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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Japsican
It should Go. If you look back at the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, the original writer did not have the words "under God" in the pledge. These words were added in 1954 by congress. So it's a fairly new addition to the pledge.
That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard. So if it was 1854 then that's ok? The mention of God does not refer to any specific religion.

If you want to take that out, then you might as well do away with the notion of equality under God. How do you like them apples?
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wrexxy
Sometimes tradition is good and should be kept. JMO
Someone took the bait.

It hasn't always been tradition to have "under God" in the Pledge of Allegance. It was added in 1954 as a means of advancing religion at a time when the nation was engaged in a battle against the doctrines of atheistic communism. Hardly a tradition. Furthermore, amply demonstrating that the purpose of the act was not to advance patriotism (a legitimate secular goal), but rather to promote religion. Think about that for a minute.

I agree with you wrexxy... I just wanted to throw out that tidbit of information to anyone that thought it cannot happen today. It has already happened in 1954 so it can happen again.

Let me explain myself on why I think it should be kept in the Pledge of Allegance. It would be a never ending battle that would eventually lead to Michael Newdow (and other egotistical radicals) demanding "God" be taken out of the National Motto, Declaration of Independence, U.S. currency etc.

It just doesn't make sense to me that an Atheist gets get's all bent out of shape over something he doesn't believe to exist. Does the word "God" force atheists to believe? Nope. Does the Pledge of Allegiance force an atheist to believe? No. Let's not forget what a definition Atheist is in this case: [n] someone who denies the existence of god. That said, why are you so offended by something that doesn't exist in your mind?
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:50 PM
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I call BS on that, it was not in the original Pledge, thats one more myth brought to you by the new religious right.
pete i always said you were the coolest.

i agree 100%
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:51 PM
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I can Care less I wont pledge that flag untill we get another president like clinton up in here! Who needs a BJ? ME! thas who!
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:51 PM
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Allegience to a flag is a stupid idea in itself.

Allegience to a principle or to a Constitution makes a lot more sense, but when a flag comes to symbolize a criminal administration, one has to carefully consider the implications of blind loyalty.

So there.

now, where is that unsubscribe link.....?
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:52 PM
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First off its not an excuse...Im stating facts....It was not in the original pledge...And sure go ahead and take that out as well....
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:54 PM
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I'm curious on the ages of all who are voting. Is it that the younger guys think it should stay and the older want it out? (except for daredevil)

i'm old (36) and i say NO. keep it out of the pledge!

damn right wing nut ballz

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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bushido
I'm curious on the ages of all who are voting. Is it that the younger guys think it should stay and the older want it out? (except for daredevil)

i'm old and i say NO. keep it out of the pledge!

damn right wing nut ballz
I'm 22 and I want it out.

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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty

It just doesn't make sense to me that an Atheist gets get's all bent out of shape over something he doesn't believe to exist. Does the word "God" force atheists to believe? Nope. Does the Pledge of Allegiance force an atheist to believe? No. Let's not forget what a definition Atheist is in this case: [n] someone who denies the existence of god. That said, why are you so offended by something that doesn't exist in your mind?
Salty actually posts something I pretty much agree with for a change!

Don't we all have better things to spend our short lives trying to do?
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Someone took the bait.

It hasn't always been tradition to have "under God" in the Pledge of Allegance. It was added in 1954 as a means of advancing religion at a time when the nation was engaged in a battle against the doctrines of atheistic communism. Hardly a tradition. Furthermore, amply demonstrating that the purpose of the act was not to advance patriotism (a legitimate secular goal), but rather to promote religion. Think about that for a minute.

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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 03:59 PM
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As a kid I always felt unfomfortable having to say it in class.

Please remove it.

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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard. So if it was 1854 then that's ok? The mention of God does not refer to any specific religion.

If you want to take that out, then you might as well do away with the notion of equality under God. How do you like them apples?

it doesnt need to mention any one religion, god is and allways has been classicaly tied to christian and catholic based views and religions.

Dont see the pledge saying allah, buddah, or what have you?
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by psoper
Allegience to a flag is a stupid idea in itself.

Allegience to a principle or to a Constitution makes a lot more sense, but when a flag comes to symbolize a criminal administration, one has to carefully consider the implications of blind loyalty.

So there.

now, where is that unsubscribe link.....?
You are a complete moron.

I won't even waste typing a legitimate response knowing your tunnel vision starts and stops at the Bush administration.
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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Ah well thank you, didnt know that. In that case I guess removing it isnt a big deal
Old Jun 16, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by psoper
Allegience to a flag is a stupid idea in itself.

Allegience to a principle or to a Constitution makes a lot more sense, but when a flag comes to symbolize a criminal administration, one has to carefully consider the implications of blind loyalty.

So there.

now, where is that unsubscribe link.....?

the flag symbolizes a helluva alot more then the current administration man, if you see it as the flag symbolizing this administration your an idiot, it symbolizes so much more then any one administration, it symbolizes our IDEALS AS A DEMOCRATIC NATION.

sorry you feel that way, i dont agree with our current administration but i dont see the l*** as representing that.



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