Maybe the people of this state aren't totally fuxored in the head and still remember how to send a message to their politicians....

The "payday loan" was resoundingly shot down and there's an across the board pay cut of 18% for elected officials.

sweet more kick backs im guessing :lol:

8% of eligable voters is not a message. They woke up this morning business as usual. A special election that cost tax payers millions that will net nothing.

And why are the ****ing ballots still printed in any other language than English!
That's a huge waste of money as well as being unconstitutional.

8% of eligable voters is not a message. They woke up this morning business as usual. A special election that cost tax payers millions that will net nothing.

and who's fault is it that the special election even happened? our brilliant state leaders.

And why are the ****ing ballots still printed in any other language than English!
That's a huge waste of money as well as being unconstitutional.

That would be argued as a discriminatory voting requirement. Don't worry though, the Supreme Court has been working on doing away with that whole silly "Civil Rights Act" of the 60's, section 5 (the one requiring location of polling places to be preapproved by the justice department) is already gone. Why do minority groups need polling locations within reasonable distance? That's just silly!

Why do minority groups need polling locations within reasonable distance? That's just silly!

SO they can vote early and vote often. They all got too many DUIs and can't drive. They've all stolen each others cars and noone has a ride? They would have voted, but in the morning the bathroom line is fourteen deep. I think what Paul is saying is if you're granted citizenship and are eligable to vote you should be required to speak english.

That would be argued as a discriminatory voting requirement. Don't worry though, the Supreme Court has been working on doing away with that whole silly "Civil Rights Act" of the 60's, section 5 (the one requiring location of polling places to be preapproved by the justice department) is already gone. Why do minority groups need polling locations within reasonable distance? That's just silly!

I see your point Matt but to be honest, this is a typical response from a Kool-Aid enriched CA "free thinker". How would you define a country?

i think what paul is saying is if you're granted citizenship and are eligable to vote you should be required to speak english.


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I think what Paul is saying is if you're granted citizenship and are eligable to vote you should be required to speak english.

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and another +1 to that

We DO NOT have a declared national language. It is that simple. Until that happens, stop your *****ing.

:suspicious:

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Look it up. The US of A does not have a delcared national language.

i dont doubt that... but when you are in the country and you declare residency in that country.......dont you think you should speak the language?

Look it up. The US of A does not have a delcared national language.

I'll ask you the same question, How would you define a country?

i dont doubt that... but when you are in the country and you declare residency in that country.......dont you think you should speak the language?

I didn't know that freedom of speech was only limited to English?

We DO NOT have a declared national language. It is that simple. Until that happens, stop your *****ing.

English is the "official" language in California.:newbie:

I didn't know that freedom of speech was only limited to English?
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with a language on a ballot card.

Im pretty sure if i moved to mexico, some country in South America...... I woudlnt get far without speaking spanish.....why should it be any different here?

Im pretty sure if i moved to mexico, some country in South America...... I woudlnt get far without speaking spanish.....why should it be any different here?

If the other countries jumped off a bridge.....

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with a language on a ballot card.

What DOES language on a ballot card have to do with?

What DOES language on a ballot card have to do with?

The last ballot measures were all designed that, if passed, the state would save money.

I pointed out that if the state wanted to save money, it should only print the ballots in English, which is the official language here in California.

Just think how many teachers would still have their jobs if the millions of dollars that are wasted on printing Unconstitutional multi lingual ballots instead went to education.

i agree they should have to speak/read english.

german would be our language if we decided on one at teh end of the revol war

If the other countries jumped off a bridge.....

they already have ;)

no theyt didnt we pushed them :lol:

tuche sir, tuche :lol:

The last ballot measures were all designed that, if passed, the state would save money.

I pointed out that if the state wanted to save money, it should only print the ballots in English, which is the official language here in California.

Just think how many teachers would still have their jobs if the millions of dollars that are wasted on printing Unconstitutional multi lingual ballots instead went to education.

I'd like to see some actual data to show that millions were spent printing ballots in other languages. Think about how many Cali school teachers would still be employed if the state actually came up with a viable budget instead of guessing and winding up $15-21 billion short. I guess they can't even tell how much they overspent.


Where in the constitution is there a "no English=no vote" clause? I could not find anything binding the English language with public voting. English is deemed the official language of California to the extent that it does not conflict with our rights provided in the US constitution.

ARTICLE 2 VOTING, INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM, AND RECALL (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?waisdocid=9659985560+0+0+0&waisaction=retrieve)

ARTICLE 3 STATE OF CALIFORNIA (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?waisdocid=9664248761+0+0+0&waisaction=retrieve) (see Sec. 6 for "official language" provisions)

Financial issues shouldn't be solely dictated by financial issues, and visa versa.

Nvm, idc.

I'd like to see some actual data to show that millions were spent printing ballots in other languages. Think about how many Cali school teachers would still be employed if the state actually came up with a viable budget instead of guessing and winding up $15-21 billion short. I guess they can't even tell how much they overspent.


Where in the constitution is there a "no English=no vote" clause? I could not find anything binding the English language with public voting. English is deemed the official language of California to the extent that it does not conflict with our rights provided in the US constitution.

ARTICLE 2 VOTING, INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM, AND RECALL (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?waisdocid=9659985560+0+0+0&waisaction=retrieve)

ARTICLE 3 STATE OF CALIFORNIA (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?waisdocid=9664248761+0+0+0&waisaction=retrieve) (see Sec. 6 for "official language" provisions)

Financial issues shouldn't be solely dictated by financial issues, and visa versa.
The dollars in which it costs to provide information packets, materials, translators, ballots, etc would have to be a significant amount.
You might as well be shooting in the dark without a clear understanding of what you are voting on. It's hard enough to get people who are literate and speak English to understand what they are voting for.

The dollars in which it costs to provide information packets, materials, translators, ballots, etc would have to be a significant amount.
You might as well be shooting in the dark without a clear understanding of what you are voting on. It's hard enough to get people who are literate and speak English to understand what they are voting for.

That's an inherent problem with any voting system. I'm sure our own congressmen and senators don't fully understand what they are voting on half the time.

I do concede that English should be the primary language for voting since it's the common language. However, I'm not convinced that it is in fact "constitutional" to make it it the required language for the voting process. I don't believe that assimilation to our common language should be required by everyone who chooses to participate in the voting process. If someone wants to be an American citizen without speaking the language yet would like to actively participate in the political system, I feel this should be their right.

I don't think it's cut and dry, but I think the focus should be on personal freedoms and not the state's voting expense budget.

do u speak anything besides english?

do u speak anything besides english?

Who me? No, why? Does that give me the right to tell what language other have to speak?

just asking :)

And why are the ****ing ballots still printed in any other language than English!
That's a huge waste of money as well as being unconstitutional.

Interesting. Mind sharing which constitutional amendment covers that?

german would be our language if we decided on one at teh end of the revol war

Yay, someone that knows history! :D

Interesting. Mind sharing which constitutional amendment covers that?

Article 3, section 6 (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_3)
SEC. 6. (a) Purpose.
English is the common language of the people of the United States
of America and the State of California. This section is intended to
preserve, protect and strengthen the English language, and not to
supersede any of the rights guaranteed to the people by this
Constitution.
(b) English as the Official Language of California.
English is the official language of the State of California.
(c) Enforcement.
The Legislature shall enforce this section by appropriate
legislation. The Legislature and officials of the State of
California shall take all steps necessary to insure that the role of
English as the common language of the State of California is
preserved and enhanced. The Legislature shall make no law which
diminishes or ignores the role of English as the common language of
the State of California.
(d) Personal Right of Action and Jurisdiction of Courts.
Any person who is a resident of or doing business in the State of
California shall have standing to sue the State of California to
enforce this section, and the Courts of record of the State of
California shall have jurisdiction to hear cases brought to enforce
this section. The Legislature may provide reasonable and appropriate
limitations on the time and manner of suits brought under this
section.


Yay, someone that knows history! :D

And the turkey should be our national bird!

Article 3, section 6 (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_3)




And the turkey should be our national bird!

So we've established that English is the official language, which is great for the court system and public office, but voting ballots?

You're streeeeeeeeeeeeetching.

Article 3, section 6 (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_3)

Ahhhh you meant the state constitution, gotcha. I'm still not sure why that would make printing things in multiple languages unconstitutional, though. I could see that if we printed ballots in every language except English, hah!

And the turkey should be our national bird!

Trudat!

So we've established that English is the official language, which is great for the court system and public office, but voting ballots?

You're streeeeeeeeeeeeetching.

Maybe, but unless the ballot is printed in every language, then it must be printed in only English.

My immigrant mother & grandparents didn't have the "luxury" of having a ballot printed in Viennese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viennese_German), and yet they still figured out how to correctly vote.

They learned English.

Maybe, but unless the ballot is printed in every language, then it must be printed in only English.

My immigrant mother & grandparents didn't have the "luxury" of having a ballot printed in Viennese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viennese_German), and yet they still figured out how to correctly vote.

They learned English.

I don't understand why this has to be an absolute. Ultimately, the multiple language ballots promote more voting. Can't get much more American than to participate in your local representative democracy.

What's the goal, encouraging more voters, or hoping more people assimilate to our common language because it makes us more comfortable and immigrants should not be allowed any luxuries not offered 60 years ago?

Speak English or GTFO!!!!

Maybe, but unless the ballot is printed in every language, then it must be printed in only English.

My immigrant mother & grandparents didn't have the "luxury" of having a ballot printed in Viennese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viennese_German), and yet they still figured out how to correctly vote.

They learned English.

haha "Viennese." C'mon Paul, it's Deutsch. ;)

don't you need to be a US citizen to vote?

when you become a US citizen, do they teach the classes in other languages? Don't you have to learn a bit of english as it is to pass the class and take the pledge?

if you are going to vote in our state, you should at least be able to speak and understand enough of the language that is official for the state?

I don't understand why this has to be an absolute. Ultimately, the multiple language ballots promote more voting. Can't get much more American than to participate in your local representative democracy.

What's the goal, encouraging more voters, or hoping more people assimilate to our common language because it makes us more comfortable and immigrants should not be allowed any luxuries not offered 60 years ago?

don't you need to be a US citizen to vote?

when you become a US citizen, do they teach the classes in other languages? Don't you have to learn a bit of english as it is to pass the class and take the pledge?

if you are going to vote in our state, you should at least be able to speak and understand enough of the language that is official for the state?

General Naturalization Requirements (http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=12e596981298d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCR D)

Applicants for naturalization must be able to read, write, speak, and understand words in ordinary usage in the English language. Applicants exempt from this requirement are those who on the date of filing:

haha "Viennese." C'mon Paul, it's Deutsch. ;)

It may not be a huge difference to you, but please try to be more seeeeensitive to those to whom it matters. :)

It may not be a huge difference to you, but please try to be more seeeeensitive to those to whom it matters. :)

pfft. I'm Viennese and I don't give a ****. ;) Besides, if you were to apply a name to the dialect, "Austrian" would be more accurate than "Viennese" as a name.

General Naturalization Requirements (http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=12e596981298d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCR D)

Now that makes more sense. I didn't realize basic English was already a requirement for citizenship. Now that you've brought it up, posting ballots in other languages would partial undermine the purpose of the citizenship process.

I will quietly concede this argument to all of you and revert back to browsing internet pron.

don't you need to be a US citizen to vote?

when you become a US citizen, do they teach the classes in other languages? Don't you have to learn a bit of english as it is to pass the class and take the pledge?

if you are going to vote in our state, you should at least be able to speak and understand enough of the language that is official for the state?

Right on the button :thumb:

CA is ****ed, california is doomed. We have a state that obviously took advantage of how money works from the Fed. IE State of california = drunkards, Fed = Supplier of alcohol. The Fed (obviously knowing we're gonna take advantage of the system) is actually baiting All americans to do it, and therefore destroy us and control us when the time comes.

It's very simple logic, the way this debt works. The more money you have, the more in debt you are UNLESS, you invest in other stocks over seas or gold. That might be the only thing saving you.

Or dont be a retard and take out loans you really shouldnt in the first place...

^^^^^^ you make 20-25k a year and want a 250,000+ house loan?
(hey look boss we got another sucker here!)
Sureeee here you go.
(boss we'll see that sucker in a few years, hahahahaha!)

/end

^haha yea /end of everything :laugh: