Media Frenzy: Man Has 30,000 "Bullets"
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Media Frenzy: Man Has 30,000 "Bullets"
Man, I didn't realize that MA had worse gun laws then CA does! Just some info for gun n00bs, gun owners typically stock pile their ammo because the cost of the said ammo increases in price every day, so if you buy 10k rounds now, you'll be saving a lot of money in the long run. I also know a lot of people that buy a lot of ammo and then sell it a couple years later and make BANK in doing so. Just to get an idea, .45ACP ammo has TRIPLED in price over the past 5 years! 
So here's the lame article!
http://www.eagletribune.com/punewshh...135220825.html
So here's the lame article! http://www.eagletribune.com/punewshh...135220825.html
Police: Man said 30,000 bullets were for target practice
By Paul Tennant
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May 16, 2009 12:00 am
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HAVERHILL — Keni Garcia told police he intended to use the 30,000 bullets they found in his car and home for target practice.
That is hard to believe, the prosecutor at Garcia's arraignment said, because if he were to fire a gun for eight hours a day, it would take weeks for him to use all of it.
Garcia, who allegedly bought thousands of rounds of ammunition and had 10,000 bullets in his car when he was stopped by police Thursday, was ordered held on $500,000 cash bail yesterday.
Attorney Socrates de la Cruz of Lawrence, who represented Garcia, 32, of 12 Freeman St., at his arraignment in Haverhill District Court, said he will appeal the high bail in Superior Court.
Garcia is charged with three counts of possession of a high-capacity firearm, illegal possession of ammunition and illegal storage of a firearm. His case was continued until June 12.
Assistant District Attorney Christopher Holland asked Judge Patricia Dowling to impose $750,000 cash bail.
"He has no reason to stay here," Holland said.
The judge ordered Garcia to surrender his passport, and said that if he makes bail he is not to leave Massachusetts.
Garcia is a native of the Dominican Republic who was expected to become a U.S. citizen yesterday, but then he was arrested, authorities said.
Police arrested Garcia after he had left Interstate 495 at Exit 49 Thursday. They said they found 10,000 rounds of ammunition in his car. His two young daughters also were in the car, police said.
Holland said at Garcia's arraignment that a "joint effort" by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and state police found that Garcia had previously bought 20,000 rounds of ammunition in New Hampshire.
Garcia told police he only intended to use the bullets for target practice at a rifle range, Holland said, disputing Garcia's explanation. His common law wife, Elizabeth Reynoso, consented to a search and police found another 20,000 rounds, Holland said. They also found one .38-caliber and two 9 mm handguns, and $25,000 in cash, Holland said.
The prosecutor said all of the bullets seized from Garcia were for .38-caliber, 9 mm and .22-caliber firearms. Such ammunition is "like gold in the Dominican Republic," he said.
Holland said Reynoso told police he had "a shipping type of business" and that the $25,000 in cash must have come from Garcia cashing a business check.
"Where is the crime?" de la Cruz asked. The lawyer said Garcia had lived in New Hampshire for three years before recently moving to Haverhill.
"He bought the guns legally," de la Cruz said. "He never hid the fact that he had them."
Furthermore, de la Cruz said that when Garcia moved to Haverhill, he had a 60-day grace period to obtain a Massachusetts firearms card.
"There is no crime committed," he argued, saying there was no evidence that Garcia was shipping guns or ammunition to the Dominican Republic.
He asked the judge to allow his client "to go back to his job." He said Garcia has worked at a local bakery for three years.
Yesterday, Freeman Street residents interviewed by The Eagle-Tribune said they did not know anything about Garcia or guns and ammunition being stored at or shipped from his home.
Medline Abiles, of 43 Freeman St., who resides across the street from Garcia's house, said that in the two months she has lived in the neighborhood, she has not observed any weapons or ammunition and had no reason to be suspicious. Her sister, Carmen Reyes, who visits frequently, said she also had never noticed anything suspicious at the two-family house at 12 Freeman St.
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By Paul Tennant
ptennant@eagletribune.com
May 16, 2009 12:00 am
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HAVERHILL — Keni Garcia told police he intended to use the 30,000 bullets they found in his car and home for target practice.
That is hard to believe, the prosecutor at Garcia's arraignment said, because if he were to fire a gun for eight hours a day, it would take weeks for him to use all of it.
Garcia, who allegedly bought thousands of rounds of ammunition and had 10,000 bullets in his car when he was stopped by police Thursday, was ordered held on $500,000 cash bail yesterday.
Attorney Socrates de la Cruz of Lawrence, who represented Garcia, 32, of 12 Freeman St., at his arraignment in Haverhill District Court, said he will appeal the high bail in Superior Court.
Garcia is charged with three counts of possession of a high-capacity firearm, illegal possession of ammunition and illegal storage of a firearm. His case was continued until June 12.
Assistant District Attorney Christopher Holland asked Judge Patricia Dowling to impose $750,000 cash bail.
"He has no reason to stay here," Holland said.
The judge ordered Garcia to surrender his passport, and said that if he makes bail he is not to leave Massachusetts.
Garcia is a native of the Dominican Republic who was expected to become a U.S. citizen yesterday, but then he was arrested, authorities said.
Police arrested Garcia after he had left Interstate 495 at Exit 49 Thursday. They said they found 10,000 rounds of ammunition in his car. His two young daughters also were in the car, police said.
Holland said at Garcia's arraignment that a "joint effort" by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and state police found that Garcia had previously bought 20,000 rounds of ammunition in New Hampshire.
Garcia told police he only intended to use the bullets for target practice at a rifle range, Holland said, disputing Garcia's explanation. His common law wife, Elizabeth Reynoso, consented to a search and police found another 20,000 rounds, Holland said. They also found one .38-caliber and two 9 mm handguns, and $25,000 in cash, Holland said.
The prosecutor said all of the bullets seized from Garcia were for .38-caliber, 9 mm and .22-caliber firearms. Such ammunition is "like gold in the Dominican Republic," he said.
Holland said Reynoso told police he had "a shipping type of business" and that the $25,000 in cash must have come from Garcia cashing a business check.
"Where is the crime?" de la Cruz asked. The lawyer said Garcia had lived in New Hampshire for three years before recently moving to Haverhill.
"He bought the guns legally," de la Cruz said. "He never hid the fact that he had them."
Furthermore, de la Cruz said that when Garcia moved to Haverhill, he had a 60-day grace period to obtain a Massachusetts firearms card.
"There is no crime committed," he argued, saying there was no evidence that Garcia was shipping guns or ammunition to the Dominican Republic.
He asked the judge to allow his client "to go back to his job." He said Garcia has worked at a local bakery for three years.
Yesterday, Freeman Street residents interviewed by The Eagle-Tribune said they did not know anything about Garcia or guns and ammunition being stored at or shipped from his home.
Medline Abiles, of 43 Freeman St., who resides across the street from Garcia's house, said that in the two months she has lived in the neighborhood, she has not observed any weapons or ammunition and had no reason to be suspicious. Her sister, Carmen Reyes, who visits frequently, said she also had never noticed anything suspicious at the two-family house at 12 Freeman St.
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And my response (that I posted earlier on www.gunatics.com)
Wow! MA really sucks, and probably takes it in the *** at the senate.
I knew MA had some weird ammo laws VIA janq, but I didn't know you couldn't possess 30,000 rounds. With the market today, buying ammo in such bulk is a pretty good idea because you can sell it back at twice the cost or MORE later on. Ammo isn't going to decrease in price anytime soon, so maybe he's just a guy looking to make some extra cash with his investment?
Even if he isn't, he could be buying the ammo now so he doesn't have to buy anymore for YEARS to come because ammo costs are just going to increase until something drastic happens, and it wont, so ammo will be more expensive later on, and thats a fact. He could have just stocked up like many of us do, but perhaps he had a lot more money then most of us have so he was able to buy 30k rounds instead of 5k like some of us buy when we stock pile.
One of my friends (kaminari) has almost 20k rounds stocked up for the exact reason above, it's for him and his dad, but regardless, and its perfectly legal here in CA which is shocking in itself. I can't believe MA has worse laws then CA does! That's insane!
At most I think I've had like 15k rounds laying around in various calibers from pistol to shotgun, and everything in between (flares and rifle ) and I didn't even bat an eye... I just saw it as a wise investment... Sure it hurt my wallet, but it saved me a ton of dough later on. I ended up selling a couple thousand rounds which almost paid for half of what I paid for everything a couple years after I bought it, so it almost paid itself back... Basically got 15k rounds for the price of 7.5k, and that was when ammo was cheap! As stated above, this was a great investment and I'm surprised that more people don't do this!
MA can suck a fat one... I'd never move there regardless of how great the benefits may be, screw that. If I found a job that paid 500k a year, I still wouldn't move there, I'd buy a house outside the state line and commute to work in my Porsche GT2 everyday.
And finally, no one NEEDS to own 3k rounds, just as much as no one NEEDS to own 500 rounds, it's just a matter of convenience and saving money, simple as that. If I were a terrorist, I know I wouldn't be hauling 30k rounds around with me... Hell, I probably would just use explosives or something, not that I ever would do anything like that, I'm just looking at it from the eyes of the enemy. A sniper is more powerful then someone with a machine gun, and it's way safer for the shooter because there's a good chance that he/she could escape. Remember the DC sniper? He could have quit while he was ahead and not been caught, but he was greedy and sloppy... He was only caught BY CHANCE! Because he parked in the wrong spot which made a cop come up to his car and scan the car when he noticed that he was sleeping in the car with a minor, and this searching his car... Otherwise he wouldn't have been caught... As sloppy as he was, he still almost got away. Compare that to someone with an M249 or something... There's no way that guy is getting away. He may take some people down, but there's no way he'll get away after that... Kinda like the Hollywood shootout scenario.
To make it even more lame, the ammo was mostly .22 along with some .38 and 9mm. I doubt any terrorist with half a brain would use that sort of ammo if they intended on inflicting damage, especially a .22.
Also keep in mind that 1000 rounds of .22 can fit into my lunch box. Its a VERY small round that does little damage to people unless it's a close range shot to a soft spot, like the eye.
Wow! MA really sucks, and probably takes it in the *** at the senate.
I knew MA had some weird ammo laws VIA janq, but I didn't know you couldn't possess 30,000 rounds. With the market today, buying ammo in such bulk is a pretty good idea because you can sell it back at twice the cost or MORE later on. Ammo isn't going to decrease in price anytime soon, so maybe he's just a guy looking to make some extra cash with his investment?
Even if he isn't, he could be buying the ammo now so he doesn't have to buy anymore for YEARS to come because ammo costs are just going to increase until something drastic happens, and it wont, so ammo will be more expensive later on, and thats a fact. He could have just stocked up like many of us do, but perhaps he had a lot more money then most of us have so he was able to buy 30k rounds instead of 5k like some of us buy when we stock pile.
One of my friends (kaminari) has almost 20k rounds stocked up for the exact reason above, it's for him and his dad, but regardless, and its perfectly legal here in CA which is shocking in itself. I can't believe MA has worse laws then CA does! That's insane!
At most I think I've had like 15k rounds laying around in various calibers from pistol to shotgun, and everything in between (flares and rifle ) and I didn't even bat an eye... I just saw it as a wise investment... Sure it hurt my wallet, but it saved me a ton of dough later on. I ended up selling a couple thousand rounds which almost paid for half of what I paid for everything a couple years after I bought it, so it almost paid itself back... Basically got 15k rounds for the price of 7.5k, and that was when ammo was cheap! As stated above, this was a great investment and I'm surprised that more people don't do this!
MA can suck a fat one... I'd never move there regardless of how great the benefits may be, screw that. If I found a job that paid 500k a year, I still wouldn't move there, I'd buy a house outside the state line and commute to work in my Porsche GT2 everyday.
And finally, no one NEEDS to own 3k rounds, just as much as no one NEEDS to own 500 rounds, it's just a matter of convenience and saving money, simple as that. If I were a terrorist, I know I wouldn't be hauling 30k rounds around with me... Hell, I probably would just use explosives or something, not that I ever would do anything like that, I'm just looking at it from the eyes of the enemy. A sniper is more powerful then someone with a machine gun, and it's way safer for the shooter because there's a good chance that he/she could escape. Remember the DC sniper? He could have quit while he was ahead and not been caught, but he was greedy and sloppy... He was only caught BY CHANCE! Because he parked in the wrong spot which made a cop come up to his car and scan the car when he noticed that he was sleeping in the car with a minor, and this searching his car... Otherwise he wouldn't have been caught... As sloppy as he was, he still almost got away. Compare that to someone with an M249 or something... There's no way that guy is getting away. He may take some people down, but there's no way he'll get away after that... Kinda like the Hollywood shootout scenario.
To make it even more lame, the ammo was mostly .22 along with some .38 and 9mm. I doubt any terrorist with half a brain would use that sort of ammo if they intended on inflicting damage, especially a .22.
Also keep in mind that 1000 rounds of .22 can fit into my lunch box. Its a VERY small round that does little damage to people unless it's a close range shot to a soft spot, like the eye.
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You can be a non citizen and purchase guns you nubs! One thing does strike me odd about this guy, works at a bread shop for 3 years. Has $25,000 in cash! Yes cash! Holy hell I am in the wrong industry changing my career to a bread worker 
He literally brings home the dough 
Honestly it does sound like he is exporting goods to other places, but I cannot say so without proof.
Also if 5K rounds is chump change then my 10K rounds of various ammo is a drop in the bucket? That's not counting my 5K .22LR he he he
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He literally brings home the dough Honestly it does sound like he is exporting goods to other places, but I cannot say so without proof.
Also if 5K rounds is chump change then my 10K rounds of various ammo is a drop in the bucket? That's not counting my 5K .22LR he he he
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I think to be honest. the guy is living the american dream and got buss rolled by it.
Next.. I think I'd be more concerned with each walmart store carrying more ammo then this guy.
And really... a 22? bruce is right, 1000 rounds of .22 is like nothing. I really wonder what they think of people doing their own reloading.
They said he had no police record, was about to get legal residence here in america. The ammo matched the gun he had. So they cant prove export very well.
With ecconomy as bad as it is today. I know allot of people with more cash at home then that. As our banking system suck.
I'd like to wonder how the police got the wife to open the house up for search with out warrent.
I figured we would be flipping out over 30k rounds of .50 or .223 or the guy had ak's m16's or rocket launchers or something.
With the ATF involved. I wonder also if obama has them looking to harass people over this in chance to start taking peoples stock piles. Remember, Have the gun, But we want your ammo.... Looks like this might be the 1st step heading that way.
Next.. I think I'd be more concerned with each walmart store carrying more ammo then this guy.
And really... a 22? bruce is right, 1000 rounds of .22 is like nothing. I really wonder what they think of people doing their own reloading.
They said he had no police record, was about to get legal residence here in america. The ammo matched the gun he had. So they cant prove export very well.
With ecconomy as bad as it is today. I know allot of people with more cash at home then that. As our banking system suck.
I'd like to wonder how the police got the wife to open the house up for search with out warrent.
I figured we would be flipping out over 30k rounds of .50 or .223 or the guy had ak's m16's or rocket launchers or something.
With the ATF involved. I wonder also if obama has them looking to harass people over this in chance to start taking peoples stock piles. Remember, Have the gun, But we want your ammo.... Looks like this might be the 1st step heading that way.
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