Question is, who is going to enforce the US to actually return that money back to China in the event that they call in the t-bonds in the effort to bankrupt the states?

 

Ok, let me help you on this.


Lets say we tell china to go to hell we wont pay our debt/t-bonds. This automatically causes a 'junk bond' status on the open exchange for all T-bills of all kinds. Now, this in turn means the dollar becomes worthless, the chain reaction continues as we see in a matter of minutes, all three main stock exchanges (US, EU, and Asia) drop all US backed bonds from the market. This in turn sends any US based company into a death spiral. The resulting crash triggers a global devaluation of the EU and YEN. This in turn sends Y-bonds and EU issued bonds into junk status.

By best calculations, the entire world economy would collapse in on itself inside of 2 days, perhaps 3, meanwhile here in the US you can not buy food, water, or pay bills because your dollar is worthless. Imagen, a big mac would cost 10-20k. You have to remember our dollar has no physical backing, that was done away with many years ago. The only thing that holds the US dollar up, is our economy and the trust the rest of the world places in us to pay our bonds and T-notes off if some are called in. That is why they are used as trade money, because they hold their value despite any swing in the market so long as the US still holds the bond rate we have now.

 

But what about the Su-47 Berkut??? What do ya have to say on that one? That's the Soviets first jet fighter to Possibly, POSSIBLY give the f-22 a run for it's money in a dogfight. Along with the Eurofighter Typhoon. And lets talk about the f-22 for a minute. So the military spends a ton of money.... literally.... A TON OF ****ING MONEY to design the f-22 to be completely invisible to radar, and a big part of that was the need for internal weapon stores.... which it has. But the minute.... the minute you put a fuel tank or extra stores (missiles, JDAM's, JSOW's aim 120's, aim 9x's, or whatever you choose, baby foxes if you like), YOU'R NOT STEALTH ANY MORE!!!! YOU JUST WASTED ALL YOUR MONEY!!! when you could have overhauled all the f-14B's and D's, and gone through and done all the updates, it would have saved ya a ton of money, and you'd have a front line fighter that would last way, WAY into the 21's century. If ya want me to scan and show ya a bunch of quotes from actuall f-14 pilots who coukd attest to the tomcat's absolute OWNAGE IN THE SKIES, I will. Gladly.

And what computer simulation are you talking about? You want proof of older equipment shootin new stuff out of the sky, look at vietnam. Mig 17's, and 19's droppin american jets out of the sky, god rest their souls. Was that a simulation? Was that war played out on a computer? Give me a break man. If your talking about the f-16's vs. the f-22's, it's on F-16.net. Look it up.

Where did you hear about the A-10 story? Specifically that part where no-one thought it would fly without it's computer systems??? THAT WAS BUILT TO TAKE MASSIVE AMMOUNTS OF DAMAGE! And most.... MOST older aircraft, the A-10 included were built with the aerodynamic principles to allow for gliding, unpowered flight. Which means, no computer systems, no power, just backup hydraulic systems.

And I'll give ya the whole, Rl and comp simulations are totally different from RL senarios. Case in point, back i think in the late 80's early 90's and Isralei F-15E Strike Eagle pilot was flying a BARCAP mission over the Gaza Strip and took a sam hit on his right wing..... long story short, The entire right wing was blown completely off to the wing root. He regained control of the jet, flipped a 180 and was able to land the jet safely. A computer said that would not be possible, but the General Dynamics engineer's who designed the Eagle's airframe designed it as a Lifting body. Which mean: The main fuselage of the aircraft generates enough lift on its own to keep the aircraft in the air, without wings, as long as thrust is in the equation. just like the space shuttle. The f-15 story is a real world senario, and I'm pretty sure that things like the space shuttle exists and operates IRL as well.

it's funny that you capatalized FEMALE as well. To me that means you feel that a FEMALE couldn't pull off something like that. Did you know A-10 training covers controling the jet when a complete system failure occours? The f-16 and f-15 training program covers this as well. The only aircraft that i'm not sure you can do this in is the F-14 B and D models. the reason being is the wing sweep programs are controlled by computer in the B and D models, when in the f-14A, the pilot could manually control the wing sweep via a control **** to the left and below the throttle quadrant on the left side of the cockpit. But there may be a hydraulic system in the f-14B & D when, upon recognizing a total computer failure, the wing sweep full out to give the pilot maximum control of the aircraft via backup hyd. systems.

I work on flight sims, and the sims we develop are some of the most accurate ever released as far as flight models and avionics. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE F-16 And all of our data we put into our sims come from real world flight data, as well as input from actual USAF, USN, USMC, RAF, RNoAF and other countries pilots.

I had "face" written down below, but i figured it would hurt your feelings. So I'm just gonna end this with a....

faildozer.


And another thing.... if you knew me, and you obviously don't, you'd know what the whole "face" word means. It's not that i'm immature, it's that even in an arguement/debate, i can still maintain my sence of humor. So shut up. (<---- that was also my sort of humor, just to clairify for ya)

jesus christ, if I didn't already know what ya drive i'd say you were an evo owner.

 

yup, gold standard was a great thing... oh well, so much for that.

i dont think your senario will work though, cause i feel what i suggested will happen, which is we will just print more money to make it work... the dollar would be worth less, but not worthless

 

"I think, that the best thing we can do, and such...is purchase and support the land of Polish by eating their hot dogs and supporting their ecology in order to win this war on domestic oil"

 

haha isn't that the chick that said, 'USA AMericans don't have maps so USA americans wouldn't know eher africa is?" (i'm pretty sure that's a direct quote.... question mark and all) So really makes stupid girls around the bay area look really, really smart

 

lol, well i guess you can say it makes many people in the bay area look many ways...*awkward*

 

again that brings up a problem, we would have to print so much money (we are talking trillions here), it would devalue the dollar too far. Once again we would see a junk bond status issued, and the whole chain reaction starts.

oh, and I agree with you 1M%, we should have never switched off the gold standard.

 

Here's my take on the Russian arms sales. Yes they have a right to try and make money albeit by selling death, but they still have the right. What does this mean to the US. When more small wars break out americans will be killed by Russian weapons...possibly weapons from this very sale. Can we do much about it right now ...no.

The world is a cruel place filled with hateful spiteful people who right now have us the US in their crosshairs because of our power and luxurious living standards.

I will say we don't have to worry about any country taking the US over....

Know why...not because were powerful, rich, or have such a vast military...no.

It's because we're wreckless and ****ing nuts and every other country in the world knows it.

This country would destroy the whole planet before being taken over.

Anytime aggressive action is taken against this country on our soil we strike back 10 fold. The Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor..what do we do..we flatten two civilian cities and take over Japan, Germany and establish Israel.

The Japanese bomb one military base and we lose our ****. To hell with the rules of engagement ...to hell with military targets just hit everything...anything. It's the way this country thinks. Our military might is only surpassed by our aggression. We care about the rules until someone ****s with us on our turf then its no holds barred. Now that nuclear strike was done by an administration that would be considered reserved by today's standards.

So let's see have we changed. Terrorists take down the world trade center (I'm still not over that BTW) and what do we do. Take over another country. Hmmm.

We are wreckless and that's what keeps us where we are. Not our power or weapons, but our mentality.

No country would dare invade the US. They know what were capable of. Merciless death! They know even if they win they lose and they lose it all.

Now is this good, bad..who knows. It is what it is. But when you have people or countries who's only fear is a bigger gun and the willingness to use it against them no one can argue the effectiveness.

Now this is just my opinion so feel free to disagree. I'm not looking to prove anything it's just my take on things.

 

Its sad to see someone post like you just did subysal. You clearly do not understand what went on in WWII, or why we had to use the bomb on japan. I would hope at some point you go back to school and get yourself a bit more education on exactly why and what happed.

 

our military to tend to bomb the **** out countries that **** with us. which is every effective but on the other hand innocent peolple get killed.

 

Um.... no. it's sad to see when someone posts their own opinion, like subysal did, and have someone like you slam him for it. Must be a McCain fanboi.

So, let's take a look at what subysal said and really look at the context:

Correct. there's not a whole lot we can do about small arms and non-nuclear arms. Perfect example is the movie "god of war", granted it's a hollywood creation, but that's a perfect look at the life of an arms dealer. And as long as there are countries with stockpiles of weapons to make war, there's gonna be arms dealers. Now as far a nuclear weapons are concerned, that's why we have the UN. To keep a close eye on who has the nukes, how many they have, and how many they are breaking down and getting rid of.

Correct on a few points. We as a country take alot of things for granted. And they way we live pisses alot of our enemies off. We have it soooooooo easy here compared to the midddle east, and people hate, HATE TO SEE OTHER PEOPLE DOING BETTER THEN THEMSELVES. EVERYONE DOES IT! And when religion is added into the equation, it becomes even worse and turns up the temp in the pressure cooker.

about being invaded, unless the invaders want to take on canada as well.... um, yea, we don't have to worry about it. You really don't want to mess with the Canadian airforce, their F-18 pilots are probably the best in the world, tied with the swiss. But Canada wouldn't stanbd for a russian, or middle-eastern, or chinese army invading the US. It's not good for their security, and their economy..... not good for the world economy either.

Now this country has acted wreckless, and stupid. But that's only been when certian people are in the whitehouse. FDR not included, but truman, and the latest bush definately.

The A-Bomb was dropped because of one simple fact. It would have cost hundreds of thousands of american lives to invade Japan's Main Island then to drop 2 bombs and force them to surrender. Was it the right thing to do to drop them over civilian targets? Hell no..... and we really havent appologized for it when ya think about it. I mean REALLY APPOLOGIZED. Basically just a " Hey look, we're sorry"......wow. And just to say this so overbear doesn't get pissed..... we didn't take over Japan, they surrendered.

True, but that only applies to the people running the country and the fact that we as a country are weak minded. meaning, our leader can come out and say "THAT LITTLE COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST IS A DANGER TO AMERICA. AND WE NEED TO TAKE THEM OUT BEFORE THEY TAKE US OUT, WITH WEAPONS WE CAN'T FIND, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THEM."

So it's not "WE'RE" wreckless, but "OUR" leaders are. And "WE'RE" weak.

I'm glad ya put this down at the end of your post. Some of your ideas were good ones, some have flaws, but they are your ideas and your entitled to them. And i'm not gonna call you stupid, or tell ya you need to go back to school. Good post bro.

 

QFT

 

Good post too !

 

"Is it time to truly worry about Russia?"

no, Russia is weak as hell. U.S. would squash them.