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Old Jan 13, 2013 | 10:53 PM
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This is what happens when a generation is raised without the fear of repercussions.

I hope society is happy with their fear of discipline and punishment for wrong actions. Every kid gets a trophy, ever kid gets a passing grade, every kid gets ice cream after class. Doesn't matter if that kid didn't do his/her homework or got in trouble or sucks at sports. Entitlement.


I was a small kid... and pretty damn funny looking. I was skinny, poor and one of the smallest ones in my school until probably my junior year in high school. I was 5'3" and literally did not have body hair my freshman year in high school.

I wonder if I was the target of bullying. How did I respond? I learned that pain is temporary and being tougher and crazier than the other dude went a long way. Kick enough asses and people leave you the **** alone. Period. Who's gonna **** with the kid that gets pissed off and knocks out the guy 3 years older and 60 pounds heavier?

Get my *** kicked... tough ****. Get up. Brush the dirt off. Go do some sit ups and push ups. Lift some weights. Try to come out on the good side next time.

Now a days kids feel entitled. They don't get treated to their dream life standards and they feel like YOU should be punished.

My dad and my sister were/are both teachers. My dad quit because he got tired of doing other people's parenting. He would cut kids slack... you turn in your home work you pass. Even if it sucks. Kids couldn't even do that. Why should they? They'll graduate anyways.

Bull****.

Don't blame the guns. Don't blame the system. Blame poor parenting and a generation of pussies.
Don't want to get involved, just want to show my thanks for you understanding what's happening to American culture. It saddens me how much people think they're entitled to everyday.
Old Jan 14, 2013 | 07:41 AM
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Old Jan 14, 2013 | 11:23 AM
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I'm interested to know who, in this thread, actually has kids?

Its funny how everything, including my opinion on lots of things, changed as soon as my child was born.
Old Jan 14, 2013 | 11:28 AM
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Old Jan 14, 2013 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by grambo
I'm interested to know who, in this thread, actually has kids?

Its funny how everything, including my opinion on lots of things, changed as soon as my child was born.
You don't necessarily need to have kids of your own. My sister lives next door to me, and as soon as my niece was born, I went from disliking children A LOT, to loving every cute looking baby and being fascinated by the things that they do. I babysit for my sister sometimes, and children can certainly change your view on things in the world!
Old Jan 14, 2013 | 11:34 AM
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Old Jan 14, 2013 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by w0ng3r
You don't necessarily need to have kids of your own. My sister lives next door to me, and as soon as my niece was born, I went from disliking children A LOT, to loving every cute looking baby and being fascinated by the things that they do. I babysit for my sister sometimes, and children can certainly change your view on things in the world!
So you're answer is that you don't have kids. Correct?
Old Jan 14, 2013 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
So you're answer is that you don't have kids. Correct?
Yes, and your point is? Would you care to comment on my past posts? or are you trying to avoid that?
Old Jan 14, 2013 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by w0ng3r
You don't necessarily need to have kids of your own. My sister lives next door to me, and as soon as my niece was born, I went from disliking children A LOT, to loving every cute looking baby and being fascinated by the things that they do. I babysit for my sister sometimes, and children can certainly change your view on things in the world!
It's really cool that you are very involved with your niece. Kids are interesting for sure. (That was an understatement!) I truly believe that having your own child will definitely change things much more than being around them frequently. When you are ultimiately responsible for every aspect of a little grom's life, it changes the whole game.

Seriously though, that is rad you are involved. I can barely tolerate my brother's kids. haha

Oh, I have a teenager...he's a rad dude.
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It's really cool that you are very involved with your niece. Kids are interesting for sure. That is an understatement! I truly believe that having your own child will definitely change things much more than being around them frequently. When you are ultimiately responsible for every aspect of a little grom's life, it changes the whole game.

Seriously though, that is rad you are involved. I can barly tolerate my brother's kids. haha

Oh, I have a teenager...he's a rad dude.
It's true. I worked with kids for a LONG time. Nursery aged to high school and then college as well. I spent about 7 years working in the church.

Having a child of my own... I wouldn't necessarily say it changed my views all that much but it sure as hell defined a lot of the ones that were just kind of... meh... yeah whatever. You know... like I knew... instantly. LOL.


But yes... good for the dude for being involved with his family... everyone should be. But as we know... that's not always the case.
Old Jan 14, 2013 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by w0ng3r
Yes, and your point is? Would you care to comment on my past posts? or are you trying to avoid that?
My point is that you answered the question with a completely unrelated response. He asked if you had a child. You simply could have said no.


As for responding to your comment... I just don't have any desire to debate anything with you. As I've seen in this thread along with several others... it's just not worth it.

For you it is not a debate or a discussion. Your love to write in circles attacking another persons view without ever truly stating your own or defending it. Then you attack someone for not properly defending theirs. It's a circle of insanity that I am CHOOSING to not get involved in. Too tell you the truth, I wrote several posts responding and deleted them all before posting them because it's just not worth it.

You're clearly educated and love to stroke your brain in front of everyone. But education is not the end all be all of topics involving society and people. You don't have the experience and you have a very very different background than I do.

So me responding to you the way I do is intentional. I have no respect for you or your opinions. So why should I bother explaining myself to you when my statement has no need to be explained?

If you bothered to actually READ and COMPREHEND what I said instead of reading it with the sole purpose of trying to tear it apart to support your ideals then you'd already know where I was coming from. And on that note... I've responded to you with what I intend to respond to you with. The information is all there. Really not to hard to figure out.

Try to find a place that I said the taft shooting and the taft kid where who I was talking about let alone the only thing I was talking about.
Old Jan 14, 2013 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by grambo
I'm interested to know who, in this thread, actually has kids?

Its funny how everything, including my opinion on lots of things, changed as soon as my child was born.
I have a son. I never liked kids. I didn't like spending time around kids. I was the baby in the family so I wasn't raised with younger children around. It's different now. But I'm still not a person who goes blubbering over a new baby and I have no desire to hold someone else baby simply because it's a little baby.
Old Jan 14, 2013 | 12:16 PM
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Never heard that before. What about all the stolen guns out there?

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That's why you report a gun as stolen ASAP
Old Jan 14, 2013 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OneManArmy
You're clearly educated and love to stroke your brain in front of everyone.
wait, w0ng3r is the guy that doesn't read the owners manual for his vehicle

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Old Jan 14, 2013 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by grambo
It's really cool that you are very involved with your niece. Kids are interesting for sure. (That was an understatement!) I truly believe that having your own child will definitely change things much more than being around them frequently. When you are ultimiately responsible for every aspect of a little grom's life, it changes the whole game.

Seriously though, that is rad you are involved. I can barely tolerate my brother's kids. haha

Oh, I have a teenager...he's a rad dude.
Financial responsibilities aside, I'm actually really looking forward to having kids of my own (**** paying for diapers, formula, cloths, toys and college -_-)

Originally Posted by OneManArmy
My point is that you answered the question with a completely unrelated response. He asked if you had a child. You simply could have said no.


As for responding to your comment... I just don't have any desire to debate anything with you. As I've seen in this thread along with several others... it's just not worth it.

For you it is not a debate or a discussion. Your love to write in circles attacking another persons view without ever truly stating your own or defending it. Then you attack someone for not properly defending theirs. It's a circle of insanity that I am CHOOSING to not get involved in. Too tell you the truth, I wrote several posts responding and deleted them all before posting them because it's just not worth it.

You're clearly educated and love to stroke your brain in front of everyone. But education is not the end all be all of topics involving society and people. You don't have the experience and you have a very very different background than I do.

So me responding to you the way I do is intentional. I have no respect for you or your opinions. So why should I bother explaining myself to you when my statement has no need to be explained?

If you bothered to actually READ and COMPREHEND what I said instead of reading it with the sole purpose of trying to tear it apart to support your ideals then you'd already know where I was coming from. And on that note... I've responded to you with what I intend to respond to you with. The information is all there. Really not to hard to figure out.

Try to find a place that I said the taft shooting and the taft kid where who I was talking about let alone the only thing I was talking about.
If you think I'm stroking my own ego when I try to point out the fallacies in your argument, then you have some insecurity issues... I believe people form opinions based on how they perceive facts. Problem is, most of the times, people (including myself) make incorrect analyses of the limited data they have. Personal experiences cloud the issue at hand.

I am treating this more like a debate, and I am hoping to change opinions regarding gun control by pointing out the incorrect trains of thought.

Take for EXAMPLE how pro gun advocates use the second amendment and how it provides them the right to bear arms. The entire argument on why guns such as the AR15 should remain legal despite incidents like Sandy Hook is based entirely on the second amendment, yet they seem to have forgotten the part that states "WELL REGULATED MILITIA".

The situation today is that every tom dick and harry is able to purchase a firearm, legally or otherwise. Arguments made by groups such as the NRA give excuses such as "legal sporting activities" clearly ignore the part regarding a well regulated militia, and it changes the entire discussion regarding gun control as a result.

I shouldn't have to explain why this is a bad thing, but for the sake of being as thorough as I can be on a monday, the fundamentals of the issue/debate is different from what the actual debate has become.

again, merely an example of how misconceptions and poor logic can be very dangerous. I know you are going to take issues on how I brought up gun control (pro gun advocates seem to hate the issue of gun control, regardless of when/where/how it is brought up). But given the situation/topic, it was the first thing that came to mind.


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wait, this the guy that doesn't read the owners manual for his vehicle
I've seen 12 year olds troll better than you,



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