Jin

of course not but believing in supernatural act is different, such as noah's flood. or taking literally the story adam and eve or humans and dinosaurs living together (as creationism suggests).

saqwarrior

The burden of proof falls upon you, the one making the claim. You cannot make an extraordinary claim and then expect people to have doubts about it, and when they cannot disprove it, claim that as some sort of evidence for being right. By that same logic, I can claim that there exists an invisible pink unicorn, and then say that since you cannot disprove its existence, that is evidence of it existing.

Also, I disagree that having faith in a supreme being isn't irrational. Something not based on logic or reason is by definition "irrational":

Would you not say that someone who believes werewolves is irrational? Or someone that believes in the bogeyman? I see no reason to treat people who believe in "God" any differently. Different fairy tale, except you believe in it as an adult.

And as someone pointed out earlier, faith and proof are mutually exclusive concepts. You do not have faith in something if you require evidence of its existence.

The psychology of many religious people is so painfully obvious, especially when they try proving themselves right and others wrong.

saqwarrior

Fixed.

evsoul

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my purpose is not to prove anyone wrong. I could ultimately careless what you believe. I just hate when people dig in because they don't accept what I accept. I think believing in life without a creator is irrational.. why? because something had to put it here. Whether it be the God I believe exists or some other unexplainable being. But for something to naturally occur in the absolute very beginning makes absolutely no sense to me.

Either way I am over this conversation, it's not gonna prove anything to you or me.. we believe what we believe hopefully one of us is right or else there was an entire 20 page thread of nothing haha.

Overbear

And yet, I am STILL waiting for a apology. Typical christian....

VRT Gump

iTrader: (4)

what if we are part of a cell, that is part of an entire being. When you get smaller in size, there are trillions and trillions of other cells, and when you get bigger the same thing.

how would that be? If we were just part of a cell in some wierd animals eye or something. It may be far fetched, but not as far fetched as any other idea that someone can conjour up.

and for evsoul, I respect that your putting your opinion out there and not bashing others.

saqwarrior

You keep reverting back to this, and everyone keeps asking you: if that's irrational, then you must also ask "Who created the creator?" To accept that one thing has always been there, but deny that something else could have always been there is disingenuous at best, and it's certainly intellectually dishonest when you reply with "It's not applicable because it's the creator!" That's a bull**** answer, and a cop-out -- and you know it.

You said that before, but I have a feeling you'll be back. Religious people can't stand it when others don't believe the same things as them, because it makes them feel like it invalidates their belief. You are driven to proselytize, not just under mandate of scripture, but by your own psyche's attempt to find rationalizations for something that doesn't exist in the physical world.

And for the record, this conversation has proven a lot to me.

Yin

iTrader: (40)

*******

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OneManArmy

iTrader: (7)

Not sure what this in reference too... I'm to lazy to read back the last 150 posts or so since i last posted. haaa.

But if someone doesn't feel like they did or said something wrong then they wouldn't feel like they need to give an apology.

Overbear

To sum up, a few of the "Christians" spouted off to affect "there is no proof of evolution" I and a few others posted up much science and fact, they ignored it.

Yin

iTrader: (40)

to think that humans/God/supreme being are the end all be all "Creator" of everything is bordering on delusion of grandeur. it's not all about us, because people come and go, as do religions and people's beliefs, hence the phrase 'opiate for the masses' - it allows people to live day to day and not think about the world around them, just where they came from and where they are going. but this is just my cynical/realist side.

what i'd like to believe is that there is a purpose for everyone. what that is, no one really knows. this is why people try to study the natural world for what it is, with empirical evidence and repeated experimentation. no one is saying "dont have *faith*, and you're stupid if you do." after all, faith is what brings people together, not apart. but this is not what i see in religion and "faith" these days, or in history for that matter. with this information, how can anyone think their belief is the only valid belief? self preservation...