Another Shooting... (taft)
I have a son. I never liked kids. I didn't like spending time around kids. I was the baby in the family so I wasn't raised with younger children around. It's different now. But I'm still not a person who goes blubbering over a new baby and I have no desire to hold someone else baby simply because it's a little baby.
I feel you man. Not too into other people's kids....too busy spending time with, and enjoying, mine.
I think the point I was tip-toeing around was that, until I had a child of my own, I was pretty liberal. Heavy into punk rock and the ideology behind that whole scene. Raised in church on Sunday and mohawks during the week..College did not change my views much. Marriage did not change my views much.
When I had a child...that was when the bigger picture of what is going on in the world started to terrify me deeply. This was when I started to care where my taxes were spent, about the environmnent, and about the world my child would inherit from the freaking idiots out there and the criminals running the governments.
The 2nd ammendment was written to give us the right and the means to protect ourselves from tyranny, both foreign, and DOMESTIC. If we let ourselves be convinced that we should only have inferior tools in our homes to defend ourselves from a government that does not abide by its own rules, we are making a huge mistake and being incredibley nieve.
At the same time, we need to revamp our schools. Teachers need to have power again. Teachers need to be able to discipline again. Teachers need to GET PAID for the incredible responsibility they have. Then maybe, just maybe, they'd care enough to stop "that bully" or make sure that "little Billy" is understanding his math or make sure that the "little quiet kid that talsk to his Lego's" gets the couseling and care he needs to become a normal part of society and not school shooter of some kind. (Used lots of stereotypes...don't crucify me here dudes...its just a debate.
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Wait so you're trying to prove a point about how other people base their arguments on a low level of facts and in this particular case they're forgetting about one part of a statement? Is that true?
Because you are doing the same thing. You're using one part of a statement to attack another part of a statement and using poor facts to support your opinion. And once again... why is this in this thread in the first place and why is it being used for your reasoning on how terrible my post is? Non of it is related.
Read it... especially the parts where it says the right was defended OUTSIDE OF A MILITIA...
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also... an AR15 was never used in the sandy hook shootings and therefore has no effect on the legality of assault rifles or this topic at all. You are clearly sold in to the media and political hype. An assault rifle of no kind was used in that shooting.
Seriously... dense.
1. My refusal to get in to it with you has nothing to do with my self esteem. Try to grasp at some more straws.
2. Your example and support of said example sucks.
3. You left out Jane. Woman are allowed to purchase fire arms in this country.
4. You didn't point out an fallacies in my statement. You keyed in on things that were not there to support your very narrow perspective. All you're doing at this point is supporting the points I made in my previous post. How could I be wrong about my own personal experience? And how could you be pointing something out about a particular reference to a particular event that I never made?
Seriously... dense.
Because you are doing the same thing. You're using one part of a statement to attack another part of a statement and using poor facts to support your opinion. And once again... why is this in this thread in the first place and why is it being used for your reasoning on how terrible my post is? Non of it is related.
Read it... especially the parts where it says the right was defended OUTSIDE OF A MILITIA...
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also... an AR15 was never used in the sandy hook shootings and therefore has no effect on the legality of assault rifles or this topic at all. You are clearly sold in to the media and political hype. An assault rifle of no kind was used in that shooting.
Seriously... dense.
1. My refusal to get in to it with you has nothing to do with my self esteem. Try to grasp at some more straws.
2. Your example and support of said example sucks.
3. You left out Jane. Woman are allowed to purchase fire arms in this country.
4. You didn't point out an fallacies in my statement. You keyed in on things that were not there to support your very narrow perspective. All you're doing at this point is supporting the points I made in my previous post. How could I be wrong about my own personal experience? And how could you be pointing something out about a particular reference to a particular event that I never made?
Seriously... dense.
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I feel you man. Not too into other people's kids....too busy spending time with, and enjoying, mine.
I think the point I was tip-toeing around was that, until I had a child of my own, I was pretty liberal. Heavy into punk rock and the ideology behind that whole scene. Raised in church on Sunday and mohawks during the week..College did not change my views much. Marriage did not change my views much.
When I had a child...that was when the bigger picture of what is going on in the world started to terrify me deeply. This was when I started to care where my taxes were spent, about the environmnent, and about the world my child would inherit from the freaking idiots out there and the criminals running the governments.
The 2nd ammendment was written to give us the right and the means to protect ourselves from tyranny, both foreign, and DOMESTIC. If we let ourselves be convinced that we should only have inferior tools in our homes to defend ourselves from a government that does not abide by its own rules, we are making a huge mistake and being incredibley nieve.
At the same time, we need to revamp our schools. Teachers need to have power again. Teachers need to be able to discipline again. Teachers need to GET PAID for the incredible responsibility they have. Then maybe, just maybe, they'd care enough to stop "that bully" or make sure that "little Billy" is understanding his math or make sure that the "little quiet kid that talsk to his Lego's" gets the couseling and care he needs to become a normal part of society and not school shooter of some kind. (Used lots of stereotypes...don't crucify me here dudes...its just a debate.)
I think the point I was tip-toeing around was that, until I had a child of my own, I was pretty liberal. Heavy into punk rock and the ideology behind that whole scene. Raised in church on Sunday and mohawks during the week..College did not change my views much. Marriage did not change my views much.
When I had a child...that was when the bigger picture of what is going on in the world started to terrify me deeply. This was when I started to care where my taxes were spent, about the environmnent, and about the world my child would inherit from the freaking idiots out there and the criminals running the governments.
The 2nd ammendment was written to give us the right and the means to protect ourselves from tyranny, both foreign, and DOMESTIC. If we let ourselves be convinced that we should only have inferior tools in our homes to defend ourselves from a government that does not abide by its own rules, we are making a huge mistake and being incredibley nieve.
At the same time, we need to revamp our schools. Teachers need to have power again. Teachers need to be able to discipline again. Teachers need to GET PAID for the incredible responsibility they have. Then maybe, just maybe, they'd care enough to stop "that bully" or make sure that "little Billy" is understanding his math or make sure that the "little quiet kid that talsk to his Lego's" gets the couseling and care he needs to become a normal part of society and not school shooter of some kind. (Used lots of stereotypes...don't crucify me here dudes...its just a debate.
)seriously dude... we gotta get beers... soon.
Lets just say I spent my fair share of time at shows growing up and in the church... I never had a hawk but my little brother had a huge blue one and my hair was every shade of color and cut under the sun.... I was more Pennywise than Rancid if you catch my drift. LOL!
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I feel you man. Not too into other people's kids....too busy spending time with, and enjoying, mine.
I think the point I was tip-toeing around was that, until I had a child of my own, I was pretty liberal. Heavy into punk rock and the ideology behind that whole scene. Raised in church on Sunday and mohawks during the week..College did not change my views much. Marriage did not change my views much.
When I had a child...that was when the bigger picture of what is going on in the world started to terrify me deeply. This was when I started to care where my taxes were spent, about the environmnent, and about the world my child would inherit from the freaking idiots out there and the criminals running the governments.
The 2nd ammendment was written to give us the right and the means to protect ourselves from tyranny, both foreign, and DOMESTIC. If we let ourselves be convinced that we should only have inferior tools in our homes to defend ourselves from a government that does not abide by its own rules, we are making a huge mistake and being incredibley nieve.
At the same time, we need to revamp our schools. Teachers need to have power again. Teachers need to be able to discipline again. Teachers need to GET PAID for the incredible responsibility they have. Then maybe, just maybe, they'd care enough to stop "that bully" or make sure that "little Billy" is understanding his math or make sure that the "little quiet kid that talsk to his Lego's" gets the couseling and care he needs to become a normal part of society and not school shooter of some kind. (Used lots of stereotypes...don't crucify me here dudes...its just a debate.)
I think the point I was tip-toeing around was that, until I had a child of my own, I was pretty liberal. Heavy into punk rock and the ideology behind that whole scene. Raised in church on Sunday and mohawks during the week..College did not change my views much. Marriage did not change my views much.
When I had a child...that was when the bigger picture of what is going on in the world started to terrify me deeply. This was when I started to care where my taxes were spent, about the environmnent, and about the world my child would inherit from the freaking idiots out there and the criminals running the governments.
The 2nd ammendment was written to give us the right and the means to protect ourselves from tyranny, both foreign, and DOMESTIC. If we let ourselves be convinced that we should only have inferior tools in our homes to defend ourselves from a government that does not abide by its own rules, we are making a huge mistake and being incredibley nieve.
At the same time, we need to revamp our schools. Teachers need to have power again. Teachers need to be able to discipline again. Teachers need to GET PAID for the incredible responsibility they have. Then maybe, just maybe, they'd care enough to stop "that bully" or make sure that "little Billy" is understanding his math or make sure that the "little quiet kid that talsk to his Lego's" gets the couseling and care he needs to become a normal part of society and not school shooter of some kind. (Used lots of stereotypes...don't crucify me here dudes...its just a debate.
)Every bit true. I never cared much about what the gov't was doing before kids. Now, I pay attention to the education reform acts and the various things that could affect my child. Trying to raise my child to not feel self entitled. You have to go to school, learn, and work hard to live the life you want. Nobody is going to give anything in this world. If you want it, you have to go out and earn it.
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One kid here. Hopefully another in a year or two.
I'm with whoever said that having a kid solidified some of my beliefs about raising a child, and made me up my game in areas I left as grey or debatable for most of my life. It should force you to step up and make decisions, hard and fast ones, about your life, how you lead it, and how you lead your children into their future - how they approach others, treat others, love themselves, learn, study, sleep, eat, exercise, and enjoy life.
The argument for "limited data" is a moot point in my opinion, as every single decision in the history of humanity has been made on limited data. You gather what you can, in the time allowed, and make the most educated decision you possibly can. Even scientists who claim absolutes do this, and inevitably in a few years they change their absolute to a new absolute because additional data was discovered. Same with parenting. You could take every class and read every book and still miss the point. Or you could do none of that and be an awesome parent. Most of us use what we know, what we're learning, and what we're told (often by obnoxious friends and a family members who decide to offer their unwarranted advice at an inopportune moment) and make the best decision at that time.
Spanking? I'm not opposed to it although it's use in all but extreme cases is typically more out of anger than out of lesson teaching. Regardless of the punishment, we explain to our son what he did wrong (eg. he hit mommy), why it was wrong (it hurt mommy and made her sad), that we love him and we give him a hug. Not to baby him, but to let him know that he made a mistake, it was not okay, and his toys are now ours for a bit, and he'll get them back when he behaves, but that we do love him dearly.
Ultimately, the fact that kids are passed forward without the proper qualifications, and the fact that many kids are told they are all winners, despite the result of their efforts, is wrong. A dose of reality for these kids would go a long way in that bullying doesn't last forever for 99.999% of people, and that life gets better, and that if they work hard they can have a great life, although most of them won't become doctors, astronauts, or the President of the United States because, hey, that's how the world is.
I'm with whoever said that having a kid solidified some of my beliefs about raising a child, and made me up my game in areas I left as grey or debatable for most of my life. It should force you to step up and make decisions, hard and fast ones, about your life, how you lead it, and how you lead your children into their future - how they approach others, treat others, love themselves, learn, study, sleep, eat, exercise, and enjoy life.
The argument for "limited data" is a moot point in my opinion, as every single decision in the history of humanity has been made on limited data. You gather what you can, in the time allowed, and make the most educated decision you possibly can. Even scientists who claim absolutes do this, and inevitably in a few years they change their absolute to a new absolute because additional data was discovered. Same with parenting. You could take every class and read every book and still miss the point. Or you could do none of that and be an awesome parent. Most of us use what we know, what we're learning, and what we're told (often by obnoxious friends and a family members who decide to offer their unwarranted advice at an inopportune moment) and make the best decision at that time.
Spanking? I'm not opposed to it although it's use in all but extreme cases is typically more out of anger than out of lesson teaching. Regardless of the punishment, we explain to our son what he did wrong (eg. he hit mommy), why it was wrong (it hurt mommy and made her sad), that we love him and we give him a hug. Not to baby him, but to let him know that he made a mistake, it was not okay, and his toys are now ours for a bit, and he'll get them back when he behaves, but that we do love him dearly.
Ultimately, the fact that kids are passed forward without the proper qualifications, and the fact that many kids are told they are all winners, despite the result of their efforts, is wrong. A dose of reality for these kids would go a long way in that bullying doesn't last forever for 99.999% of people, and that life gets better, and that if they work hard they can have a great life, although most of them won't become doctors, astronauts, or the President of the United States because, hey, that's how the world is.