WTFM8 going down to tracy in the morning to do some apt hunting

http://www.endofworld.net/

:monkey:

hopefully I wont wake up in the morning head hurting too much to lifting and puking 3 times by 9:00AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Xt-XeWnHM

:cool:

:monkey:

hopefully I wont wake up in the morning head hurting too much to lifting and puking 3 times by 9:00AM

Flu shot FTW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Xt-XeWnHM

:cool:

I see your hip-hop violin and raise you this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dr0d-Rk-jo

edit: this one too http://youtube.com/watch?v=AQ5CQ6AFTh4

Flu shot FTW!

lolz @ flu shot

Flu shot FTW!

nah, it was a horrid migraine headache

I see your hip-hop violin and raise you this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dr0d-Rk-jo

edit: this one too http://youtube.com/watch?v=AQ5CQ6AFTh4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SkzAJs7NutM

I win

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SkzAJs7NutM

I win

hahaha, ok, you do.

but the band I put up is actually pretty cool to see live. We went into Salinas to watch this other ****ty band play, and while we were standing there all of a suddent we were like "uhhh....do I hear a cello? wtf?" and it changed to "uhhh...do I hear a cello with distortion?" A few weeks ago I saw them in Monterey too. I was walking down the street (11:30 at night) and saw two guys ith a violin and cello and was like "it couldn't be" but it did be

in regards to the GH3 **** from yesterday
http://lookingforpower.net/Gifs/1.gif


linked just incase ***s get angry for dodgin lol

Mornin'

Finishing my paper.

procrastinating getting ready for work because I know when I get there I have to fill out two orders ASAP....and then do another one at some point in the day

Any know of an external hdd case that can accomodate multiple 3.5" hdds in one case? I'm looking to get a laptop, get rid of my desktop and take the hdds out and still keep them, but would prefer not to have a bunch of external hdd cases.
:tia:

Any know of an external hdd case that can accomodate multiple 3.5" hdds in one case? I'm looking to get a laptop, get rid of my desktop and take the hdds out and still keep them, but would prefer not to have a bunch of external hdd cases.
:tia:

by "multiple" how many do you mean?

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/CASEKIT35DUL/

and theres always this:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3143432&Sku=D162-1000

:banana: yay for pajama pants doubling as long underwear on this the coldest of days (not really, but pretty cold and wet)

by "multiple" how many do you mean?

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/CASEKIT35DUL/

and theres always this:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3143432&Sku=D162-1000

Thanks man :)

I was looking through newegg and hadn't found anything yet.
Right now I have 4 drives, but will only use 3 of them as external hdd's.
btw - the hdd's are IDE & I'd prefer the case to have either USB 2.0 or Ethernet.

good morning

hey rivers if you're still down here around 11am give me a call. Come over the mountain and lets do lunch

Any know of an external hdd case that can accomodate multiple 3.5" hdds in one case? I'm looking to get a laptop, get rid of my desktop and take the hdds out and still keep them, but would prefer not to have a bunch of external hdd cases.
:tia:

http://www.drobo.com/

:ywia:

Whoops, this is SATA I/II only...no IDE.

Hi.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61018&stc=1&d=1197999531

Hi.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61018&stc=1&d=1197999531

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Hi.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61018&stc=1&d=1197999531

36 days of uptime? Doesn't that mean you're like 800 patches behind?

We have an NT4 machine here thats been running constantly since 1998, only going down for power outages.

Thanks man :)

I was looking through newegg and hadn't found anything yet.
Right now I have 4 drives, but will only use 3 of them as external hdd's.
btw - the hdd's are IDE & I'd prefer the case to have either USB 2.0 or Ethernet.

You should definitely go network-attached. Connect it in to your router, share out the disks and you'll have access to your data anytime from any pc on the network.

****ing great....another episode of SRiC Computer Tech Chat.

http://www.drobo.com/

:ywia:

Whoops, this is SATA I/II only...no IDE.

Shooot. I'd really like to buy a nice big NAS, but can't afford to do that atm. I'll probably end up getting a case that holds more hdds if I can. Thanks for lookin' out :)


I'm also looking at this laptop right now:
Dell Vostro 1500 $549
- intel 2 duo t5270 1.4ghz 800mhz fsb/2mb cache
- 2gb ddr2 ram
- 160 gb hdd
- 8x dvd+rw

Those are the main things I'm concerned about since I don't play videos games really anymore on my PC and any that I do play are a few years old anyways. I'll probably format the laptop and put my xp pro on there. What do you guys think? Honestly...I just do hw, music, watch videos, browse online and thats about it with my computer so I figure I'd buy a laptop and consolidate space and when I move on out I won't have to lug a big computer with me.

****ing great....another episode of SRiC Computer Tech Chat.

+1.

You should definitely go network-attached. Connect it in to your router, share out the disks and you'll have access to your data anytime from any pc on the network.

I really want to but damn it's alot of $. Kinda why I'm trying to find an external hdd case with USB 2.0 & Ethernet. I was looking at it primarily for that point of access at any computer and especially when I go to a friend's house and they need to leech stuff off my hdd.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/slipknot666gus/madweed.jpg

Paul, can you help me out here?

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2056892#post2056892

Hey Furley...

If someone offered me this much weed, how much work would it get them?

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/slipknot666gus/bowl_of_buds.jpg

Shooot. I'd really like to buy a nice big NAS, but can't afford to do that atm. I'll probably end up getting a case that holds more hdds if I can. Thanks for lookin' out :)


I'm also looking at this laptop right now:
Dell Vostro 1500 $549
- intel 2 duo t5270 1.4ghz 800mhz fsb/2mb cache
- 2gb ddr2 ram
- 160 gb hdd
- 8x dvd+rw

Those are the main things I'm concerned about since I don't play videos games really anymore on my PC and any that I do play are a few years old anyways. I'll probably format the laptop and put my xp pro on there. What do you guys think? Honestly...I just do hw, music, watch videos, browse online and thats about it with my computer so I figure I'd buy a laptop and consolidate space and when I move on out I won't have to lug a big computer with me.

Laptops suck.

Just get a cheap mobo & case and put all your HDD's in there & have a little file server

Shooot. I'd really like to buy a nice big NAS, but can't afford to do that atm. I'll probably end up getting a case that holds more hdds if I can. Thanks for lookin' out :)


I'm also looking at this laptop right now:
Dell Vostro 1500 $549
- intel 2 duo t5270 1.4ghz 800mhz fsb/2mb cache
- 2gb ddr2 ram
- 160 gb hdd
- 8x dvd+rw

Those are the main things I'm concerned about since I don't play videos games really anymore on my PC and any that I do play are a few years old anyways. I'll probably format the laptop and put my xp pro on there. What do you guys think? Honestly...I just do hw, music, watch videos, browse online and thats about it with my computer so I figure I'd buy a laptop and consolidate space and when I move on out I won't have to lug a big computer with me.

If you can swing it, I'd get a faster processor. You can add RAM later but changing out your proc may be impossible (or very cost-prohibitive). It'd be better to spend $100 or so more now and not have to worry about it.

Also, watch out with laptops that come with Vista. Sometimes the hardware they use (integrated components on the mobo like vid/net/sound, for example) don't have an XP driver and you'll find that you can't go back.

Laptops suck.

Just get a cheap mobo & case and put all your HDD's in there & have a little file server

Eh...well I don't do anything super important where I would need a desktop and its just obviously easier to transport if I need to. I may make a little file server out if it....I've always tinkered with that idea. Run something simple on it like leave xp on it.

I plan on moving sometime this up comming year and my job may require me to move from time to time so having a big heavy desktop to transport wouldn't be ideal and I wouldn't trust my stuff to just be in the hands of others. I could actually get the laptop probably for $100 cheaper so it would be worth it to me to consildate.

The ONLY thing I require is that I want to keep the dual monitor function and with the other VGA port there I can still retain my other monitor if I choose.

Brainiac dumb dumbs bust a scientifical.

Paul, can you help me out here?

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2056892#post2056892
I was at LIC last week and they have a bunch of rear diffs laying around. As far as condition and what gear ratio they are.... I dunno. But if Paul doesn't have one or something you could try them. Just throwing it out there.

If you can swing it, I'd get a faster processor. You can add RAM later but changing out your proc may be impossible (or very cost-prohibitive). It'd be better to spend $100 or so more now and not have to worry about it.

Also, watch out with laptops that come with Vista. Sometimes the hardware they use (integrated components on the mobo like vid/net/sound, for example) don't have an XP driver and you'll find that you can't go back.

Well right now my desktop runs 1gb of DDR400 and thats sufficient for me, so Ram isn't an issue and I'd be happy with the 2gb it comes with. The processor won't of course be as fast as my 3.2ghz P4 H/T 1mb cache, but it will still get the job done. I may think about getting a faster processor possibly and if I really do need to.

I'm not dead set on this laptop, but this model with the current specs certainly meets and exceeds my requirements. I'll look into it more soon, but as for now...LUUUUNCH! :)

Thanks man :)

I was looking through newegg and hadn't found anything yet.
Right now I have 4 drives, but will only use 3 of them as external hdd's.
btw - the hdd's are IDE & I'd prefer the case to have either USB 2.0 or Ethernet.

I had limited time, so I didnt look at any specs

36 days of uptime? Doesn't that mean you're like 800 patches behind?

It's a work puter, we don't need no stinkin' patches! :p

Actually, EDS controls each release of XP patches, and they haven't pushed any out in that timeframe.

Well right now my desktop runs 1gb of DDR400 and thats sufficient for me, so Ram isn't an issue and I'd be happy with the 2gb it comes with. The processor won't of course be as fast as my 3.2ghz P4 H/T 1mb cache, but it will still get the job done. I may think about getting a faster processor possibly and if I really do need to.

I'm not dead set on this laptop, but this model with the current specs certainly meets and exceeds my requirements. I'll look into it more soon, but as for now...LUUUUNCH! :)

That's the point I was making. 2gb of RAM will be sufficient for your needs, but trust me, that proc is sorta slow. I have a 1.66GHz core 2 duo in my laptop and I wish it had a bit more juice, and I'm not doing gaming or anything. This is my work machine.

What I'm saying is, getting a faster processor at build time is much cheaper and easier than dealing with trying to do it later on (if you even can).

Also, watch out with laptops that come with Vista. Sometimes the hardware they use (integrated components on the mobo like vid/net/sound, for example) don't have an XP driver and you'll find that you can't go back.

What he said ^^^

as a matter of fact im working on a gateway right now that someone bought new & switched to XP then couldnt find drivers

Brainiac dumb dumbs bust a scientifical.


While I was also born to roll, I prefer to not play when it comes to my bass.

I wonder if I blasted
a little Elvis Presley
would they pull me over and attempt to arrest me?

I really doubt doubt it
they'd probably start dancing
jumpin on my tip and
pissin in they pants

What he said ^^^

as a matter of fact im working on a gateway right now that someone bought new & switched to XP then couldnt find drivers

That **** pisses me off. I want to buy a new PC next month but I don't ****ing want Vista but Dell doesn't offer an option to build out the model I want with XP. I'm getting non-integrated video and sound, but I'm worried about the integrated ethernet and some other devices onboard that may hose me up if I go back to XP :(

Doesn't Dell know whether they have XP drivers available for integrated components on their own computers?

That **** pisses me off. I want to buy a new PC next month but I don't ****ing want Vista but Dell doesn't offer an option to build out the model I want with XP. I'm getting non-integrated video and sound, but I'm worried about the integrated ethernet and some other devices onboard that may hose me up if I go back to XP :(

The mobo manufacturers all still make xp drivers for all their boards, just find the model number of your mobo & go to the manuf. site.

What he said ^^^

as a matter of fact im working on a gateway right now that someone bought new & switched to XP then couldnt find drivers

Ya I'm aware of that. Which ever laptop I choose I'm making sure it can come with XP so I know the hardware is definently compatible with Vista. I really have no intentions of using vista at all since XP is very stable and I have no reason to upgrade to the new OS anyways.

Luckily I can still purchase the laptop even though its under "small business." Apparently I may be able to buy it through work...now its time to see how much of a price different it may be when also upgrading the cpu :)

f the rain.

f the rain.

You prolly would... :biggrin1:

That **** pisses me off. I want to buy a new PC next month but I don't ****ing want Vista but Dell doesn't offer an option to build out the model I want with XP. I'm getting non-integrated video and sound, but I'm worried about the integrated ethernet and some other devices onboard that may hose me up if I go back to XP :(

Just build your own PC.

Just build your own PC.

I'm so over building my own PCs. It's a pain in the ass, and looking at some basic costs, getting a built PC through Dell will be about the same price as buying all the **** from Frys, but without the time effort of doing the build. I do the build stuff all day every day at work, I don't want to do it at home :|

Just build your own PC.

I personally like to custom build my own PCs, but then again when bigger companies throw out bundles and particular specs on a PC thats too good of a deal...sometimes you can't replicate that and if you do it can be pricey :(

I'm so over building my own PCs. It's a pain in the ass, and looking at some basic costs, getting a built PC through Dell will be about the same price as buying all the **** from Frys, but without the time effort of doing the build. I do the build stuff all day every day at work, I don't want to do it at home :|

Girly man

Ill build you one for $$$ :p

Girly man

Ill build you one for $$$ :p

Eh, I'm just not in to it anymore. I like doing hardware work on my servers at work, but when I get home I just want something that works. I want to play my games and get use out of it, not spend time putting it together or messing with the internal parts, etc.

Plug in. Boot up. Enjoy.

Eh, I'm just not in to it anymore. I like doing hardware work on my servers at work, but when I get home I just want something that works. I want to play my games and get use out of it, not spend time putting it together or messing with the internal parts, etc.

Plug in. Boot up. Enjoy.

hmmm for $130 I can get the 2ghz version of that dell compared to the 1.4ghz. I probably will fork up the extra $130 just for the extra 600mhz.

I'm so over building my own PCs. It's a pain in the ass, and looking at some basic costs, getting a built PC through Dell will be about the same price as buying all the **** from Frys, but without the time effort of doing the build. I do the build stuff all day every day at work, I don't want to do it at home :|

Screw Fry's and their used car salespeople.

I just order all the crap online (newegg, nerds, zipzoomfly, etc.) Of course, I get a nice little discount on processors so it's worth it for me. ;)

I personally like to custom build my own PCs, but then again when bigger companies throw out bundles and particular specs on a PC thats too good of a deal...sometimes you can't replicate that and if you do it can be pricey :(

The only problem is that box builders usually skimp out on one or more components to make their price point.

Of course for 95% of buyers it doesn't really matter.

Screw Fry's and their used car salespeople.

I just order all the crap online (newegg, nerds, zipzoomfly, etc.) Of course, I get a nice little discount on processors so it's worth it for me. ;)

ohhhh....thats rrrrriiiiight.

hmmm... :eyebrows:

Eh, I'm just not in to it anymore. I like doing hardware work on my servers at work, but when I get home I just want something that works. I want to play my games and get use out of it, not spend time putting it together or messing with the internal parts, etc.

Plug in. Boot up. Enjoy.

I just dont like prebuilts because of how SLOOOOOW they all are... they use the ****tiest components to put em together

I just dont like prebuilts because of how SLOOOOOW they all are... they use the ****tiest components to put em together

That's part of it but it's also that they put so much extra **** software on them that loads at boot. Wipe out the OS and reinstall with your own setup and that's 90% of the issue.

Of course, I get a nice little discount on processors so it's worth it for me. ;)
If you wanna share, that might create enough of a price difference for me to build my own...

While I was also born to roll, I prefer to not play when it comes to my bass.

I wonder if I blasted
a little Elvis Presley
would they pull me over and attempt to arrest me?

I really doubt doubt it
they'd probably start dancing
jumpin on my tip and
pissin in they pants

So catch me if you can
If you can here's a donut
Cuz once you drive away
yo. you know I'm gonna go nuts

So catch me if you can
If you can here's a donut
Cuz once you drive away
yo. you know I'm gonna go nuts

Yes. I love that song.

arg. People in this class are getting confused with the difference between subnets and subnet masks and how they work.

Yes. I love that song.

I actually heard that song on the radio last weekend and I was stoked until the the dj said "now thats real old school!!". I remember as a kid thinking damn I hate old school and the old gayasses who listen to it.

You should definitely go network-attached. Connect it in to your router, share out the disks and you'll have access to your data anytime from any pc on the network.

NAS ftw

Shooot. I'd really like to buy a nice big NAS, but can't afford to do that atm. I'll probably end up getting a case that holds more hdds if I can. Thanks for lookin' out :)


I'm also looking at this laptop right now:
Dell Vostro 1500 $549
- intel 2 duo t5270 1.4ghz 800mhz fsb/2mb cache
- 2gb ddr2 ram
- 160 gb hdd
- 8x dvd+rw

Those are the main things I'm concerned about since I don't play videos games really anymore on my PC and any that I do play are a few years old anyways. I'll probably format the laptop and put my xp pro on there. What do you guys think? Honestly...I just do hw, music, watch videos, browse online and thats about it with my computer so I figure I'd buy a laptop and consolidate space and when I move on out I won't have to lug a big computer with me.

you cant afford a nas but your buying a a whole PC? a 2tb nas is like a grand..... or buy one of the nas cases and drop your own drives in

NAS ftw



you cant afford a nas but your buying a a whole PC? a 2tb nas is like a grand..... or buy one of the nas cases and drop your own drives in

Well my priority is a new laptop. I don't require a NAS atm. I have my other hdd's I'd still like to make use of and just use in external hdd cases instead or a drop in NAS box like you stated. I'm going to use my current hdd's until they crap out because for the time being I don't need to get rid of perfectly good hdd's or have the need to get bigger/faster hdds. I may consolidate them to one larger hdd over time, but not right now.

arg. People in this class are getting confused with the difference between subnets and subnet masks and how they work.

We just went over that in my networking class... still don't fully understand it.

We just went over that in my networking class... still don't fully understand it.

Its easy.

One is a subnet, the other is a mask for the subnet.

We just went over that in my networking class... still don't fully understand it.

what don't you get?

Well my priority is a new laptop. I don't require a NAS atm. I have my other hdd's I'd still like to make use of and just use in external hdd cases instead or a drop in NAS box like you stated. I'm going to use my current hdd's until they crap out because for the time being I don't need to get rid of perfectly good hdd's or have the need to get bigger/faster hdds. I may consolidate them to one larger hdd over time, but not right now.

people that don't understand redundancy make me laugh

what don't you get?

just teach them CIDRs its easier to understand

just show them this pic... its from the IPv4 article on cidr's http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Subnet_diagram.png

Now a guy in here, who yesterday said he's been doing UNIX for 13 years, didn't know how to find the major and minor number of a device http://www.turbocheese.net/hosted/uh.gif

Any know of an external hdd case that can accomodate multiple 3.5" hdds in one case? I'm looking to get a laptop, get rid of my desktop and take the hdds out and still keep them, but would prefer not to have a bunch of external hdd cases.
:tia:

Okay, here's an idea. Setup your PC in the garage attached to your network with the drives shared. Boom, insta-NAS! (unless you were planning on selling the PC)

I got ****ed in court

I got ****ed in court

http://kevinjmcdaniel.googlepages.com/stopbreakingthelaw.jpg

I got ****ed in court

didn't bring the lube huh..

Okay, here's an idea. Setup your PC in the garage attached to your network with the drives shared. Boom, insta-NAS! (unless you were planning on selling the PC)
I actually do plan on giving my current PC to a friend thats moving.

people that don't understand redundancy make me laugh

No, I understand it. I have other hdd's I can copy the stuff over to and leave the hdd be.

I actually do plan on giving my current PC to a friend thats moving.

How about not giving your PC away? That's what I would do.

http://kevinjmcdaniel.googlepages.com/stopbreakingthelaw.jpg

Havnt seen that one for a while :lol:

Havnt seen that one for a while :lol:

Just a little friendly legal advice. :D

How about not giving your PC away? That's what I would do.

My friend is moving away for college and he doesn't have a computer or the funding to really get a new comp since he spent his money saved on school. I don't mind giving it to him since the laptop will continue to serve my needs the same way the desktop does. I'm just going to use external hdd cases for the time being.

what don't you get?

What exactly the subnet is. If your IP is 128.128.128.1 and your subnet mask is 255.255.255.0, how do you find the subnet? Is it just the 128.128.128?

Havnt seen that one for a while :lol:

how bad?

I got ****ed in court

you should see my little brother. he just got off probation on the 13th after 2 years and went to court today for a different charge and got another year. im sure he had fun during those five days :rofl:

Status report:

1997 Legacy Outback: obtained from body shop after 4 weeks.
HHUUUURRRRR: returned to the foul depths from whence it came.
Impossible to source JDM Legacy rear light section: installed.
Retint at Eclipse, on Bertolucci's dime: scheduled.
New wheels for wagon: waiting in corner of freshly tiled garage.
Hooptywagon: back in action.

Sybir: excessively happy about a 10 year old car with a quarter million miles on it.

check.
check check.

we pimpin.

Awww, new wheels for the wagon? What a nice welcome home present.

To be fair, it seems to happen every few months anyways :rofl:

Yeah, I know, it was supposed to be laced with a bit of sarcasm. ;)

I know, I seem to remember having rew rims waiting for it the last time, too ;)

What exactly the subnet is. If your IP is 128.128.128.1 and your subnet mask is 255.255.255.0, how do you find the subnet? Is it just the 128.128.128?

Peep dis..

Subnets basically allow you to take a network, and create sub-networks to increase the amount of addresses available to you. Additionally, it allows you to logically divide your network in to easier to understand, and faster to route, sub networks. There are other benefits, such as faster routing and less network congestion due to additional routers/subnets. I won't list all of 'em.

Lets say you had a 192.168 address. Your network would be 192.168.0.0. You could subnet that out like:

192.168.0.0 -> 192.168.254.254

Or to expand:

192.168.0.0-254
192.168.1.0-254
192.168.2.0-254
192.168.3.0-254

etc.

Your sub networks are the 192.168.1.0, 192.168.2.0, 192.168.3.0...

The subnet mask, then, identifies the subnetwork on which a host communicates, and also the size of the subnet.

Does that help at all? Frankly, I understand all of the concepts here, but I had to do a bunch of googling to figure out how to explain it properly. I hope I did ok :\

Matt nailed it.

If I can add, think of it as a way to reduce the amount of data you're constantly having to send/route.

If you've got a standard IP, that's 32 bits, right?
192.168.10.50, let's say.

In order to reduce the amount your routing appliances and applications have to reference, your subnet mask breaks down what's assumed for all internal network addresses into a network portion and a host portion. The host portion is what you'd call your subnet; it's what's contained within your masked portion. With your subnet mask, you'd assume 192.168.10, and the 254 routable addresses contained in that network address would be your routable subnet.

So, if you have, in your example, 128.128.128.1 as your full network IP, and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0, your 128.128.128.x is your network portion, and the x.x.x.1 is your subnet. By using a subnet mask, your routing can essentially ignore the first 24 bits (or 16 bits, or 8 bits, or whatever, based on your subnet mask).

So, if you had larger IP space to manage, you'd do 128.128.x.x, and your subnet mask would be 255.255.0.0. That means your appliance can then bypass the first 16 bits and route using the subnet address.

It's basically a way to say "ignore everything above this level" because it'll be the same. When you're managing thousands and thousands of packets a second, halving the amount of routing data and shortening processing time pays big dividends.

Make sense? That's the way I've always understood it and explained it. I work for Cisco, but I ain't a network guy and don't deal with the stuff regularly and haven't for a while. When you want to talk about fun, ****ed up **** that causes headaches like cnames and a-records for DNS routing, that's when I start shooting people :D

Matt nailed it.

If I can add, think of it as a way to reduce the amount of data you're constantly having to send/route.

If you've got a standard IP, that's 32 bits, right?
192.168.10.50, let's say.

In order to reduce the amount your routing appliances and applications have to reference, your subnet mask breaks down what's assumed for all internal network addresses into a network portion and a host portion. The host portion is what you'd call your subnet; it's what's contained within your masked portion. With your subnet mask, you'd assume 192.168.10, and the 254 routable addresses contained in that network address would be your routable subnet.

So, if you have, in your example, 128.128.128.1 as your full network IP, and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0, your 128.128.128.x is your network portion, and the x.x.x.1 is your subnet. By using a subnet mask, your routing can essentially ignore the first 24 bits (or 16 bits, or 8 bits, or whatever, based on your subnet mask).

So, if you had larger IP space to manage, you'd do 128.128.x.x, and your subnet mask would be 255.255.0.0. That means your appliance can then bypass the first 16 bits and route using the subnet address.

It's basically a way to say "ignore everything above this level" because it'll be the same. When you're managing thousands and thousands of packets a second, halving the amount of routing data and shortening processing time pays big dividends.

Make sense? That's the way I've always understood it and explained it. I work for Cisco, but I ain't a network guy and don't deal with the stuff regularly and haven't for a while. When you want to talk about fun, ****ed up **** that causes headaches like cnames and a-records for DNS routing, that's when I start shooting people :D

oooo oooooo ooo you work for cisco!?!?!?! can you come setup my stupid ****ing uverse?

oh...wai.... I work there too... and not as a network tech either :'( :sad:
webinar HQ unite!:biggrin1:

btw.. hehe