I just want Bush to explain to the American people why the U.S. Govt. allowed 9/11 to happen.......It reminds me of a book I read long ago titled "1984" by George Orwell.........

BADWRX, you know that back in the 'Nam era, we had SAMs all around the Capital and around most major cities.......to prevent that kind of isht....

In Europe they don't allow jetliners to fly over major cities.......

And why didn't we take Saddam out the first time......as a business owner it infuriates me that the Govt. would put the economy on the firing line.......

WTF........Arrrrgh!!!!!

 

Oh my gosh, that is pretty sorry. The institutions of higher learning here in the bay are requiring students to attend. Just pathetic.

Wait until the news media finds out about this. You see how Fox is tearing apart that Oakland School that was drilling anti-war into the young minds of it's students.

Fox News seems to be the only reliable news source.

 

well said Frank. I might not agree to all things that our government decide to do. But I still think this is the best country to be in. It's our duty as a citizen of the U.S.

Leo

 

This war will not stop WMD and it will not stop terrorism. No war will and no violence will stop violence. After a score millenia of humanity grouping together and killing eachother in the lying name of other-directed interest, you'd think they would have figured it out by now.

War is never the answer. I know the arguments, "But what if Hitler hand't been stopped". This is where I could explain but we'd come to the place where we disagree so much that you couldn't possibly understand how I could feel that war is not the answer. Suffice it to say, you asked for opinions

jason

 

Sorry Andy, but no american news source shoudl ever be trusted...

So long as it's ownded by a corportation, i'm going to BBC, DW, other countries for my world news.

And if anti-american is the truth, i'm glad i'm learning how ****ed up the government of this counrty is.

This is not against the soldiers, and the people of our military. This is against those **** ****s in washington.

-Gagan

 

I would really like to hear your answer to the "what if Hitler hadn't ben stopped" or "what if we allowed the WTC to be destroyed without retaliation" arguments.

 

I know, i'm not Jason...


Hitler: Like i stated earlier, i would fight and die in WW2. Hitler was an agressive dictator, and he was wiping out an ethnicity by the hundreds of thousands every month. We were not a super power, there was no super power DURING that war, or before it.

After the bombs were dropped over Japan, and they surrendered, we emerged as the only country with a stable enough economy to recover quickly, and from there on out, our commerce and production BOOMED. Everyone else in the world suffered. We pumped money into Japan, the right thing to do, as we didn't need another hitler... or a people against us for us just turning our backs after we bombed them to ****.

WTC: There was no reason for this event, directly. But an event like this was a long time coming. Sometime or another, someone who was pissed off because our ****ed up foreign policy in the middle east, this someone was going to pull something off that was big. This was it. It's very sad, and unforunate that so many died that day. However, had we been more compassionate in our foreign policy, had we tried to not just make $ off these countries, maybe we wouldn't have such agression towards us. Hitler hated so many people, and so many Germans hated the Allies for the treaty of versallies. I think their hate is justified. Their slaughter of people in camps, that was wrong. They should have brought their beef here, and should have challenged those countries that they did not like. Lets talk Saddam. We helped him fight Iran, and I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE LESSER EVIL ARGUEMENT... that complete bull****. So, we helped him, we gave him $, weapons, we gave him chemical weapons and we helped him fight Iran, and WE ALSO SECRECTLY BACKED IRAN.... Now, if i was Saddam, i would feel pretty back stabbed too. So, who do i blame? The US. <now, i hate saddam and his sons... they are seriously not cool. They shouldn't be in power, i'm not saying they are good people in any way.>

So, in my crazy, unorganized rant, i hope i open some eyes...

We truly need to give the finger to other countries, and focus on national issues. We need to beff up our defense, and fall back to our borders, and areas. We need to clean up our act. We are the true agressors now. We instigate everything. In Greed, and in ego fueled arrogance, we step on others. I understand why they are upset. I do not like what they do, but i understand why.

-Gagan

 

I understand what you're saying about how we seem to meddle in every one else's affairs. IIRC we put the Taliban in control in Afghanistan, then they come back to bite us in the ***. We help Iraq in the war against Iran, then they come back to bite us in the ***. How can we convince EVERY country that we are not trying to hurt them?

I do NOT agree with the idea that we should pull out of EVERY country, discontinue all foreign monitoring, and fall back to our own borders. In fact that seems absolutely ludicrous. With the amount of Anti-American sentiment right now, we are bound to be ganged up on and see another world war. Do you want that? Or do you want to see more countries "getting along" and peace to prevail?

The solution to this problem is finding a way to appease the people of the world. To make them understand that we are not trying to make them American, or make them anything for that matter. We need to show them that all we want is for every person in the world to have an equal chance to succeed, isn't that what democracy is all about?

I realize that sounds naive and that it's idealistic, but we have to set a goal before we can aim to achieve it.

So what do you (and I don't mean just you Gagan, I mean every person who reads this) think should be our goal for the people of the world as the single most powerful and rich country in the world?

In fact, shall we just start a new thread on this?

 

With power comes responsibility, and sorry Tim, we are not out to help anyone but ourselves.

With exception to Israel... what they hell are we doing there? They aren't helping us in any way, and yet they get a whole ****load of our money.

We are a nation of greed, and the pretty much the only reason are anywhere now in the world it's cause we got business that's interested. It's the only reason we went all up into central and south america. Just because our companies want something, we setup some bogus reason and go in and take over... in the name of freedom everywhere! lets go **** over some panimanians, cause they are threatening to stop the Canal, and nooo, we can't have that, cause we'd lose money! <EVEN THOUGH IT'S THEIR ****IN CANAL...> We want sugar, sugar is booming... hey, lets take over Hawaii, and lets get in on Cuba... C&H, the corporatoin that pretty much ran both those islands for sometime. We are greedy. And don't say, oh but we're capatalist, we are jumping on opprotuniy. that's BS too, we can be capitalists, and still be good folks, and not screw over others.

Ok, so you think by pulling out, these countries are gonna get together and bomb the crap out of us... well, do you think that if we stick around, and keep doing this regime change deal, that everything going to be fine? If you keep cornering an animal, you think it's gonna stop, bow down, and see things your way? no way, they will fight harder, for they have nothing left to lose.

This is all an Ego trip too. We got Nukes, we're the ****. Russia get nukes, now they think they're the ****... now, to be the ****, you gotta have nukes.

We need to worry about N Korea... they are being agressive, they are being upfront and challenging us. Iraq is not a challenge, we can flatten that place easily if we so wish. but Korea, now, we are being nice, and delicate... WHY? cause they can actually mess us up. Iraq isn't a threat, they just got a crazy dumbass in office. and his crazy sons are right behind him.

-Gagan

 

Okay you're right that we're not out to help anyone but ourselves. I fully understand that. Don't you think it's in our best interest to at least try to remove Anti-American sentiment before it bites us in the ***? Again.

Okay, I know very little about the specifics of what's happening in the world. I don't mean to pretend that I do. All I'm saying is that we can't pull out now and leave things the way they are right now. The balance of power just seems so volatile right now. People look at what Osama did to the WTC and say "Well the USA isn't untouchable after all. We have nothing to lose, F the USA, let's do the same thing." All it took was 20 guys who believed in the same thing to crash 2 jet liners into the WTC and kill 5000 Americans. Sure there was organization involved but that was just too #@$%ing easy. I'm getting off topic, but that could have been you or me or any of our parents, brothers, or sisters in those buildings and that REALLY bothers me.

Now onto N Korea. I don't think they currently have the means of delivering a nuclear warhead to our shores at the moment. They probably will in the future. I just can't convince myself that it would be in their best interests to try to nuke us. They must realize that that would mean immediate vaporization of their entire tiny *** country.

The reason they're doing this is to gain bargaining power. Do they want to start another cold war? Perhaps. Will they ever try to nuke us? No. They just want more power. I'm not saying it makes me terribly comfortable with those retards in control of nukes, but I have faith that even if they do decide to launch one, it will not reach our shores.

Gagan, you probably know more about this than I do. Can you give a list of countries that are currently controlled by communist leaders?

 

Current Countires Claiming Communist Systems: Cuba, N. Korea, Vietnam?, China

Current Countries with True Communist Economic systems: 0

Don't worry Tim, you aren't wrong in your opinion. And you're right, it's super volatile right now. N. Korea actually does have the means to strike a west coast city. And yeah, if hey did, we'd flatten them...

but you know, that really bugs me. the whole mentality that "we're the biggest, baddest, don't **** with us" mentality. I mean, that's super arrogant. I'm not saying you're arrogant , just that it's the stance that the country takes, seems like arrogant stance.

Now, all we need, is to just corner Saddam, and have him launch some nuke at Isreal. Isreal launchs OUR nukes... China jumps in, Korea... **** hits the fan, next thing you know, it's radiation city.

This going to happen? I don't think so. With any level of common sense, you'd know that a nuke is not funny, it's not just boom, and that's it... the radiation level of todays warheads are nearly 8 times of what was dropped in 1945... we have no idea, i mean, NO ONE knows what could happen if a nuke of today was used.

Now, who are we to say another county can't have nukes? are we running the world? nope, we do not have the right to tell anyone. Now, they did sign a treaty, and they broke that treaty, and in that case, i'm all for action against north korea. They are being total *****es. But everything Saddam has, well, we gave him. Sure, Russia might have sold something to him, <who knows that they sold to other countires...> but it's just not feasable that we'd, the USA be in danger of a nuke attack by him.

I don't think we should pull back fast. You're right, it would cause chaos. But i think we need to try to really lessen our involvement.

*sigh*... war just isn't the answer... it's not going to fix anything. and fixing the problem is more important than temporary action.

-Gagan

 

N. Vietman
PRC
N. Korea
Cuba
Venenzuela (Psuedo Communist)

There are not too many left.

No, North Korea cannot hit the mainland with the Taepo Dong.

This country has WAY TOO MANY foreign interests to bring in the dogs.

Gagan, you are the coolest guy that I know, but man...those are textbook liberal rants that you are preaching. The world is not a perfect place. We can't just give everybody a big hug. That is totally the liberal mindset. The, "What did we do do **** them off" mentality.

I am very glad to see that 67% of American's support going after Sadam.

It gives me renewed faith in my country to see that the popular opinion does not coincide with the views of those wierdos that I whitnessed on the news today.

And Gagan...BBC...those people are against us. That news agency anyway. They have very anti-American views, and all of their reports are slanted.

I have to hand it to Tony Blair though. At least he backs us...like a TRUE ally should.

 

I repeat, North Korea can in NO WAY strike a west coast city.

The Illusion (Spelling?) Islands, and Honolulu is all that they can get to, and thier guidance systems are questionable. They may have better guidance now that Clinton ordered the decryption of the military GPS channel that is the most accurate.

On Missile Technology (TBM's and ICBM's) you guys have to trust me. I am a EXPERT on the subject matter. It is my business. I can't tell you alot...I value my fredom, but I can tell you that North Korea hasn't the ability to strike the American mainland.

I whitnessed the last Taepo Dong test fire...you guys have to trust me on my knowlege of the capabilities of that country.

They can strike Tokyo though...and any attack on Japan is considered an attack on the soveriegn territory of the US. That is why Japan pays over 5 billion a year to have the US troops over there.