SOA is watching us...
What if the way they would fix the WRX tranny problem is to make it so you can only use the first 3 gears? You can still reach 80 (at redline).
The huge deal is that you paid for the other 2 gears. And I paid for 300bhp, not 275.
The huge deal is that you paid for the other 2 gears. And I paid for 300bhp, not 275.
Originally posted by joltdudeuc
I mean why in the world would they get sued? They are doing what they need to to fix the problem. At least they are going to fix it.
I dunno, i don't see it as a huge deal...
-Gagan
I mean why in the world would they get sued? They are doing what they need to to fix the problem. At least they are going to fix it.
I dunno, i don't see it as a huge deal...
-Gagan
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I think it is a big deal to STi owners. They paid for a 300hp car!!! It is unacceptable for owners to know that their car has to be detuned to run safely! again.. like someone has already said, its false advertisement! A lawsuit will be followed if this ECU-reflash thing is true... Seriously, 25hp makes a lot of difference! I wouldn't pay for a car that I will have to bring back for detune.. I could have gone w/ the EVO instead!
I don't think it would be 25 flywheel HP. But lets see what happens...
I mean, what do STi owners want to do to fix this pinging problem? would you like a refund?
<i'm not being sarcastic or anything...>
-Gagan
I mean, what do STi owners want to do to fix this pinging problem? would you like a refund?
<i'm not being sarcastic or anything...>
-Gagan
Originally posted by hatchy
What if the way they would fix the WRX tranny problem is to make it so you can only use the first 3 gears? You can still reach 80 (at redline).
The huge deal is that you paid for the other 2 gears. And I paid for 300bhp, not 275.
What if the way they would fix the WRX tranny problem is to make it so you can only use the first 3 gears? You can still reach 80 (at redline).
The huge deal is that you paid for the other 2 gears. And I paid for 300bhp, not 275.
And don't drive no stinking rex
-Gagan
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Originally posted by HongKongBeef
so next year the 2.0 lieter is coming back to the STi?
so next year the 2.0 lieter is coming back to the STi?
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Originally posted by 02BlackWRX
they are jus saying that b/c they are jealous that the lesser power EVO keeps up with the higher power STi..
they are jus saying that b/c they are jealous that the lesser power EVO keeps up with the higher power STi..
...and if you guys are going to be mad at someone make it oil companies and the state gov'ts their the ones denying us the high octane fuels.
Hey, just a thought am I the only one that noticed that octane ratings drop from east to west. I grew up in NY and it was easy to get Sunoco 96, now I live in CO and have to hunt down 93, and I hear in Cali anything higher then 91 can only be found at a racetrack. Ok nuff said this is getting longwinded I need to cut down on the caffeine
Later
Last edited by SubySal; Aug 9, 2003 at 05:20 PM.
Originally posted by SubySal
That's not entirely accurate. The EVO is slower in the 0-60 times and the quarter mile times according to Car & Driver and SCC. It even had a better road course lap time in SCC, but didn't handle the road course as gracefully according to them.The editors said the reason they liked the EVO better was because it handled more predictably at the limits. Big Deal. How many people can take these cars to their limits. I think they should take other things into consideration like maintainence. That EVO is a hard car to work on. Most of us like to do our own wrenching and I've got to say that the flat four has got to be one of the easiest engines to work on that I've ever come across. I call it affectionately my level 1 snap together car and I like modifying it as much as driving it. Anyway getting back to it, if you ask me there are two main reasons the editors feel this way. One thing is the front limited slip diff can cause some unpredictable steering especially on the street. I would actually prefer an open diff myself for street driving or even better an adjustable front diff, but that would be costly. Second when Subaru designed the STI it's primary function was to be fast on everything except the street as there were very few tarmac rallies in the early 90's. They really shine in WRC rallies that run on gravel, snow or mud covered roads, but tend to fall a little short on tarmac. That doesn't matter to me though my favorite thing about them is there superior engineering especially the powertrain it's so old school, longitudinal drivelines are the bomb.
...and if you guys are going to be mad at someone make it oil companies and the state gov'ts their the ones denying us the high octane fuels.
Hey, just a thought am I the only one that noticed that octane ratings drop from east to west. I grew up in NY and it was easy to get Sunoco 96, now I live in CO and have to hunt down 93, and I hear in Cali anything higher then 91 can only be found at a racetrack. Ok nuff said this is getting longwinded I need to cut down on the caffeine
Later
That's not entirely accurate. The EVO is slower in the 0-60 times and the quarter mile times according to Car & Driver and SCC. It even had a better road course lap time in SCC, but didn't handle the road course as gracefully according to them.The editors said the reason they liked the EVO better was because it handled more predictably at the limits. Big Deal. How many people can take these cars to their limits. I think they should take other things into consideration like maintainence. That EVO is a hard car to work on. Most of us like to do our own wrenching and I've got to say that the flat four has got to be one of the easiest engines to work on that I've ever come across. I call it affectionately my level 1 snap together car and I like modifying it as much as driving it. Anyway getting back to it, if you ask me there are two main reasons the editors feel this way. One thing is the front limited slip diff can cause some unpredictable steering especially on the street. I would actually prefer an open diff myself for street driving or even better an adjustable front diff, but that would be costly. Second when Subaru designed the STI it's primary function was to be fast on everything except the street as there were very few tarmac rallies in the early 90's. They really shine in WRC rallies that run on gravel, snow or mud covered roads, but tend to fall a little short on tarmac. That doesn't matter to me though my favorite thing about them is there superior engineering especially the powertrain it's so old school, longitudinal drivelines are the bomb.
...and if you guys are going to be mad at someone make it oil companies and the state gov'ts their the ones denying us the high octane fuels.
Hey, just a thought am I the only one that noticed that octane ratings drop from east to west. I grew up in NY and it was easy to get Sunoco 96, now I live in CO and have to hunt down 93, and I hear in Cali anything higher then 91 can only be found at a racetrack. Ok nuff said this is getting longwinded I need to cut down on the caffeine
Later
You're right... we should upset with the root of the cause.
-Gagan
Originally posted by joltdudeuc
I mean why in the world would they get sued? They are doing what they need to to fix the problem. At least they are going to fix it.
I dunno, i don't see it as a huge deal...
-Gagan
I mean why in the world would they get sued? They are doing what they need to to fix the problem. At least they are going to fix it.
I dunno, i don't see it as a huge deal...
-Gagan
This is a HUGE deal! The principle of truth in advertising is very important to most consumers, and there are no ends to the precendent already pointed out in this thread to what will happen if it seems like SOA is pulling a classic bait-and-switch.
Look at it this way. If Subaru offered you a 6MT upgrade for the $2000, and then turned around 3 months later saying "6th gear grinds, bring it in and we'll weld a plate onto the shifter gate over the 6th gear slot," how would you feel? After all, they did what was needed to solve the problem right? As for you spending $2k expecting to get a 6 speed transmission, too bad!
This isn't just a 91 octaone issue, as from what I understanding the pinging happens on 93/94 as well (I believe). There's no problem saying "300HP!*" with fine print at the bottom stating "*on 100octane race gas," but if you're going to do that, your 100oct numbers better add up, even after a reflash
Last edited by Kenn; Aug 9, 2003 at 06:59 PM.
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not that i think you are lying i have heard they are still working on a reflash for ca.people out of state have noticed no horsepower loss from there reflash.and why cant you tell us who your source is what do you have to lose?i paid for 300HP!and 300TQ when its all said and done it still better be 300 or SOA will have all sorts of trouble from people in CA.i am sure they are smart enough to fix it with no hp or tq loss
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Originally posted by brucelee
yeah, 1 octane point isn't going to lower hp by 25... they have really good engineers who can work this out without any issues.
yeah, 1 octane point isn't going to lower hp by 25... they have really good engineers who can work this out without any issues.