if you never shot before, i would suggest going to you local shooting range. they do offer course in hand gun safety for a nominal price.

web site: http://jacksonarms.com/
look under the classes section.

 

Give Reed's a try. You can rent various guns to find one you like. They also have training courses. http://www.reedsindoorrange.com/

And don't listen to the duma$$ anti gun fools.

I do feel very big in the pants with this in my pocket.

 

try this course:

http://www.bayprofs.org/Basic_Pistol.html

 

dunno who this Kellerman is or what his "study" was about, Im speaking of direct statistics from the Justice Department of how many accidental or domestic violence gun related injuries and deaths occur every year. So Im up for debate, how about this, I'll show statistics for how many accidental and domestic violence related gun injuries/deaths occur yearly and you show me evidence for how many crimes are stopped yearly by people defending themselves with firearms, I'll give you till tomorrow night

 

How nice of you.

Remember from statistics 101, association does not imply causation.


"The studies yielding such numbers never actually inquired as to whose gun was used in the killing. Instead, if a household owned a gun and if a person in that household or someone they knew was shot to death while in the home, the gun in the household was blamed. In fact, virtually all the killings in these studies were committed by guns brought in by an intruder. No more than four percent of the gun deaths can be attributed to the homeowner's gun. The very fact that most people were killed by intruders also surely raises questions about why they owned guns in the first place and whether they had sufficient protection.

How many attacks have been deterred from ever occurring by the potential victims owning a gun? My own research finds that more concealed handguns, and increased gun ownership generally, unambiguously deter murders, robbery, and aggravated assaults. This is also in line with the well-known fact that criminals prefer attacking victims that they consider weak. These are only some of the myths about guns and crime that drive the public policy debate. We must not lose sight of the ultimate question: Will allowing law-abiding citizens to own guns save lives? The evidence strongly indicates that it does."

By John R. Lott Jr. John Lott Jr., the John M. Olin law and economics fellow at the University of Chicago School of Law, is the author of "More Guns, Less Crime."


And in the words of G-man himself, "An armed society is a polite society".

 

haha, yeah this has got to be an impartial, non-biased report

author of "More Guns, Less Crime."

:rotfl:

okay man, you win, I found some good info too but those leftist liberal bastard at he U.S. Justice Department probably made it up too

 

Ehh? I think you missed a subtlety... In academia, it's OK name your book/paper/article based on the conclusion of your study. Flip through any academic journal and you'll see what I mean.

 

go to Montana Hawk in Cotati, CA ...my buddy owns the place.

www.montanahawk.com

-Noah

 

oh boy... i knew it would boil down to this:

my google search is better than your google search.



look, i cant never turn a anti-gun person into a pro-gun person. heck i even had this long discussion with my brother in law and my sister, who lived with us til she was 18 and when moved out to go to ucla.

and i didnt know she had these beliefs.

so you can argue, er... debate, til you are blue in the face. nothing will ever get done.

in the end, everyone's beliefs are just that. theirs.

to me? yes, i do feel safer having firearms around the house.

i train with them and make sure that they are in a safe place. IMO, having an UNLOADED, locked firearm is like having a very expensive jewelry.

and yes, it does mean that you have to TEACH your children to handle them in the safe and correct manner. otherwise, YOU ARE heading for problems.

 

Grandad was an ex infantryman during Korea and then became a competitive shooter for the USAF till he retired after 25yrs of service.

I have been exposed to weapons since I was little. Was taught to shoot my own BB gun at 8 and eventually joined local/state distance shooting clubs/teams. When I wasn't doing that I was stalking deer in Kyburz with a 30-30 or 30-06 and shooting pheasant at Mather AFB.

Then I joined the Army and had some fun with scout plts and other similar units and schools.

Haven't been shooting for some time because of business but I still have the passion. I do plan to get back into it full boar eventually.

Best way to start? Start reading Guns and Ammo magazine for content. Seriously. Figure out what you prefer (pistol, rifle, shotgun or all of them) and go for it. Ask someone that knows what they are doing to go with you. Don't be afraid to ask questions about safety, etiquette and weapons discipline if you go with someone or solo.

Just have some common sense and you’ll be gtg. If you have any questions PM me and I’ll be happy to give you direction.

 

I'm curious...

Did you think this way when you went out to see the damage on the Porsche GT you recently posted pictures of? Maybe he was waiting for a team of race car drivers to invade his home for a race?

Did you for one second consider the fact the driver could have hurt himself and those around him due to his lack of experience? Probably something that could have been avoided with the proper training and experience, huh?

So where's the difference between a car and a gun in the wrong hands? Both are inert objects unless they're in the hands of an irresponsible user. Then again, so is a fork, hair dryer and cheeseburger.

So which do you want to ban first? Single out only the guns or all of them until you have succeeded in completely castrating the country? Your call.

 

This was the class that I took. Very cool instructors. It was an all day Saturday classroom and range course. The instructors brought their sidearms (and there was a ton) for you to learn how to load, handle, shoot, and etc... The class was held at Target Master in Milpitas. Well worth the money. You'll be hooked after.

 

Yeah looks like I'll be booking June 11th. Seems like great value for an all day class.

 

This debate is never going to end.

This is how I see it.

If you are anti guns, then you should be anti automobiles too. There should not be a double standard here.

I accept that fact that guns do kill people, but cars do too.

Some people claim that accidents with guns are high in the United States....try comparing that to vehicle accidents.

The number one killer in USA are drunk driving, not guns. I don't see a any anti-gun enthusiast trying to ban vehicles.

 

I highly recommend growing a mullet and wearing Dale Earnhardt shirts. You'll also have to get some kind of a truck so you can stow your weapons on a rack that hangs in the rear window to deter potential criminals and to inform the public that you mean business. On top of all this your going to have to vote Republican regardless of what your political opinions may be. In fact, you will lose all intelligence related to social issues and that will be replaced by a strong desire to shoot animals. In order to shoot these animals you will have to do one of two things. Jump from your vehicle firing or spend a large portion of your income on hunting gear which you will use to aid you in stalking your prey. That should give you a pretty good start.














By the way, I'm just kidding so put your torches down. I own several guns myself and just felt like saying something entertaining.