Sad day today, Michael Vick released from prison after 19 months today.

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Old May 20, 2009 | 11:17 PM
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He paid his dues, hopefully he's changed and can go back to doing what he does well. Football.
Old May 20, 2009 | 11:30 PM
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Old May 20, 2009 | 11:38 PM
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I really disagree with all the people who said he should get more time. The main reason he went to jail was because he is famous and he was made an example of. When some guy speeds up to run over a cat, dog, squirrel or whatever nothing happens to them even if it is someones pet and someone sees it happen. I don't see anyone saying these people should get 20 years for that. Yet people think someone who fights dogs should get 20 years. Should the guy who cut off a rabbit's ears and the people who run around killing black cats on Halloween get 20 years even though they typical only get probation or less than a year. If you want people to do 20 years or whatever for killing dogs then anyone who kills any non-game animal should too. You can't say a dog is higher than any other animal since they are animals they all the same, the fact that people have them as pets does not make them any better. And no I'm not a PETA person or anything I just find it ridiculous that people get so angry because it was dogs but if it was roosters or some other animal it would be such a big deal. So let the insults begin!
Old May 21, 2009 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Calsoldier


You would make a man serve 20 years in jail for participating in dog fighting? You might as well sentence him to death since you're completely taking away/destroying his life.
I have a real soft spot for dogs and I treat them as if they were human. My dogs are my family and nothing less. When people kill dogs they might as well be killing people in my eyes.

I may be a little bias here, but those are my opinions...

You also make it seem like he "only made some dogs fight". Um, no... He tortured, disfigured, killed, and starved dogs. Who knows how many dogs he's killed and permanently harmed both mentally and physically. He basically did everything you can to a dog... For someone to enjoy something like that really says something about their minds. Normal people don't enjoy watching animals suffer... Killers, sociopaths, and psychopaths enjoy harming and watching animals suffer. He shouldn't be allowed to play sports amongst humans, he doesn't deserve anything positive after what he did.

So why does he deserve life? What makes him worthy of living? In my eyes, NOTHING. Perhaps your views are different, and I can respect you difference of opinion, however mine is mine and I stand by it. I'm sure many others stand by my side.
Old May 21, 2009 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ruehl
I really disagree with all the people who said he should get more time. The main reason he went to jail was because he is famous and he was made an example of. When some guy speeds up to run over a cat, dog, squirrel or whatever nothing happens to them even if it is someones pet and someone sees it happen. I don't see anyone saying these people should get 20 years for that. Yet people think someone who fights dogs should get 20 years. Should the guy who cut off a rabbit's ears and the people who run around killing black cats on Halloween get 20 years even though they typical only get probation or less than a year. If you want people to do 20 years or whatever for killing dogs then anyone who kills any non-game animal should too. You can't say a dog is higher than any other animal since they are animals they all the same, the fact that people have them as pets does not make them any better. And no I'm not a PETA person or anything I just find it ridiculous that people get so angry because it was dogs but if it was roosters or some other animal it would be such a big deal. So let the insults begin!
Maybe people would stop doing it if they got 20 years
Old May 21, 2009 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by brucelee
I have a real soft spot for dogs and I treat them as if they were human. My dogs are my family and nothing less. When people kill dogs they might as well be killing people in my eyes.

I may be a little bias here, but those are my opinions...
Personally, if I saw someone doing some of that stuff to my dog, I'd shoot them until they are DEAD. Simple - no questions, no hesitation whatsoever.

It would simply be doing the world a favor. Let's check and see, how many serial killers (think Jeffrey Dahlmer, etc.) started out killing pets and other animals? I'd bet most, if not all of them. http://thebosun.wordpress.com/2006/0...-animal-abuse/ for reference.
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Originally Posted by ruehl
I really disagree with all the people who said he should get more time. The main reason he went to jail was because he is famous and he was made an example of. When some guy speeds up to run over a cat, dog, squirrel or whatever nothing happens to them even if it is someones pet and someone sees it happen. I don't see anyone saying these people should get 20 years for that. Yet people think someone who fights dogs should get 20 years. Should the guy who cut off a rabbit's ears and the people who run around killing black cats on Halloween get 20 years even though they typical only get probation or less than a year. If you want people to do 20 years or whatever for killing dogs then anyone who kills any non-game animal should too. You can't say a dog is higher than any other animal since they are animals they all the same, the fact that people have them as pets does not make them any better. And no I'm not a PETA person or anything I just find it ridiculous that people get so angry because it was dogs but if it was roosters or some other animal it would be such a big deal. So let the insults begin!
What the hell are you talking about? People get BIGGER terms for intentionaly killing dogs all the time!!

Ever heard of that big celebrity football player Andrew Burnett?? No? because hes not, hes just some loser from San Jose that got pissed at a woman and traffic and grabbed her dog out of her car and threw it into traffic. Since he wasnt a celebrity they went lighter on him right?
WRONG 3 YEARS
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/07/...dog/index.html

think is just dogs? Heres a guy who pleaded down to only 18months for a cat
http://shadmia.com/2008/08/30/man-ki...front-of-kids/

I guess your a big Vic fan or just dont mind animal cruelty. But what vic did was more than just fight these dogs. He was seen choking and killing one with his bare hands on purpose. If anything Vic got off easy, his crime was way worse than one guy throwing one dog into traffic in a moment of road rage. Vics just a total peice of crap/
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Originally Posted by Krinkov
What the hell are you talking about? People get BIGGER terms for intentionaly killing dogs all the time!!

Ever heard of that big celebrity football player Andrew Burnett?? No? because hes not, hes just some loser from San Jose that got pissed at a woman and traffic and grabbed her dog out of her car and threw it into traffic. Since he wasnt a celebrity they went lighter on him right?
WRONG 3 YEARS
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/07/...dog/index.html

think is just dogs? Heres a guy who pleaded down to only 18months for a cat
http://shadmia.com/2008/08/30/man-ki...front-of-kids/

I guess your a big Vic fan or just dont mind animal cruelty. But what vic did was more than just fight these dogs. He was seen choking and killing one with his bare hands on purpose. If anything Vic got off easy, his crime was way worse than one guy throwing one dog into traffic in a moment of road rage. Vics just a total peice of crap/
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Oh, well they didn't say that on ESPN
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I do remember the Burnett incident
Old May 21, 2009 | 01:19 AM
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One I'm not a Vic fan never was and never will be. And I was not saying animal crusty is ok in anyway i was saying people get all enraged when an animal that is a pet is killed but when others are its no big deal.

Of the two examples one is from 2001 and the other is a year ago and you can't say that more often than not people who are cruel to animals ever go to jail. And both of your cases were all over the news due to their circumstance so of course the justice system is going to crack down hard.

I for one can think of numerous occasions when people have killed animals and nothing has happened or they merely got probation. The rabbit ear case i brought up happened when i was 16 and i remember the guy getting probation for it. Ive personally seen two of my cats killed by people who speed up to hit them, I know they speed up since when a huge truck floors it you can hear it. Once a guy speed up in his honda to hit my cat and he hit it going so fast he had to pull over and he noticed a huge dent in his car. He then got pissed and the cops were called and when I told them what happened they said it was an accident and it wasn't on purpose.... Given the speed limit was 25 and when you hit a cat and it makes a large dent there is no way you are going 25.

My main point, like said earlier is, people make a huge fess when its a dog or horse but when its some wild animal crossing a streak and someone speeds up to hit it for "points" the majority of the time nothing happens.

Also, its a joke when animal cruelty, of any kind, is a misdemeanor, which is is in 17 states.
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Love to see Vicks reaction if he woke up in jail and saw this. Yes its a real dog.

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I like playing with dogs as much as the next person. I'm not a fan of Vick's, except for maybe he was fun to play with in Madden. I'm ok with him going to jail for doing something illegal, but I do disagree with the OP and everyone else that think vick should get more/die/get put in a ring and be forced to fight(omgsoundslikeboxing, so cruel).

In the end, dogs are like cars. We got them cuz they make us happy. If vick bought 2 tigers and put them in a ring to watch them fight, I don't think you'd be screaming animal rights. I would probly pay money also to watch a ringside tiger fight. You know that sounds awesome.
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I can't stand the fact that we have child molesters, drug dealers, con-artists etc... running free yet the government spent millions putting a dog-fighter behind bars. I'm not saying I don't feel for the dogs and hate what he did but our justice system is in shambles. We have murders getting out in under 10 years with parole. He got scapegoated, I think he sucks at life but he did get it rough in comparison to what others have recieved for far more serious crimes.
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^^my thoughts exactly.
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Originally Posted by brucelee
I have a real soft spot for dogs and I treat them as if they were human. My dogs are my family and nothing less. When people kill dogs they might as well be killing people in my eyes.

I may be a little bias here, but those are my opinions...

You also make it seem like he "only made some dogs fight". Um, no... He tortured, disfigured, killed, and starved dogs. Who knows how many dogs he's killed and permanently harmed both mentally and physically. He basically did everything you can to a dog... For someone to enjoy something like that really says something about their minds. Normal people don't enjoy watching animals suffer... Killers, sociopaths, and psychopaths enjoy harming and watching animals suffer. He shouldn't be allowed to play sports amongst humans, he doesn't deserve anything positive after what he did.

So why does he deserve life? What makes him worthy of living? In my eyes, NOTHING. Perhaps your views are different, and I can respect you difference of opinion, however mine is mine and I stand by it. I'm sure many others stand by my side.
It is yet to be determined if he will ever play in the NFL again, but I would be willing to bet that there are TONS of people in the NFL that share your same sentiments. I would definitely not be surprised to see people taking dirty hits and doing otherwise "shady" things while on the field against Vick. Heck, he needs to win over his teammates votes of confidence as well or you may see things like missed assignments or people just opening up lanes directly to him (like was seen in movies like The Longest Yard). Then you also have to think if the refs would call the plays or not. So I really would think that even if his punishment of prison time and fines and time away from the game are completed and served out, his physical punishment has still yet to begin.



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