View Poll Results: Should "under god" be removed from the pledge? Yes or no
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Should "under god" stay or go in the pledge?
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Originally Posted by Japsican
It should Go. If you look back at the history of the Pledge of Allegiance, the original writer did not have the words "under God" in the pledge. These words were added in 1954 by congress. So it's a fairly new addition to the pledge.
If you want to take that out, then you might as well do away with the notion of equality under God. How do you like them apples?
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Originally Posted by wrexxy
Sometimes tradition is good and should be kept. JMO

It hasn't always been tradition to have "under God" in the Pledge of Allegance. It was added in 1954 as a means of advancing religion at a time when the nation was engaged in a battle against the doctrines of atheistic communism. Hardly a tradition. Furthermore, amply demonstrating that the purpose of the act was not to advance patriotism (a legitimate secular goal), but rather to promote religion. Think about that for a minute.
I agree with you wrexxy... I just wanted to throw out that tidbit of information to anyone that thought it cannot happen today. It has already happened in 1954 so it can happen again.
Let me explain myself on why I think it should be kept in the Pledge of Allegance. It would be a never ending battle that would eventually lead to Michael Newdow (and other egotistical radicals) demanding "God" be taken out of the National Motto, Declaration of Independence, U.S. currency etc.
It just doesn't make sense to me that an Atheist gets get's all bent out of shape over something he doesn't believe to exist. Does the word "God" force atheists to believe? Nope. Does the Pledge of Allegiance force an atheist to believe? No. Let's not forget what a definition Atheist is in this case: [n] someone who denies the existence of god. That said, why are you so offended by something that doesn't exist in your mind?
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Originally Posted by psoper
I call BS on that, it was not in the original Pledge, thats one more myth brought to you by the new religious right.
i agree 100%
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Allegience to a flag is a stupid idea in itself.
Allegience to a principle or to a Constitution makes a lot more sense, but when a flag comes to symbolize a criminal administration, one has to carefully consider the implications of blind loyalty.
So there.
now, where is that unsubscribe link.....?
Allegience to a principle or to a Constitution makes a lot more sense, but when a flag comes to symbolize a criminal administration, one has to carefully consider the implications of blind loyalty.
So there.
now, where is that unsubscribe link.....?
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I'm curious on the ages of all who are voting. Is it that the younger guys think it should stay and the older want it out? (except for daredevil)
i'm old (36) and i say NO. keep it out of the pledge!
damn right wing nut ballz
i'm old (36) and i say NO. keep it out of the pledge!
damn right wing nut ballz
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Originally Posted by bushido
I'm curious on the ages of all who are voting. Is it that the younger guys think it should stay and the older want it out? (except for daredevil)
i'm old and i say NO. keep it out of the pledge!
damn right wing nut ballz
i'm old and i say NO. keep it out of the pledge!
damn right wing nut ballz
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Originally Posted by Salty
It just doesn't make sense to me that an Atheist gets get's all bent out of shape over something he doesn't believe to exist. Does the word "God" force atheists to believe? Nope. Does the Pledge of Allegiance force an atheist to believe? No. Let's not forget what a definition Atheist is in this case: [n] someone who denies the existence of god. That said, why are you so offended by something that doesn't exist in your mind?
Don't we all have better things to spend our short lives trying to do?
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Originally Posted by Salty
Someone took the bait. 
It hasn't always been tradition to have "under God" in the Pledge of Allegance. It was added in 1954 as a means of advancing religion at a time when the nation was engaged in a battle against the doctrines of atheistic communism. Hardly a tradition. Furthermore, amply demonstrating that the purpose of the act was not to advance patriotism (a legitimate secular goal), but rather to promote religion. Think about that for a minute.
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It hasn't always been tradition to have "under God" in the Pledge of Allegance. It was added in 1954 as a means of advancing religion at a time when the nation was engaged in a battle against the doctrines of atheistic communism. Hardly a tradition. Furthermore, amply demonstrating that the purpose of the act was not to advance patriotism (a legitimate secular goal), but rather to promote religion. Think about that for a minute.
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard. So if it was 1854 then that's ok? The mention of God does not refer to any specific religion.
If you want to take that out, then you might as well do away with the notion of equality under God. How do you like them apples?
If you want to take that out, then you might as well do away with the notion of equality under God. How do you like them apples?
it doesnt need to mention any one religion, god is and allways has been classicaly tied to christian and catholic based views and religions.
Dont see the pledge saying allah, buddah, or what have you?
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Originally Posted by psoper
Allegience to a flag is a stupid idea in itself.
Allegience to a principle or to a Constitution makes a lot more sense, but when a flag comes to symbolize a criminal administration, one has to carefully consider the implications of blind loyalty.
So there.
now, where is that unsubscribe link.....?
Allegience to a principle or to a Constitution makes a lot more sense, but when a flag comes to symbolize a criminal administration, one has to carefully consider the implications of blind loyalty.
So there.
now, where is that unsubscribe link.....?
I won't even waste typing a legitimate response knowing your tunnel vision starts and stops at the Bush administration.
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Originally Posted by psoper
Allegience to a flag is a stupid idea in itself.
Allegience to a principle or to a Constitution makes a lot more sense, but when a flag comes to symbolize a criminal administration, one has to carefully consider the implications of blind loyalty.
So there.
now, where is that unsubscribe link.....?
Allegience to a principle or to a Constitution makes a lot more sense, but when a flag comes to symbolize a criminal administration, one has to carefully consider the implications of blind loyalty.
So there.
now, where is that unsubscribe link.....?
the flag symbolizes a helluva alot more then the current administration man, if you see it as the flag symbolizing this administration your an idiot, it symbolizes so much more then any one administration, it symbolizes our IDEALS AS A DEMOCRATIC NATION.
sorry you feel that way, i dont agree with our current administration but i dont see the l*** as representing that.

