YFZ450Lynx

iTrader: (1)

I like #2 but feel the color needs to be changed

azer408

iTrader: (3)

I liked 2 and 4. I would just like picture 2 in black like #4

dSpec

iTrader: (10)

#1 is my favorite. Not a big fan of gray shirts though. White would look awesome.

bluwrxwgn

iTrader: (3)

#2 would look good on a black shirt. I voted #2, but if I could vote twice would also vote for #4.

bluwrxwgn

iTrader: (3)

Good for you.

RodriguezGD

iTrader: (6)

#2 on a black shirt...

Choku Dori

iTrader: (2)

Look, I've mentioned the kyokujitsu-ki in a number of threads on i-Club, but I don't read every single thread that's posted on this site, and I don't go actively looking for **** to stir around here (despite what other members may think). I appreciate your efforts on our behalf, and it's nothing personal against you.

Your first post, I understand where you're coming from in regards to the timing of the post. Your second post though, is ugly, racist, and ignorant. Replace the words "Koreans and Chinese" with "Jews" and you'll realize how stupid you're being. The kyokujitsu-ki carries as much weight as the Iron Cross, a symbol of German imperialism commandeered by the ***** during their mission to exterminate the Jews. Prior to reading this, I used to think that you were a pretty cool guy, but this is just atrocious. You're either a hot-headed idiot that spouts whatever he wants when he's unhappy about something, or a filthy racist. You make me sick.

How am I being douchey? I'm just pointing out a fact. Like I said earlier, I don't read every single thread here on i-Club, I'm not a mod after all!

The only Japanese people that display the kyokujitsu-ki on their cars are bosozoku going for shock value. It's the equivalent of putting an Iron Cross or even a swastika on your Bimmer or Benz. Get it?

Those don't count as kyokujitsu-ki, they're just rising suns.

Did you read my post carefully? I specifically said that only MODERN use of the kyokujitsu-ki that is acceptable is MARITIME use, and that the JSDF DOES NOT CONDUCT WAR OPERATIONS OVERSEAS due to Article 9 of the Japanese constitution. MARITIME usage includes the JSDF naval ensign and the tairyou-ki, which is also the theme used during New Year's that is a HISTORICAL holdover. The JSDF Ground Forces have NEVER gone to war because Japan has never been directly assaulted, and thus there has been no need for use of the war standard. Overseas relief operations by the JSDF use the Hi no Maru because JAPAN IS NOT AT WAR. The Asahi Shinbun uses a rising sun logo that is INVERTED in COLOR and has used the logo since the 19th century, another HISTORICAL usage (not to mention the Asahi Shinbun is a LEFT-leaning paper). I have been to Japan and attended sporting events there, and the kyokujitsu-ki is rarely seen; the hi no maru however is common. I also practice two Japanese sports and have yet to the see the kyokujitsu-ki at any tournaments (mainly because Japanese participants, in addition to Chinese and Korean participants, would question the poor taste of it).

You are an ignoramus and talk about things of which you have absolutely no knowledge. The way you type makes YOU sound like the boy here, and I am just as American as you are. However, how much about Japan and Asia do you know? Do you speak Japanese? Do you know any Japanese people from Japan? Do you know anything about Japanese culture? Have you been to Japan before? Have you been to East Asia before? Do you speak an East Asian language? The war may have ended over 60 years ago, but its impact still runs deep. Go tell a Jew that Nazism and antisemitism are obsolete, see what he thinks.

I'm proud that I am a Chinese American with deep roots in Hong Kong and Southern China, and I am proud that I know how to speak fluent Japanese as well as fluent Cantonese (the language of my ancestors). I am proud that I have had the opportunity to live in Hong Kong and to live in Japan, and I am proud to have made many Japanese friends as well as Chinese friends. I am happy to see that many of today's youth are able to look beyond the conflicts of their grandparents, but when an outside group glorifies the symbol of an ugly chapter in the collective history of our two peoples, I am greatly dismayed and upset, especially when these outsiders stress the perceived correctness of this ignorant notions and proceed to insult anyone who attempts to shine a light on the subject. Shame on you.

If people like you are at BAM, I don't care, I just won't associate with you and instead hang out with my friends on i-Club. I'm not as small as you are, celebrating the fact that someone else isn't attending a mass function just because of a difference in opinion. You make me sick.

JourdanWithaU

iTrader: (39)

(tl;dr)

Teagleye

iTrader: (2)

Number 1 should be put on a white shirt with black lettering. I'll buy one then.

I also concur with Choku Dori.

OneManArmy

iTrader: (7)

atrocious... because I don't care if I offend someone with a t-shirt? Wow. I think you read more in to that than what was intended. I stand by it. I forget that because I'm a white american I can have no opinions and make no statements in regard to race or religion. And you clearly don't know me. I'm about the nicest dude you'll ever meet... to ALL races and religions.

My point is that MOST people have no clue what you're talking about and therefore would not be offended by a design element on a t-shirt. INCLUDING korean's and chinese. The other part was an off the cuff statement that meant nothing more than what it said... they (meaning those countries) do more to offend me than the offense a shirt could possibly cause... That's it. Meant NOTHING in regards to the actual people. Hell I spent most of high school in dorm rooms eating home made korean food with koreans and being a mediator between the race wars.... korean/chinese/japanese. Hell... I play ping pong like a korean... but that's probably racist and atrocious as well to say...

That and the people that would be offended by it more than likely won't see the shirt. Yes the wounds are deep but I think you're overstating the effect this shirt would have. If you want to impart your wisdom that's cool... but this was not the place or time for it.

Do I think using the rising sun on a shirt deserves the comparisons you're making... no. Do I see your point... yes. That's why I said I'm cool with it being taken down. I don't see the point in risking offending the people we're trying to help. So.... mods. Take it down and move those votes somewhere else. I would also like to see ALLLLL of these comments deleted because they have nothing to do with this and are distracting the thread.... but hey... where would iclub be without drama bull**** for nothing... right.

I'm sorry that your online opinion of me has changed because of the statements I made. I think you way WAY overstated the meaning behind those words.

Gibz

iTrader: (7)

Ditto!

OneManArmy

iTrader: (7)

Hey... lets not forget that I'm a racist hateful bigot. Anyone up for some cross burning, book burnings...



Seriously... wtf.

Take the damn design down... please.

I'm seriously bummed it went to this point. People love a little drama in life I guess.

Choku Dori

iTrader: (2)

OK, I gotcha, I understand. I want to thank you for taking the time to clarify and explain what you meant in your posts. I apologize that I read too deeply into what you said, and I apologize for the angry things that I said in response. I do still stick with what I said about the kyokujitsu-ki because I'd like for more people, especially non-Asians, to understand the meaning of that flag. You and I seem to have more in common than not, so I agree, let's move on and pick a great shirt for this year's BAM.

leftcoast_650

iTrader: (10)

Choku Dori - "Those don't count as kyokujitsu-ki, they're just rising suns. "


So whats to say that the design on his shirt isn't a rising sun? Just wondering im not meaning to stir the pot with anybody..

OneManArmy

iTrader: (7)

Word...



And I understand where you're coming from. When people hit close to something you care about it's easy to have something lean worse than what was intended.