Bleh, my crazy sister...
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No, definitely doesn't define it. I know plenty of "normal" Christians that aren't wackos. It just seems like I always run into a crazie every couple of years.
I just didn't peg my sister for being one of those... maybe it has something to do with Mary Kay.
Like I said, I have no problems with anyone's religion, just don't force it on me. You've made up your mind, I've made up mine. We're all adults. Let's leave it at that.
That's almost worse than telling me which car I have to buy.
I just didn't peg my sister for being one of those... maybe it has something to do with Mary Kay.
Like I said, I have no problems with anyone's religion, just don't force it on me. You've made up your mind, I've made up mine. We're all adults. Let's leave it at that.
That's almost worse than telling me which car I have to buy.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Hahahaha...the word asshat will always make me laugh hahahaha
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Originally Posted by mmboost
Thinking that you can separete justice and morality in your thinking is about as Pharisaical as it gets.
Legislating against abortion and homosexuality will not stop either issue. But displaying godly justice, choosing to be wronged, giving up one's false entitlement will make a truer statement to the Gospel than trying to force behavior down anyone's throat.
Legislating against abortion and homosexuality will not stop either issue. But displaying godly justice, choosing to be wronged, giving up one's false entitlement will make a truer statement to the Gospel than trying to force behavior down anyone's throat.
You're also right in saying that legislating agains abortion and homosexuality will not stop either issue. And I agree that displaying godly justice, choosing to be wrong, and giving up one's (false) entitlement will make a truer statement of the Gospel.
However, you're misunderstanding my point. My point is that you can't say democrats = christian party or republican = christian party. People whether atheist, thiest, or agnostic, should vote as their conscience dictates after gathering a reasonable amount of information.
I'm open to continue this offline, if you'd like.
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Wow, this has gotten way too serious. I just started this thread as a rag on my semi-retarded, backwards, religious zealot, cow of a sister that acts like she's 12 and treats me like a 3 year old and her dirty, disease ridden, cheater ***, absentee husband.
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Originally Posted by gdawrx
However, you're misunderstanding my point. My point is that you can't say democrats = christian party or republican = christian party.
It seems in your most recent response that you agree that biblical morality does indeed have more to do with justice than isolated moral behavior. Why then vote in such a way that supports isolated moral behavior and carries the "line items" of the social laws of "might makes right" and pure capitalism ( also known as "socio-economic darwinism").
I don't vote for candidates based upon claims that affiliate him or her to the Church. I vote how I do because a candidate's agenda coincides more with the goals that I find God is after in Deteronomy, the Prophets and in the Sermon on the Mount. Give up what the world tells me I am entitled to so that I can serve others. Might does not make right. Social, racial, economic, political and military power should not enable me to ignore my fellow man, but having more should cause me to be even less entitled and subusequently, more generous.
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Wow, this has gotten way too serious. I just started this thread as a rag on my semi-retarded, backwards, religious zealot, cow of a sister that acts like she's 12 and treats me like a 3 year old and her dirty, disease ridden, cheater ***, absentee husband.
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Originally Posted by kimbo63
lol, i really hope she doesnt find out your on this board
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Originally Posted by ryball
You know, to be honest, I'm not sure I'd care if she saw this whole post...
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Originally Posted by kimbo63
from the way you describe her, i think it would just cause you more grief/drama
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Originally Posted by kimbo63
from the way you describe her, i think it would just cause you more grief/drama
Did you expect this many people to chime in with their two cents? lol
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Originally Posted by gdawrx
The Democrats have a closer agenda to Biblical social justice.
The Republicans have a closer agenda to Biblical moral standards.
I am a Christian, and I attend an Evangelical church. I am registered independent, (like a good San Franciscan should be).
One problem I see in American politics is that it's a 2 party system. And because of that, many people feel trapped in their choices. People feel that casting a vote for one party means pissing on the other party. Now, if you align wholeheatedly with a party, then that's a good thing.
But when you feel split in the parties (where many Christians I've spoken to seem to be,) then for whatever reason, many people side with the party that alienate them less on the matters that are the main concern on their hearts. For example, a good friend of mine (who attends the same church) is very anti-war, and will probably vote for Kerry, because that's her big issue in this election.
Another friend of mine, will vote for Bush, because he is anti-abortion, even though he is very big on social justice.
Me? I'm still trying to decide, as one i-clubber so accurately stated, "is the lesser of two evils."
The Republicans have a closer agenda to Biblical moral standards.
I am a Christian, and I attend an Evangelical church. I am registered independent, (like a good San Franciscan should be).
One problem I see in American politics is that it's a 2 party system. And because of that, many people feel trapped in their choices. People feel that casting a vote for one party means pissing on the other party. Now, if you align wholeheatedly with a party, then that's a good thing.
But when you feel split in the parties (where many Christians I've spoken to seem to be,) then for whatever reason, many people side with the party that alienate them less on the matters that are the main concern on their hearts. For example, a good friend of mine (who attends the same church) is very anti-war, and will probably vote for Kerry, because that's her big issue in this election.
Another friend of mine, will vote for Bush, because he is anti-abortion, even though he is very big on social justice.
Me? I'm still trying to decide, as one i-clubber so accurately stated, "is the lesser of two evils."
And very nice post, I think you captured it
You know alot of people complain about our "two party system" but the fact is for the majority of issues in this country, theres usually only 2 clearly defined sides to stand on, so you only need one group to represent the opinions of those who side one way or the other on those issues. Furthermore, the more parties you have, the more you marginalize the majority of Americans. Its bad enough right now with the population split almost dead even, no matter who wins nearly 50% of the populations views and opinions will be marginalized, imagine if there were four evenly devided parties, you have the potential of 75% of the population marginalized,
no its not a perfect system
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as everyone in this forum knows, my only good advice, which may or may not serve its purpose in this case is to roll up a fat one and pass it around. you need to get her high to the point where she can see jesus. Because I am really not feeling the whole yelling mommy thing. not cool.
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Originally Posted by Monkeynutz
In a way it would be telling her without telling it to her face and getting into an argument (you know, as soon as you open your mouth, the other person gets defensive without hearing everything.) Then again this isn't the same as putting it into a letter and giving it to her
Did you expect this many people to chime in with their two cents? lol
Did you expect this many people to chime in with their two cents? lol