Ah whats the best way to put this,.


Oh I know, I had a slight car fire tonight. Sent my car back to get it re-re-redone and someone reused some parts I'm thinking. Well.. What really saved my car was my Fire Extinguisher

I just got it towed back home. My ****ing weekend trip to phx is off.


So... Let me list out the things that has happen.

ME: I heard you were the TOP Subaru shop in townheres my car!

Them: Hey how are you.

ME: Here is my turbo. Please install it into my car. Let me know if there is anything else I need.

Them: Well maybe a fuel pump.

Me: ok then .. Lets get it done.
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5pm next day......

ME: Hi How did it go...

Them: Well you car has a really bad vibration,Shakes the whole car.... Steering wheel and peddle box bad.. It was pulling timing on the dyno, The knock sensor is in over load. who ever installed that tmic is on crack.

ME: Well let me see whats viberating. Oh look there... The tmic is not installed correctly... Didnt you guys take that off to install the turbo?

Them: Ah oh yeah..

ME: You ran my car on the ****ing dyno like that and tried to tune it???

Them... Ah well yeah

ME.. Let me pay my bill.. Thanks.. I try and fix this at work since you guys look busy.
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At work no luck.

Closer inspection finds p.e. waste gate diaphram bolts loose. WTF! TMIC Slamming up on front strut bar.. Turbo waste gate braket hitting TMIC! WTF WTF......

Few days later..

ME: Hi its me again...

Look at all this...

Them: Well lets try and fix it..

ME: OK!! LETS... This is not the type of work I have come to expect from this place after hearing soo much good around the internet.

Them.. OK I think we have it fixed. But you can run the strut bar with a aps tmic, Its going to hit,

ME.. WTF I have before without any problems...

Them: Cant do it,,

Me.. ok what ever. Takes it off put in the trunk.
Drives off. See egt pegs at 1800* +
Plugs in delta dash see's 103% idc ****!!

Few day go by...............

Time to go back.

Them: Lets retune it..

ME: Heres the keys.

Them: There you go.

ME: Thanks

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Driving around.. logging. 98-99% idc... WTF...... Huge boost cut or something ..... TMIC slapping firewall. On the trip home from work the A/C stops...

Get home and find..
Start taking off the tmic to see whats up with the a/c. WTF my bov is loose and the bolt is strip that holds it down.

Swap out the APS tmic and reinstall the STi tmic. fixes bov vac leak problem. Car starts to run better.

Found busted a/c line. APS tmic had contact with a/c line and punched a hole in it.
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Call shop.. talk with owner.

Now cars is running ok. I had to take a trip to L.V.
On the way back.. My down pipe looses a nut. (APS 3.5) Bellmouth to top downpipe been tight for 20k miles before turbo install with never a problem

Take it back for them to look at it. Oh Snap its missing two nuts out of three and the gaskets blown.


Tell them.. Hey we need to get this fixed.

THEM: Well we will order new gaskets and I'll give you some used pe 850 injectors for your problems and you can ave your a/c fixed yourself.

ME: well ok. let me thing about it.

2 Weeks later I call

OK lets get this done. Order the parts. downpipe gasket, o-rings for fuel injectors. I drop off my Aps tmic to get fixed.

2 weeks later.
Got most the parts in. Drop your car off tuesday we'll have it till friday.

OK

Well ........ I drop it off for everything to get repaired but the a/c line. Even bought some spark plugs and wanted to pick up a battery tie down kit,

Picked it up today. Everything looks ok. But .. I'm a little not happy with all the b.s. in the past, But hey **** happens right? Maybe its just a fluke..

Well on the way home I am driving.. I grab the old injectors and take a look at them... Ah nice. Toss them back to the back seat. About 20 min later I smell fuel. I'm thinking its just the used injectors no worries..... It gets stronger on 680... Ah thats not right.
Pulls over.. Ah that really not right. Pops carbon hood up slowly. Ah lets grab the fire extinguisher and maybe put this out....

Call a tow truck. With flashlight in hand. Looks like # 3 or #4 injector was leaking. I was like holy ****. I asked for new injector orings. Grabs old injectors... **** the o-rings are gone. Those mother ****ers.... The risked my ****ing car over reusing the old injector orings. When I asked them to replace them....


I'm a little pissed and very tired right now. My work day starts at 5am and ends at 10 pm... Then I had to deal again with this.... I have offered to help this shop in the past with getting some problems fixed for them. For Free.... No big deal. I teach this stuff for a living...

Well..... Thanks... GST for your great experance.. I'm really pissed.... I even asked if I could pay you today for all your work even know it was come back work to fix the mistakes..

You guys are way over booked, over promise and under deliver.. Just like I told you last month when this started. I didnt want to do this. But I need to vent..... This is ****!!!!!

I will now be dealing with this **** tomorow.............


Is there anyone in the state that can work on a subaru???

Is there anyone in the state that can work on a subaru???

Sometimes I wonder the same thing...

do you have anything against LIC? They are at SEMA right now, but may be worth a try when they get back.

Sorry to hear about your car. They squeezed me in yesterday to replace some hub bolts, I hope they didn't cut time off your car because of that :(

Wow, I didn't think for a second that I was reading about gst..sorry that happened to you.

I went up to LIC and im in Santa Cruz!

sucks about all that, youre too cool of a guy for this to happen too.

Where are all the GST leg humpers?

Can't wait for tomorrow

Where are all the GST leg humpers?

Can't wait for tomorrow

is there something u'd like to contribute in regards to this?

wow this is all bad, i wonder when the guys from gst will see this and post. sorry to hear about the bad experience. :/

I went up to LIC and im in Santa Cruz!

sucks about all that, youre too cool of a guy for this to happen too.

yeah, I'll be going to LIC for everything, I just went to GST the other day because it was a small, quick job and I was already in the area. Driving to LIC would have been harder than doing the job myself :)

Anyways, I hope everything gets sorted out for out 06STi, good luck!

i hate hearing storys like this, what a bummer, just another reason i do all the work on my car. hope you get everything fixed.

sorry to hear about your bad experience, mike and tommy has always been good to me. Fixed my injectors which were leaking with no problems. I dont know what could've happened. This all sounds very one sided, not saying it's not true, it could be a fluke, but lets hear the other side of the story since it's already out in the open.

damn =(

hot damn.

Michael, firstly sorry for all your troubles but I would like to set the record straight.

We did not and do not reuse injector o-rings, your old o-rings were tossed as we always do even to the fact that when you came in I told you that the middle o-ring was a ***** for us to find as you had removed all the o-rings from the PE injectors and that o-ring is proprietary so there is no way it could be reused as it was not present or even used on a OEM injector. I personally checked your injectors for leaks prior to tuning the car and then again afterwards while trying to adjust your strut bar for you, I then even mentioned to you to double check your injectors just in case as I didn't want there to be any issues for you.

Something else to add is that we have never removed the head portion that blew the gasket out of the 2 piece APS downpipe to do a turbo install but understanding that we were the last place to touch the car we did fix the issue and yes the bolts had backed out but when we completely removed the section to put in the new gasket we brought for you we found the real reason why which was that someone had made a gasket not used the OEM one for there and it was actually in 2 pieces from where it had been cut to fit the bolts.

We would like to take a look at the car and fix any damages related to this incident if you care to bring it back to us, I will be at the shop all day from 11am onwards today.

Again sorry for the issues especially one that could be so serious but we would like to take a look at the leak to see what caused it (torn o-ring, bent rail etc etc).

Mike

Ah, the joys of modding...
"I have 15 squre pegs, can you put them in these 6 round holes, and make them work?"
"We'll try" (because you can't)
"Square pegs do not fit in round holes"
"You bastards!!!"
"Can you fix my car again? We're still cool right?"
LOL

Hope you get this squared away.

sucks about all that, youre too cool of a guy for this to happen too.

+1 on this quote

Doh....sorry to hear about your troubles 06Sti. I hope GST squares everything away and fixes your troubles.

Michael, firstly sorry for all your troubles but I would like to set the record straight.

We did not and do not reuse injector o-rings, your old o-rings were tossed as we always do even to the fact that when you came in I told you that the middle o-ring was a ***** for us to find as you had removed all the o-rings from the PE injectors and that o-ring is proprietary so there is no way it could be reused as it was not present or even used on a OEM injector. I personally checked your injectors for leaks prior to tuning the car and then again afterwards while trying to adjust your strut bar for you, I then even mentioned to you to double check your injectors just in case as I didn't want there to be any issues for you.


Remeber I showed you two of those injectors had cracks at the harness plug and the the o-rings were even torn. As you told me when I picked them up, I needed to replace them. So I took them off and set them aside. I was a little worried that with all the bad past they get reused. And I'd be in the same boat.
B.T.W. A customer should never be asked to do any more checking. Thats half ass. If you have to ask them for that. Your not sure about your own work. A customer should be happy and worry free when picking up their product.


Something else to add is that we have never removed the head portion that blew the gasket out of the 2 piece APS downpipe to do a turbo install but understanding that we were the last place to touch the car we did fix the issue and yes the bolts had backed out but when we completely removed the section to put in the new gasket we brought for you we found the real reason why which was that someone had made a gasket not used the OEM one for there and it was actually in 2 pieces from where it had been cut to fit the bolts.


I have been around long enough and have been wrenching over 18 years in the field of trouble shooting problems and race teams. When you had a lemon law car or bike. It was sent to me to trace, track and fix. I currenty teach for a living these skills.

Now.. When we take a look at this problem. My car has had this tbe install for 20k miles without a single problem. Then a turbo gets installed. So lets back track the install to figure what might have happen.

Now most techs that work flat rate look for the easiset way to get the job done...
Now by looking at my set up. APS 3.5 tbe, APS Turbo Inlet, TGV's installed.
We can see that installing a turbo is going to be tough. The APS turbo inlet with oem tgv's is a really tight fit.

Now when pulling this apart.. flat rate style..... The tech would pull the three bell mouth to downpipe bolts and then the 5 or 6 turbo to belmouth bolts

Take the bell mouth out and leave the down pipe hanging in place.

From there pull the up pipe bolts to turbo off , loosening the turbo inlet and sliding off the turbo.

Crack loose the oil lines and water lines. done deal.

Reinstall the reverse way.

But when trying to align everything back up to fit correctly you keep everything loose.

Then once you have a fit you start to tighten everything back down. Anyone tat has ever delt with a APS turbo inlet knows what I am taking about. You have to spin the turbo counter clockwise to get room between the oem tgv's and the turbo. Well to do this you leave most parts loose and tighten them into place.

They just forgot to tighten up the downpipe / bellmouth bolts.


We would like to take a look at the car and fix any damages related to this incident if you care to bring it back to us, I will be at the shop all day from 11am onwards today.

Again sorry for the issues especially one that could be so serious but we would like to take a look at the leak to see what caused it (torn o-ring, bent rail etc etc).

Mike

On to the end. Everytime I walk into that place I am pissed off. I may or may not show it the last few times. The first time I was really hot. But still offered to pay you for your time. I have noo problems paying for quality work. I even still bought someparts off you and was coming back to get some more. Til this hapen... I have spotted one of the problems quickly over the last month.. Over Promise- Under Deliver.......... Over book and rush to get things out. Stupid mistakes then happen.

The attiude I get from everyone has been noticed over the last few vists. I have done my best too keep this quiet and let you guys figure out this problem. I have even offered a few times to help you guys out. At the time I didnt have anything to do during my afternoon. Now I am rewriting the whole curriculum for our school and dont have that time. I charged the last dealer 50k for this type of service. You could have had it for free. This is a whole schedule system, training basicly a turn key set up. They have not had a single problem since that I have heard of.

My car is being looked at by me now. When I find time too. I think after all this. You can take me off the customer base list. I dont send my food back to the cook. Seems like the same case here.

It really sucks.... As you guys where close to my work. I was really looking forward to getting some more upgrades done down the road.

I need you to email me the tune you installed on my car so I can keep it with all the other ones. I dont think I'll ever see it after all this. I also think this car is going to go away I'm burned out with it over the last month or two. I'm shocked a simple turbo install could cause all this headache.

Do I feel much better that my last few time to gst are out in the open? No... I hate to see the end results. But... I needed to let it out so people can make a choice on what they think is best for them. I hope people still learn from everyone experances in life.

I also hope that GST slows their roll for a while and takes a hard look at what a snow ball has rolled into by taking on way to much work. Their quality and now their name has taken a hit.

I have just now got out of bed. I'll be out looking at the damage.

GST Bad Service Noooooooooooooooooo.......
:rofl:

Oh I'm going to need the o-rings back so I can reinstall my old injectors.
They were not yours to keep.

Not sure why you "kept them"

I bet..... I know where they are.

As I stated we do not and never have taken or loosened a APS 3.5" downpipe when conducting any installation, I can only say that so many times whether I am believed or not I cannot control but it's the truth none the less.

As far as us being overbooked and rushing I am sorry but this couldn't be further from the truth, we book a maximum of 7 hours per lift for any given day. Our mechanics are often here late working on something or other mainly caused by the nature of the aftermarket business and things not fitting or whatnot and all this beyond what they are paid for because this is not only their work but also their passion.

We strive to do the best we can for everyone, regardless of the issue, time of day or even day (I frequently come in just to look at things for customers nothing to do with either me or the shop on Saturdays/Sundays as do the mechanics here).

Mike

Oh I'm going to need the o-rings back so I can reinstall my old injectors.
They were not yours to keep.

Not sure why you "kept them"

I bet..... I know where they are.

Sure come get them, I will go dig them out of the trash for you right now.

Mike

We strive to do the best we can for everyone, regardless of the issue, time of day or even day (I frequently come in just to look at things for customers nothing to do with either me or the shop on Saturdays/Sundays as do the mechanics here).

Mike
I'm not gonna try and ride any coat tails here, but I can vouch on this one. Mike has personally gotten his hands dirty on my car installing brakes on a saturday, and changing some spark plugs on a SUNDAY!

So.. cause.... Torn top fuel injector o-ring to fuel rail.. My best guess... You can see they might have installed the injectors into the heads then pressed the fuel rail on last.
Also.. Mike... The fuel rail was not torqued down.. One bolt on the passenger side rail was loose.
If in fact you did torque them Toss your torque wrench in the trash and buy a new one.

I forgot to add in my list about the compressor serge I was getting from the 1st tune til yesterday. I am not sure if its still there. I had backed off my aps bov 100% and it went away. But its loud and I will be tightening this back up when car is finished.

Off to manteca to pick up a new haress and replace a few burned parts.

B.T.W. Why was my injector o-rings on the bottom dirty with grit. They should have been clean right?

I'm not gonna try and ride any coat tails here, but I can vouch on this one. Mike has personally gotten his hands dirty on my car installing brakes on a saturday, and changing some spark plugs on a SUNDAY!

I will also side with you on that one. He has worked on my car to inspect it on a saturday.

But they have some problems that need to be addressed...

Now, not saying that you did this or not, but I've found from talking to other people about their experiences there that when you hurry them, they tend to make some mistakes, as anyone will do when being rushed. But if you allow them ample time, you will get it done and right.

I've talked to one guy who kept calling and calling them to see when his FMIC, turbo, injectors, FP install was gonna be ready, and they eventually gave it back to him, but some of the bolts weren't tightened down.

Now everytime I've gone in, I give them as much time as they need, don't call em or anything, and let them just call me when it's done and I haven't had any problems at all.

that was my philosophy when my mazda GTX needed its transmission...3 months later... hhaha

no but thats still the truth, about not calling and being patient... i just waited a long ass time

Now, not saying that you did this or not, but I've found from talking to other people about their experiences there that when you hurry them, they tend to make some mistakes, as anyone will do when being rushed. But if you allow them ample time, you will get it done and right.

I've talked to one guy who kept calling and calling them to see when his FMIC, turbo, injectors, FP install was gonna be ready, and they eventually gave it back to him, but some of the bolts weren't tightened down.

Now everytime I've gone in, I give them as much time as they need, don't call em or anything, and let them just call me when it's done and I haven't had any problems at all.

I drop my car off and left it. Matter a fact.. I didnt call a single time. They had my car three days .. They had two weeks to order parts. I think thats not the problem.

Each time my car was there I never rushed them. I let them take there time. I know about that also that sometimes things just dont go right. Thats why I kept bring it back.
I've been more then understanding. All this without saying anything about it to anyone...

Maybe I'm just stupid!

I have had GST install my new built motor and everything that goes with it...and plan on getting the rest installed by GST.

Your play by play of everything going on is annoying...what is the purpose??? I know for a fact that Mike is more than willing to make matters correct...even if they are matters that he is not responsible for...

I know for a fact that the image and the bad name your trying to give them is something that is not like GST and most people know this as well...or else there would be TONS of people posting similar threads...

SO...if your not going to let Mike correct the problems "you" say they caused...go on with your plans to fix them yourself or have someone else fix them...in the mean time we dont need to hear all the things you are "finding" days after the facts...sounds fishy to me...you sound like the type of person that would have a bad rep with more than just 1 shop.....


-freddie

I have had GST install my new built motor and everything that goes with it...and plan on getting the rest installed by GST.

Your play by play of everything going on is annoying...what is the purpose??? I know for a fact that Mike is more than willing to make matters correct...even if they are matters that he is not responsible for...

I know for a fact that the image and the bad name your trying to give them is something that is not like GST and most people know this as well...or else there would be TONS of people posting similar threads...

SO...if your not going to let Mike correct the problems "you" say they caused...go on with your plans to fix them yourself or have someone else fix them...in the mean time we dont need to hear all the things you are "finding" days after the facts...sounds fishy to me...you sound like the type of person that would have a bad rep with more than just 1 shop.....


-freddie

Are you for real?

I gave them plenty of times to fix their stuff and so on and still spending money there. So ... If you dont like what your reading then move on. I'm not on a witch hunt. I have not told mike I want a full refund. I also do not care to. I am sharing my problems. He has had a chance to respond. And as you can see. Everything I have listed must have been correct. Otherwise he'd outlined them.

So .... when your car has many problems and then catches fire... After dealing with this .... you can keep quite too.

Yes I am fixing my car now myself. Its a shame that this has taken place. Will this end here? I have to think on it. I'm not sure. Im up to about $800 in parts right now. Plus my time.

I love the people saying how mike will do work any day of the week when thatchas nothing to do with the situation....I'd actually prefer a mechanic that rests on the weekends

I have had GST install my new built motor and everything that goes with it...and plan on getting the rest installed by GST.

Your play by play of everything going on is annoying...what is the purpose??? I know for a fact that Mike is more than willing to make matters correct...even if they are matters that he is not responsible for...

I know for a fact that the image and the bad name your trying to give them is something that is not like GST and most people know this as well...or else there would be TONS of people posting similar threads...

SO...if your not going to let Mike correct the problems "you" say they caused...go on with your plans to fix them yourself or have someone else fix them...in the mean time we dont need to hear all the things you are "finding" days after the facts...sounds fishy to me...you sound like the type of person that would have a bad rep with more than just 1 shop.....


-freddie

Are you for real?

I gave them plenty of times to fix their stuff and so on and still spending money there. So ... If you dont like what your reading then move on. I'm not on a witch hunt. I have not told mike I want a full refund. I also do not care to. I am sharing my problems. He has had a chance to respond. And as you can see. Everything I have listed must have been correct. Otherwise he'd outlined them.

So .... when your car has many problems and then catches fire... After dealing with this .... you can keep quite too.

Yes I am fixing my car now myself. Its a shame that this has taken place. Will this end here? I have to think on it. I'm not sure. Im up to about $800 in parts right now. Plus my time.

I was going to edit what I said but I will not...

I do find it funny... That the bigger then life shop has a problem. And when its all said and done, Certain people just cant belive its true. So what is one to do....
OH Yeah... Blame the customer The guy with the problem. When there is no other reason... Blame the customer. It his fault... GST could never have a bad day... Shift the blame back.... :tape:


I wish mike the best.. I hope he takes this and like I said in another post. Slows the snow ball....... :thumb:

I love the people saying how mike will do work any day of the week when thatchas nothing to do with the situation....I'd actually prefer a mechanic that rests on the weekends

Yes great point.

When you burn the candle at both ends..... You burn out and or make mistakes....
:thumb:

I gave them plenty of times to fix their stuff and so on and still spending money there. So ... If you dont like what your reading then move on. I'm not on a witch hunt. I have not told mike I want a full refund. I also do not care to. I am sharing my problems. He has had a chance to respond. And as you can see. Everything I have listed must have been correct. Otherwise he'd outlined them.



It's not that at all, I've learnt long ago there is nothing to be gained going back and forth online which is why in my original post I apologized for any issues and offered to make right.

All I can do is stand up and offer to make right, regardless of fault/blame or what have you.

Mike

I love the people saying how mike will do work any day of the week when thatchas nothing to do with the situation....I'd actually prefer a mechanic that rests on the weekends

I am not a mechanic and don't do anything mechanical here except help people that come by on weekends for one thing or another.

Just to make something clear to everyone, we do not have any mechanics on staff on the weekend and only take weekend bookings on a special circumstance basis this is nothing new this is and has always been our policy since we opened.

Mike

I am not a mechanic and don't do anything mechanical here except help people that come by on weekends for one thing or another.

Just to make something clear to everyone, we do not have any mechanics on staff on the weekend and only take weekend bookings on a special circumstance basis this is nothing new this is and has always been our policy since we opened.

Mike

I was actually just making a general statement

I was going to edit what I said but I will not...

I do find it funny... That the bigger then life shop has a problem. And when its all said and done, Certain people just cant belive its true. So what is one to do....
OH Yeah... Blame the customer The guy with the problem. When there is no other reason... Blame the customer. It his fault... GST could never have a bad day... Shift the blame back.... :tape:


I wish mike the best.. I hope he takes this and like I said in another post. Slows the snow ball....... :thumb:

Wow!!! You're a TOOL!!! Things go wrong, F'n deal with it. Confidence and standing by ones work is just as important after the sale. You are a fool to think you're going to walk out of any shop with no problems.
GST will always do their best. In the event something goes wrong, the do their best to fix it.

Do you think there is a "written in stone" standard? Every one of these cars has it's problems. Don't want the problems? Leave it alone. Every item you change on the car poses a potential problem. If you're not going to allow GST a chance to resolve this; STFU.

You're coming off as a real TOOL.

Have a nice day.

Wow!!! You're a TOOL!!! Things go wrong, F'n deal with it. Confidence and standing by ones work is just as important after the sale. You are a fool to think you're going to walk out of any shop with no problems.
GST will always do their best. In the event something goes wrong, the do their best to fix it.

Do you think there is a "written in stone" standard? Every one of these cars has it's problems. Don't want the problems? Leave it alone. Every item you change on the car poses a potential problem. If you're not going to allow GST a chance to resolve this; STFU.

You're coming off as a real TOOL.

Have a nice day.

I'm not siding with anyone, but I'm pretty sure he said he took it back a few times so it's not like he didn't give them a chance.

WOW!!! I hope you can work things out with GST. I been going to them for awhile now. They have always been on point with me and the cars i bring them...

Wow!!! You're a TOOL!!! Things go wrong, F'n deal with it. Confidence and standing by ones work is just as important after the sale. You are a fool to think you're going to walk out of any shop with no problems.
GST will always do their best. In the event something goes wrong, the do their best to fix it.

Do you think there is a "written in stone" standard? Every one of these cars has it's problems. Don't want the problems? Leave it alone. Every item you change on the car poses a potential problem. If you're not going to allow GST a chance to resolve this; STFU.

You're coming off as a real TOOL.

Have a nice day.

i believe he did give them multiple chances to fix the problem and you are the one that is coming off as a tool.

i don't think he made this thread to resolve the problem, he made the thread to let people know that GST MAY NOT BE what it is worked up to be. if i was put into his position i would've made a thread about it too.
you bring your to a shop to receive professional service, i know sometimes everything doesn't come out the way you like it but his car was set on fire for crying out loud.

(i'm not siding with anyone but i think you went out of line by telling him to stfu if he doesn't want to resolve the problem and to ****ing deal with it)

i don't think he made this thread to resolve the problem, he made the thread to let people know that GST MAY NOT BE what it is worked up to be.

Dude every shop that is in this type of business has problems...there are NO perfect shops!!! GST has never claimed to be perfect....their great reputation has come from happy customers that have seen first hand how good they are!!

How many bad posts can you find about GST???...how many good posts can you find???

All I know is that if my car caught on fire after someone worked on it...the car would be towed right back to that shop, I would have tow truck receipts, and would have posted pics...ect.

All we have so far is a one sided story...I know the GST crew personaly and I know they would not lie or twist stories around to work to thier benefit...I dont know this 06Sti guy so I couldnt vouch for him at all.

We should really let the parties INVOLVED handle this and quit putting our useless opinions that will keep going and going and going...06 STi said what he wanted to say...GST said what they wanted to say...WE WILL NOT RESOLE THIS BY POSTING...let them work it out.

reply what you want...but I'm done....

http://www.i-club.com/forums/subscription.php?do=removesubscription&type=thread&subscriptionid=374939&auth=1d98991e0078b909680ec169911ed67a

-freddie

How many bad posts can you find about GST???...how many good posts can you find???

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That argument isn't valid because most of the people who may have had problems with GST (I've never been there so I can't say anything, just giving u a different point of view) won't post negative comments about them because they'll just get flamed by all the GST fanbois that are friends with Mike and Tommy and whatnot.

It was like Gruppe-S. How many bad posts did u find before GST spun off into their own company? Then when they did spin off, the floodgates of negative posts opened up. When there were negative posts about Gruppe-S before the GST spinoff, look at how many of those people got flamed for posting it. I have nothing against Gruppe-S or GST, but it seems like it's the same thing over again from what I'm reading.

When the majority of the regular posters in I-club are friends with employees of a certain company, they're gonna stick by them no matter what. So finding bad posts vs finding good posts about the company when the majority have biased opinions is kind of a moot point.

That argument isn't valid because most of the people who may have had problems with GST (I've never been there so I can't say anything, just giving u a different point of view) won't post negative comments about them because they'll just get flamed by all the GST fanbois that are friends with Mike and Tommy and whatnot.

It was like Gruppe-S. How many bad posts did u find before GST spun off into their own company? Then when they did spin off, the floodgates of negative posts opened up. When there were negative posts about Gruppe-S before the GST spinoff, look at how many of those people got flamed for posting it. I have nothing against Gruppe-S or GST, but it seems like it's the same thing over again from what I'm reading.

When the majority of the regular posters in I-club are friends with employees of a certain company, they're gonna stick by them no matter what. So finding bad posts vs finding good posts about the company when the majority have biased opinions is kind of a moot point.

i agree with everything you said 100%, that was what i was hinting at in my post above.

GST is great for tunning, buying parts and bs'ing with cool guys. That's about it. I had similar bolts omitted and cut hoses so I started to DIY as much as it sucks and hurts my back.

They will work it all out for you, rest assured. Sucks Mike has to do that though. Not like he installed the turbo.

06sti...it sucks that this happened to you but you must and im sure you understand that things will go wrong when modding your car.
YES it really sucks when it happens to you.

GST can't be perfect...out of all the cars they have worked on there are going to be some that go wrong- This is just what happens when you start modding.

Mike said he is willing to fix the problem,
Even though you have brought it back multiple times I would give them another shot, they said they would fix it and now that they know the seriousness of the situation I would hope that they take they're time to make sure all the proper bolts are torqued down etc.

As to IPOZESTU- Don't come in here and be a dick to the guy. His car just cought on fire and he has many problems he needs to deal with so give him a break. You can't blame him for being iffy about taking his car back...AGAIN to get it fixed.

06STI good luck!

That argument isn't valid because most of the people who may have had problems with GST (I've never been there so I can't say anything, just giving u a different point of view) won't post negative comments about them because they'll just get flamed by all the GST fanbois that are friends with Mike and Tommy and whatnot.

It was like Gruppe-S. How many bad posts did u find before GST spun off into their own company? Then when they did spin off, the floodgates of negative posts opened up. When there were negative posts about Gruppe-S before the GST spinoff, look at how many of those people got flamed for posting it. I have nothing against Gruppe-S or GST, but it seems like it's the same thing over again from what I'm reading.

When the majority of the regular posters in I-club are friends with employees of a certain company, they're gonna stick by them no matter what. So finding bad posts vs finding good posts about the company when the majority have biased opinions is kind of a moot point.


last post I swear (hope) lol

yes...I agree. So basically this post will go nowhere just like all the rest...back and forth, back and forth...we all can go on and on ...

We should just let them work it out...however they decide to do it. :)

-freddie

ps. I know I will never have midgets work on my car....even if they are my people.

Nice thread title...almost seems as if he knew what the outcome would be!!! lol

ps. I know I will never have midgets work on my car....even if they are my people.

shut it Travis, or no KFC for you. ;)

wow i think this is the first thread ive seen on a bad install by GST

Kfc! Kfc! Kfc!

Wing Stop! Wing Stop! Wing Stop!

wow i think this is the first thread ive seen on a bad install by GST


exactly...but I guess it's the end of the world now!!! lol

That argument isn't valid because most of the people who may have had problems with GST (I've never been there so I can't say anything, just giving u a different point of view) won't post negative comments about them because they'll just get flamed by all the GST fanbois that are friends with Mike and Tommy and whatnot.

It was like Gruppe-S. How many bad posts did u find before GST spun off into their own company? Then when they did spin off, the floodgates of negative posts opened up. When there were negative posts about Gruppe-S before the GST spinoff, look at how many of those people got flamed for posting it. I have nothing against Gruppe-S or GST, but it seems like it's the same thing over again from what I'm reading.

When the majority of the regular posters in I-club are friends with employees of a certain company, they're gonna stick by them no matter what. So finding bad posts vs finding good posts about the company when the majority have biased opinions is kind of a moot point.



i totally agree with you about this whole gruppe-s thing. before GST went off to their own, gruppe-s was always GOOD. everyone says good stuff about them. but all sudden gruppe-s became a horrible shop. so why is that? im not saying GST is not a good shop, everyone make mistakes.

as for 06STi, if GST offer to correct the problem and fix it, let them finish what they started.

i totally agree with you about this whole gruppe-s thing. before GST went off to their own, gruppe-s was always GOOD. everyone says good stuff about them. but all sudden gruppe-s became a horrible shop. so why is that? im not saying GST is not a good shop, everyone make mistakes.

as for 06STi, if GST offer to correct the problem and fix it, let them finish what they started.
This NOT true. I've had the select experience for about 5 years with Gruppe-s, and i've always known them to pretty much have poor support part wise. I didn't tell folks to buy from them hardly ever.

Now, when Mike was tuning there and running the shop side of GS (known as, gasp, GST) I was definitely throwing business Mike's way. Not to GS for parts, but to mike for labor and tuning.

Problem was, there was an ass load of ****ing cheap ass penny pincher's who loved GS and their gray market crap. They loved the prices so much, they would buy there no matter what anyone told them.

I've know Mike for nearly 6 years now, he's not someone who is out to screw anyone. he's quite fair, level headed, and believes in customer support.

Don't come on here and make accusations and things without some proof of malpractice either, simply typing won't that won't win you any support.

Oh, by the way, Freddie has endured much more than you could have ever imagined with other shops, so I know you didn't know the history, but you should know that he has been in your shoes.

I've had pretty much every shop in the bay area work on my car. all of them do the best they can, and all of them make mistakes. Every single one has made a mistake on my car in way, shape, or form.

Take you car back to Mike, and let him make this right for you or pay for the repairs yourself.

As to IPOZESTU- Don't come in here and be a dick to the guy. His car just cought on fire and he has many problems he needs to deal with so give him a break. You can't blame him for being iffy about taking his car back...AGAIN to get it fixed.



oh...he will tell you about taking cars back ;)

wheres the mother****in popcorn when you really need it?

Wow!!! You're a TOOL!!! Things go wrong, F'n deal with it. Confidence and standing by ones work is just as important after the sale. You are a fool to think you're going to walk out of any shop with no problems.
GST will always do their best. In the event something goes wrong, the do their best to fix it.

Do you think there is a "written in stone" standard? Every one of these cars has it's problems. Don't want the problems? Leave it alone. Every item you change on the car poses a potential problem. If you're not going to allow GST a chance to resolve this; STFU.

You're coming off as a real TOOL.

Have a nice day.


Lets not start with the name calling. Yes my car has been back there a few times for them to fix their mistakes. ... I have also be silent about this for well over 40 days.
If you have seen my garage you dont need to tell me about how modding goes, Or the fact that things dont always go right. I gave them a few chances. Last one was it.

Whats that saying....? shame on you. 3rd time shame on me? Tobad it took the 5th time.

I've given them plenty of time to look at the car. Then plenty of time to order the parts the last time. Then after the parts showed I gave them 4 days with my car. With out me calling or anything.

So... :SHOCKED: I think they have had enough times.. enough to complete a car. My mods are all APS and PE Its not like they are all mismatched crap or knock off's. All the APS is designed to work togther. No excuses in my book.

I will be looking at other options this week and to resolving this. But they will never see my car again.


To ask a customer to double check something just doesnt sit well with me, It should leave 100% and you should feel 100% its done right.

They risked my safety and my car. The job was not done correct yet again. Just like the last few times there.

B.T.W.

Heres a few pic's of my garage for the guys that think I'm new to modding stuff.

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02246.JPG

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02220.JPG

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02407.JPG

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02467.JPG

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02496.JPG

So you can see.. I'm not new to modding things. Plus I have not once tried to lowball GST on the prices or labor. Hell I spent $50 picking my car up there friday and was going to spend $120 more on a battery tie down. Then this week was gong to pick up some defi gauges. Not once have I asked for a discount or a refund.

Soo.... Yeah I'm a tool

One last post...
Mike or GST has not even once to my knowlage tried to call me after this. I friday night 11pm left a message at his shop line. Figured I'd hear back from him. Ah Nope...

wow that first bike is sick!!! wanna sell it hahaha :D

hope everything is fixed and works out for the best

Is that Ducati a Desmosedici RR?

BTW, sucks that you have to go thru this. Shoulda taken it to LIC! :D

damn... here's my totally unbiased opinion.

a shop shouldnt ask a customer to double check their work, that really bugs me as a person who knows nothing about working on cars. That lack of confidence in your work is reason enough for me to never go to that shop.

the 06STi guy seems like he gave the shop plenty of chances to make it right and they kept messing up, i mean his car caught on fire... He pretty much came in here and stated the facts of all that happend, he didnt really talk sh!t so all the people swinging from GST's nuts need to get a life, mostly that ipozestu guy... seriously man wtf?

it seems like GST does want to get this squared away i dont know if they wanted admit that they blew it big time ( from a 3rd person perspective they did). seems more like they want to save their reputation rather than sincerely make things right with 06STi.

godam i love iclub

Wow!!! You're a TOOL!!! Things go wrong, F'n deal with it. Confidence and standing by ones work is just as important after the sale. You are a fool to think you're going to walk out of any shop with no problems.
GST will always do their best. In the event something goes wrong, the do their best to fix it.

Do you think there is a "written in stone" standard? Every one of these cars has it's problems. Don't want the problems? Leave it alone. Every item you change on the car poses a potential problem. If you're not going to allow GST a chance to resolve this; STFU.

You're coming off as a real TOOL.

Have a nice day.

No offense but thats pretty lame. The reason people are paying an ridiculous amm. per hour instead of doing it themselves it because the shop says, hey we know how to do this and can do it for you. Not, we sorta know how to do this and might **** something up, but will still charge you crazy prices.

All I want to know is, so why did this happen? did they admit a mistake?

+1000 for lic

06sti, I know you're pain. Its like headache after headache. I can tell you that LIC motorsports just doesn't do crappy work. They won't install poor fitting parts, they won't ever do something half assed, it really is your dream at this point I can promise you. They will do an awesome job on your car, treat you like a human and chat with you so you can take care of all your points/concerns. Most likely they will end up fixing stuff on your car that some other shop totally fooked up. This is a place you really can just take your car and know it will be done right and not think about it anymore, it's nice to install parts and then enjoy them, instead of worrying about what the hell is wrong!

One last post...
Mike or GST has not even once to my knowlage tried to call me after this. I friday night 11pm left a message at his shop line. Figured I'd hear back from him. Ah Nope...

*edit* ok I actually read the thread... you did have some cause to be really mad. Still I think going public with this adds no value to the situation.


First off I totally understand your frustration - I had a situation with my car that resulted in essentially $6000 of wasted money with a local shop. So I'm not some tool calling you a tool - I've lost big money.

However I did not take my issue public, and I think you should not have either just because they did not get back to you within a few days. I worked with the shop and over a period of time my issue was resolved.

The shops around here are good people, they MASSIVELY screw up sometimes, I'm not defending anyone, but very few times have I heard of a shop not backing up their work and spending even THOUSANDS of dollars to fix their mistakes. You live in Blackhawk, you have a fabulous motorcycle, you should be a successful person who is skilled in problem resolution.


IMHO you should have only taken this public if GST had refused to ameliorate your situation. Taking it public just escalates tension.

B.T.W.

Heres a few pic's of my garage for the guys that think I'm new to modding stuff.

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02246.JPG

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02220.JPG

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02407.JPG

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02467.JPG

http://www.sport-classic.net/Gallery/albums/userpics/normal_DSC02496.JPG

So you can see.. I'm not new to modding things. l


Did you used to be on MR2oc.com? Know Mike Norman?

Here's another opinion... There is never ever a circumstance where a shop should let a car back to a customer with un-tightened bolts or ANY un-finished work PERIOD. Sometimes this happens, and when it is detected it should be corrected ASAP. It is absolutely un-called for to send a customer's car back without at the very least checking one's work. It's not hard to have a list of what was done for each car, and before it's considered DONE you simply visually check everything that was touched. If there isn't time for this, there isn't time to do the job. I speak from experience as I worked as a mechanic between '94 and '97. I didn't do complicated work, but when it comes down to it none of this is any more complicated than following a list.

All the people saying to "just deal with it" need to stop. That is so insane I don't even know what to say to it. I completely understand why the OP would have made his post, and he did so in a pretty nice way compared to some of these that have happened.

I have had work done at a lot of Suby shops. There has been one in my experience that has stood by their work and redone things that they made a mistake with. I will always refer people to this shop, and will take anything I don't want to do myself here in the future if I find myself with another Suby. Other than that, every shop experience has been a disappointment and in the silliest ways - shoddy or un-finished work, damage to the car, etc. It's as dumb as when you ask for "no onions" and get onions on your sammich anyway.

The VW shop I go to has done a lot of work for me (inspection, Warranty Service for the 15k, 20k and 25k, clutch jorb, brake work, r/r engine/trans mounts, and a few others) and they have never done me wrong in over a year and over $5k worth of work. A few times they have needed my car for more time - sometimes as much as 3-4 more days to make things right, but I have never had a problem with anything they have done. I feel it is simply because they take pride in their work, and strive to make sure their customers are happy. Anyone can do this.

I know that in my line of work if I were as sloppy as some of the stuff I have seen and heard about - I would be unemployed. I am not sure why some feel it is unreasonable for A) a shop to do good work the first time most of the time and B) a shop to make good when things go bad.

Ipozestu - I have met you in person and I don't understand why you said what you did in your post. You have had your fair share of hard times - seems like you would be understanding.

1WRX2NV - I have never met you but I know you have been around here forever. It seems like you have had gobs of work done and you know your way around getting mods done. Regardless none of your comments here are useful (mine aren't either really) and from my point of view I feel you should let these guys handle the issue themselves without continuing to say things along the lines of "your bad experiences cannot have happened because of my good experiences." This has been happening like this for years now. Just like this thread, it doesn't help anything really.

Mike is a good guy and has lots of loyal customers and fans for a reason. It is crazy that this guy's car caught on fire, but of course that is completely between him and GST. I feel like I understand where he is coming from though I haven't had his experiences. It is a horrible feeling when things go wrong - for both parties!! I wish everyone the best and hope/feel this will be handled satisfactorily. Anything else would be such a shame for the parties involved

NO offense but if you really lost 6 grand due to a shop you think you understand a little more. Fact of the matter is forum is for information, and shops do a lot of business on them. Having a review/reading about other peoples experiences are exactly what the forums are for. Anyone who wants to stop this communication makes me wonder. You even said yourself he had cause so why not let people hear about his experience? Isn't that why we use to the internet in the first place????

I guess I just don't understand the logic.


PS: Saying All the shops around here are really good people is totally lame, and if anything throws more fuel on the fire than the original post imo. Its just a stilly thing to say, these are businesses......

*edit* ok I actually read the thread... you did have some cause to be really mad. Still I think going public with this adds no value to the situation.


First off I totally understand your frustration - I had a situation with my car that resulted in essentially $6000 of wasted money with a local shop. So I'm not some tool calling you a tool - I've lost big money.

However I did not take my issue public, and I think you should not have either just because they did not get back to you within a few days. I worked with the shop and over a period of time my issue was resolved.

The shops around here are good people, they MASSIVELY screw up sometimes, I'm not defending anyone, but very few times have I heard of a shop not backing up their work and spending even THOUSANDS of dollars to fix their mistakes. You live in Blackhawk, you have a fabulous motorcycle, you should be a successful person who is skilled in problem resolution.


IMHO you should have only taken this public if GST had refused to ameliorate your situation. Taking it public just escalates tension.

Did you used to be on MR2oc.com? Know Mike Norman?

Yes I do know him very well. g-force racing or ducatina Yes I'm mkimr2 on there.

NO offense but if you really lost 6 grand due to a shop you think you understand a little more. Fact of the matter is forum is for information, and shops do a lot of business on them. Having a review/reading about other peoples experiences are exactly what the forums are for. Anyone who wants to stop this communication makes me wonder. You even said yourself he had cause so why not let people hear about his experience? Isn't that why we use to the internet in the first place????

I guess I just don't understand the logic.

PS: Saying All the shops around here are really good people is totally lame, and if anything throws more fuel on the fire than the original post imo. Its just a stilly thing to say, these are businesses......


I think you misread my post. YES, it helps the community by informing us of this event. NO, it does not help the OPs personal situation by taking it public.

I mean I've seen more than a few of the sales teams I work with get screwed because of a situation where they try to escalate an issue they have by bringing high visibility to the community, it becomes unproductive and only serves to irk their partners and then they fail to close the deal. If they had only kept discussions within closed channels, they would have another 20g's of commission in their pockets.


RE: PS - yeah there are a few jackarses that still have their shops in business. I should have said "MOST of the shops around here" - which you'd know and agree with me is true if you've dealed with more than a few of them.


Anyways this is OT now. I do wish the OP's situation is resolved in a timely manner and that GST remediates the problem to satisfaction.

Sounds like a crappy situation for GST and for 06sti.


I don't know the situation as I've been trying to keep my head off the chopping block at work...but I will say this..

ONE....you knew what you were doing when you posted this thread and taht was starting ****..intentionally. Hence the let the drama begin name of the thread. You obviously have experience with doing work yourself and with having people do your work. You obviously have money...hence the Blackhawk location. With your experience and your history you should have known to take a different approach to this. Like posting up and saying...damn crappy day. Here is what happened.

basically...with your experience and your budget you should have known better than to expect just a turbo to be the end of your parts. You obviously did some research and know what it takes to build a turbo upgrade and give your tuner what they need to tune your car. You took short cuts. Short cuts are bad mmmkay.

Secondly....it sounds like some **** went wrong...it happens. Also sounds like they've tried to take care of you. That's admiral as they don't really need to do that. In fact they really didn't need to touch your car at all.

What is happening to shops is that people buy used parts or they find the cheapest outlets for their parts...guys who drop ship...etc. Then they piece together these hack job hodge podge of parts then take them to a shop and say put this on.... There are shops out there that will tell you to take a hike. They don't supply or you didn't get it from them they ain't puttin it on. Personally I don't offense to this stance as they're protecting their asses from stuff like this.


On top of that....I don't care who works on your car....you SHOULD double check your work. People screw up. It happens. If you're not checking their work you might just catch on fire.

Seriously....shops that specialize in tires sometimes forget to tighten lug nuts. Shops that specialize in brakes sometimes forget to put the backing plates on or don't get all the air out. Etc. **** happens. People make mistakes.



Sounds to me like mike was being nice to a forum member....as I'm sure you dropped i-club when you came in to the shop. Sounds like he gave you some injectors trying to help you out. SOunds like some things went wrong...terribly wrong. It sounds like mike is trying to take care of you.

So you're left with two things.....let mike take care of it and check the work yourself. OR...take it somewhere else....or do it yourself.


My question....you're in blackhawk....why didn't you take it to shiv?

I dont think he is just trying to screw gst, I think he just wants his car fixed. I doubt gst has a problem with people posting up about their experiences.


I think you misread my post. YES, it helps the community by informing us of this event. NO, it does not help the OPs personal situation by taking it public.

I just don't like it when someone post up a bad experience and then everyone hates on them.........there should be no issues with posting the truth, whether it be good or bad.

I mean I've seen more than a few of the sales teams I work with get screwed because of a situation where they try to escalate an issue they have by bringing high visibility to the community, it becomes unproductive and only serves to irk their partners and then they fail to close the deal. If they had only kept discussions within closed channels, they would have another 20g's of commission in their pockets.


RE: PS - yeah there are a few jackarses that still have their shops in business. I should have said "MOST of the shops around here" - which you'd know and agree with me is true if you've dealed with more than a few of them.


Anyways this is OT now. I do wish the OP's situation is resolved in a timely manner and that GST remediates the problem to satisfaction.

On top of that....I don't care who works on your car....you SHOULD double check your work. People screw up. It happens. If you're not checking their work you might just catch on fire.

Seriously....shops that specialize in tires sometimes forget to tighten lug nuts. Shops that specialize in brakes sometimes forget to put the backing plates on or don't get all the air out. Etc. **** happens. People make mistakes.

So you're left with two things.....let mike take care of it and check the work yourself. OR...take it somewhere else....or do it yourself.


My question....you're in blackhawk....why didn't you take it to shiv?

Actually you let a shop do the work so you don't have to double check, THEY have to double check everything, hence why you pay the BIG bucks. I worked in the automotive maintenance business for a while and the one thing you learn real fast is you ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK your work, otherwise **** gets **cked up and you're the one left footing the bill. If the OP had the time to double check work, he would have done the install himself.

Sounds like a crappy situation for GST and for 06sti.


I don't know the situation as I've been trying to keep my head off the chopping block at work...but I will say this..

ONE....you knew what you were doing when you posted this thread and taht was starting ****..intentionally. Hence the let the drama begin name of the thread. You obviously have experience with doing work yourself and with having people do your work. You obviously have money...hence the Blackhawk location. With your experience and your history you should have known to take a different approach to this. Like posting up and saying...damn crappy day. Here is what happened.

basically...with your experience and your budget you should have known better than to expect just a turbo to be the end of your parts. You obviously did some research and know what it takes to build a turbo upgrade and give your tuner what they need to tune your car. You took short cuts. Short cuts are bad mmmkay.

Secondly....it sounds like some **** went wrong...it happens. Also sounds like they've tried to take care of you. That's admiral as they don't really need to do that. In fact they really didn't need to touch your car at all.

What is happening to shops is that people buy used parts or they find the cheapest outlets for their parts...guys who drop ship...etc. Then they piece together these hack job hodge podge of parts then take them to a shop and say put this on.... There are shops out there that will tell you to take a hike. They don't supply or you didn't get it from them they ain't puttin it on. Personally I don't offense to this stance as they're protecting their asses from stuff like this.


On top of that....I don't care who works on your car....you SHOULD double check your work. People screw up. It happens. If you're not checking their work you might just catch on fire.

Seriously....shops that specialize in tires sometimes forget to tighten lug nuts. Shops that specialize in brakes sometimes forget to put the backing plates on or don't get all the air out. Etc. **** happens. People make mistakes.



Sounds to me like mike was being nice to a forum member....as I'm sure you dropped i-club when you came in to the shop. Sounds like he gave you some injectors trying to help you out. SOunds like some things went wrong...terribly wrong. It sounds like mike is trying to take care of you.

So you're left with two things.....let mike take care of it and check the work yourself. OR...take it somewhere else....or do it yourself.


My question....you're in blackhawk....why didn't you take it to shiv?

I think being quiet for a month or two and letting them fix and refix is plenty of time. Now.... If you read some of my past posts I have dropped small hints to what has been going on.

( The no drama thread) where I posted
( GST Spring sale thread, Can we please fix my car now.) When I hear no responce and they have seem to drop off the face of the earth. Little reminders, My other posts,
(Who can tune ecutek in the bay area) A month or so ago. You can read this posts and see what I was leading up to.

As for other shops Your barking up the wrong tree.. I know how things go. I have worked in the "trenches" and as a regonal trainning rep. I am now a Instuctor at a automotive / motorcycle tech school. I have well over 18 years modding 60 cars and 20 motorcycles owned. I know how **** works and how **** happens. Thats it why I gave them a handful of times to fix their mistakes.
People do make mistakes.... But when its 5 times in a row ???? Its time to speak up. This is not nasa rocket work here.

I will be the only one that touches my car for now on.... Lesson learned. Just makes it tought to work 80 hours a week and then get up and mess with the car. I work really hard. I pay to play. I have never once walked into a shop and said i'm from ( so and so web site / club or what ever) greg and mike and both vouch for this. Its just not me. You offer a service. I'm here to pay.

**** happens. I posted this as to put forth my experence and hope that GST slows the snow ball for a while. And that others can learn form my mistakes that maybe not able to afford them such as I might. I'm not flow with money by any means. I do find it funny that all the gst crew think its related to me low balling or ****ty knock off parts. ****.. I have almost the Full APS catalog on my car. A PE 1820 Turbo and pe 850 injectors. Its not a ebay downpipe and a hks what ever and a super -s flow junk. I have stuff made to work togther.

GST did try and call me today. I was teaching a class. Was not able to pick it up. I will be in contact with them soon enough.

I also need to still find a tuner as my a/f ratios should not be 10:1 across the board.

P.S. He gave me the injectors because they broke the a/c line in my car. The injectors were used and two were questionable at that. But since they are not a a/c shop I figured I'd take care of the a/c myself.

Wow.. I'm a tool and I'll just run back to my tool box again.:tape:

Actually you let a shop do the work so you don't have to double check, THEY have to double check everything, hence why you pay the BIG bucks. I worked in the automotive maintenance business for a while and the one thing you learn real fast is you ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK your work, otherwise **** gets **cked up and you're the one left footing the bill. If the OP had the time to double check work, he would have done the install himself.

Yes In my line of work. You dont do this and you can kill someone. Work like this on a motorcycle I'd been dead a few times now.

soooo......is this thread doing a good job of fixing your car?

I also need to still find a tuner as my a/f ratios should not be 10:1 across the board.



did u make an appointment yet with the person I recommended?

soooo......is this thread doing a good job of fixing your car?
No its helping me vent. Do I not have that right now? As I'm tired from being in LA lastnight picking up more parts. Not to mention that my back and neck are on fire since my accident it makes it hard to do this stuff myself.

did u make an appointment yet with the person I recommended?
I'll do that tomorow. I'll have more time to go over and talk with him. I'm trying to get into a postion to have the zerosports guy tune my car. I'm was poping flames out the tail pipe before the flames out the injector /turbo area.
Flames @ both ends... :biggrin1:
One other thing I want to put out there.
Since we have had almost 2k views on this thread, If you dont have one already, please go out and buy a fire extinguisher. They are cheap and worth every dime. :thumb:

1WRX2NV - I have never met you but I know you have been around here forever. It seems like you have had gobs of work done and you know your way around getting mods done. Regardless none of your comments here are useful (mine aren't either really) and from my point of view I feel you should let these guys handle the issue themselves without continuing to say things along the lines of "your bad experiences cannot have happened because of my good experiences." This has been happening like this for years now. Just like this thread, it doesn't help anything really.




I never said "your bad experiences cannot have happened because of my good experiences." But like others has stated, posting this is not the way to go....and yes I have learned that very lesson... as some may know!! :ohwell:

BUT... I have been saying that THEY ( the 2 parties ) need to resolve this issue...we all should realy stop posting...re-read my posts.

back and forth, back and forth.

-freddie :thumb:




We should really let the parties INVOLVED handle this and quit putting our useless opinions that will keep going and going and going...06 STi said what he wanted to say...GST said what they wanted to say...WE WILL NOT RESOLE THIS BY POSTING...let them work it out.





So basically this post will go nowhere just like all the rest...back and forth, back and forth...we all can go on and on ...

We should just let them work it out...however they decide to do it. :)

I never said "your bad experiences cannot have happened because of my good experiences." But like others has stated, posting this is not the way to go....and yes I have learned that very lesson... as some may know!! :ohwell:

BUT... I have been saying that THEY ( the 2 parties ) need to resolve this issue...we all should realy stop posting...re-read my posts.

back and forth, back and forth.

-freddie :thumb:

I actually like these threads because they keep us informed of what's happening with different shops.

true, but when people keep posting the same stuff over and over it just gets eveyone worked up and nothing gets done. It doesnt really matter what we keep adding.

even if threads like this were locked and no one could add a post or bump it to the top...you could still do a search and find it if you wanted info on a shop.

and it's not like this thread will close them down...every shop on here has had 1 neg. remark at one time or another....they didnt close up shop after that. lol

damn I keep bumping it up...ahhh!!

Everyone makes mistakes whether it's GST or LIC, no one is perfect. I will continue to support GST. They are the only shop that has touched my car and the only shop I will let and I have never had any problems. Thinking about it, this is the only negative post I have seen about GST. All I usually hear is good stuff. I know Mike is a reputable person and will take care of whatever is wrong. GST + 1!!

true, but when people keep posting the same stuff over and over it just gets eveyone worked up and nothing gets done. It doesnt really matter what we keep adding.

even if threads like this were locked and no one could add a post or bump it to the top...you could still do a search and find it if you wanted info on a shop.

and it's not like this thread will close them down...every shop on here has had 1 neg. remark at one time or another....they didnt close up shop after that. lol

thats true, the threads themselves are not helpful, but the initial posts are. I wonder if everything from the initial post could be fit in the user review section, since there is an "official vendor" category

In my dealings with Mike, he's gone the distance to make sure things are made right when things unexpectedly go wrong. Remember Thanksgiving Eve Mike? Remember Mr. Dezur, who had to rent a convertible to drive back to the snow? He still laughs about that nowadays...even after he sold the Forester.

Mike was there working overtime, contacting me when we were closed in order to work to make things right again. Although it wasn't directly the fault of the shop (thanks, ECUTek), Mike overnighted a new ECU, had someone come clear across the Bay to pick it up, and had that Forester XT tuned with precision and to the exact expectations of the customer...only he far exceeded the expectations of the customer.

I'm not one to take sides, as I can see both sides of this equation. I think one more chance should be given, and the burden placed squarely on Mike...

...because I'm rather certain that if he personally gets involved and oversees everything, at this point...

...it will turn out to either meet or exceed the expectations of 06STi.

Wow!!! You're a TOOL!!! Things go wrong, F'n deal with it. Confidence and standing by ones work is just as important after the sale. You are a fool to think you're going to walk out of any shop with no problems.
GST will always do their best. In the event something goes wrong, the do their best to fix it.



Dude I think you're talking about FLI... HAHAHAHAHAHAH

I'm not one to take sides, as I can see both sides of this equation. I think one more chance should be given, and the burden placed squarely on Mike...

...because I'm rather certain that if he personally gets involved and oversees everything, at this point...

...it will turn out to either meet or exceed the expectations of 06STi.

We were already at that point. Then the fire!
Mike was the last one to touch my car. This is after it went to I think everyone else in the shop the 4 times before.

As you can all see I have covered many differant directions before this was bought out in the light.

Its not my favorite thing to do. I have covered and been more understanding then alot you guys know or think.

My car will be finished late tonight. It drives and runs now. But I lost alot of my personal time and money.

It will then get retuned ASAP..

I actually like these threads because they keep us informed of what's happening with different shops.

i know, this thread has all the right to be up...

if i owned GST i could give a F about this thread as far as business, i mean there are 100 +1's for GST for every -1, so its good to hear about these problems so stop giving 06STi crap about whining or asking for it.

Well its good that your car is up and running again since that is all you really wanted in the first place isnt it? :thumb:

As a "tech"you should know better than to drive a vehicle with any sort of problem. Once you take that car from a shop knowing the work is incomplete, thats on you. You should know this if you are a "tech". Seeing crazy gauge readings and you still drive it home? Techs don't do that. Hacks that know how to turn wrenches do. This just sounds like you are an "all knowing instructor" at some tech school with a bad attitude. Sh*t does happen and bum work is unacceptable. But you should know better, as an "instructor", driving a vehicle with these problems. The correct answer to parts not installed right is "Neat I'll be taking the keys to your shop vehicle and/or you're taking me to work". "Not I guess I'll fix this myself because I teach at Wyotech." Did i guess right?

As for tech schools. The people I have worked with from these schools I wouldn't let oil the chain on my bicycle. Sure I don't have a SMOG license but I'm not a hack thinking I'm top dog cause I went to a crappy south bay tech school. These kids have zero real world experience. Your students need to be reminded of this.

Mike is taking responsibility for what happened as he should as a mature adult. You are being immature by bringing this into a public forum to flame GST and to be flamed by me. Your "modding"powers do not scare me "Tech School Instructor".

If anything you both share responsibility in this.

seriously people for all of you that gave 06sti crap dude this is a forum. Let him say/vent whatever he wants it helps to allow people to choose what they want to do. For those that were unsure about a shop and read something like this then hey that may have helped make there decision about going to that shop easier and for those that have been happy with the shop....Well most likely they will continue to go there but either way it gives us more of an in depth view of how a bad experience can help open peoples eyes. Basically it shows what a shop may or may not be willing to do to help remedy the situation. However it seems like this shop didn't do a very good job in finishing the job right. No matter what a shop with such a great rep and good umm mechanics should be able to diagnose and fix these problems. I mean ok so u mess up thats fine no one is perfect but for the customer to give u multiple chances to fix a problem and not to be able to fix it...I know when my car was having problems I took it to the dealership to get checked when they found the problem they fixed it I didn't double check there work to make sure it was done right. I automatically assumed it was done right the first time because they are professionals.....:thumb:

As a "tech"you should know better than to drive a vehicle with any sort of problem. Once you take that car from a shop knowing the work is incomplete, thats on you. You should know this if you are a "tech". Seeing crazy gauge readings and you still drive it home? Techs don't do that. Hacks that know how to turn wrenches do. This just sounds like you are an "all knowing instructor" at some tech school with a bad attitude. Sh*t does happen and bum work is unacceptable. But you should know better, as an "instructor", driving a vehicle with these problems. The correct answer to parts not installed right is "Neat I'll be taking the keys to your shop vehicle and/or you're taking me to work". "Not I guess I'll fix this myself because I teach at Wyotech." Did i guess right?

As for tech schools. The people I have worked with from these schools I wouldn't let oil the chain on my bicycle. Sure I don't have a SMOG license but I'm not a hack thinking I'm top dog cause I went to a crappy south bay tech school. These kids have zero real world experience. Your students need to be reminded of this.

Mike is taking responsibility for what happened as he should as a mature adult. You are being immature by bringing this into a public forum to flame GST and to be flamed by me. Your "modding"powers do not scare me "Tech School Instructor".

If anything you both share responsibility in this.

I really don't understand what being a tech, an instructor, or having a smog license has anything to do with knowing not to drive a car when the gauges are giving weird numbers. I'm not a tech, an instructor, or have a smog license and I have enough common sense to know if something's wrong, don't drive it.

Though, from my point of view, it's kind of hard to notice your injectors are leaking to the point where it can cause an engine bay fire from gauges.

Let me just say though, take my opinion with a grain of salt, as none of my friends nor I have ever had a great experience with the old Gruppe-S or Mike.

As a "tech"you should know better than to drive a vehicle with any sort of problem. Once you take that car from a shop knowing the work is incomplete, thats on you. You should know this if you are a "tech". Seeing crazy gauge readings and you still drive it home? Techs don't do that. Hacks that know how to turn wrenches do. This just sounds like you are an "all knowing instructor" at some tech school with a bad attitude. Sh*t does happen and bum work is unacceptable. But you should know better, as an "instructor", driving a vehicle with these problems. The correct answer to parts not installed right is "Neat I'll be taking the keys to your shop vehicle and/or you're taking me to work". "Not I guess I'll fix this myself because I teach at Wyotech." Did i guess right?

As for tech schools. The people I have worked with from these schools I wouldn't let oil the chain on my bicycle. Sure I don't have a SMOG license but I'm not a hack thinking I'm top dog cause I went to a crappy south bay tech school. These kids have zero real world experience. Your students need to be reminded of this.

Mike is taking responsibility for what happened as he should as a mature adult. You are being immature by bringing this into a public forum to flame GST and to be flamed by me. Your "modding"powers do not scare me "Tech School Instructor".

If anything you both share responsibility in this.
once again, I'm glad for people sharing their experiences because it shows the quality of the shop/work being done.

I really don't understand what being a tech, an instructor, or having a smog license has anything to do with knowing not to drive a car when the gauges are giving weird numbers. I'm not a tech, an instructor, or have a smog license and I have enough common sense to know if something's wrong, don't drive it.

Though, from my point of view, it's kind of hard to notice your injectors are leaking to the point where it can cause an engine bay fire from gauges.

Let me just say though, take my opinion with a grain of salt, as none of my friends nor I have ever had a great experience with the old Gruppe-S or Mike.

you mean you don't have a "fire in the engine bay" gauge? n00b.

seriously people for all of you that gave 06sti crap dude this is a forum. Let him say/vent whatever he wants it helps to allow people to choose what they want to do.

werd. This ain't China or Nasioc where they sensor all bad reviews and whatnot. Comon now. One sided opinions are lousy opinions if they aren't open to discussion or debate.


damn I keep bumping it up...ahhh!!

bump :D

I try to laugh at some of the comments on here. Its kinda funny, Turn the tables a you'd be worse. I can tell by your posts. Flamming me does nothing. It shows your colors. As subaru owners we should be watching for problem like this to help each other out.

I'm sure alot of you would be quiet if I'd said my car bursted into flames in the middle of the freeway and caused a major car accident and people were hurt.

To the guy that said if he owned gst he'd not give a ****? Well.... I laugh at that. The customer well does dry up after a bit. Then you go away.

I have now decided what action to take. And I'll be letting someone else take care of this for me for now on.

Mike has not tried very hard to call me or to try and fix the few problems that has been caused.

Everyone makes mistakes whether it's GST or LIC, no one is perfect. I will continue to support GST. They are the only shop that has touched my car and the only shop I will let and I have never had any problems. Thinking about it, this is the only negative post I have seen about GST. All I usually hear is good stuff. I know Mike is a reputable person and will take care of whatever is wrong. GST + 1!!

Some people don't post their bad experiences with shops because of all the negative repercussion from i-club members that support whatever shop it may be. I hope everyone can see this.

..

...because I'm rather certain that if he personally gets involved and oversees everything, at this point...

...it will turn out to either meet or exceed the expectations of 06STi.

Yup, dude WILL take care of it, that's just the way he operates. Whatever happens Mike is a good business man in a hard line of work.

Just read through the entire thread. Me being someone who is not as mechanically inclined as others, I would take it to an "expert" of the trade and am depending on their "expert" knowledge and expertise to get it done right.

If i am paying for a service, i expect it to be done right. It's one thing to be stand up and make things right after it's been done wrong. That is a trait that is to be commended. But as a customer and a paying customer at that, we all should be expecting it to be done right at that time. Things should be doubled checked to make sure that it's right before it goes back on the road.

Anyhow, my two cents. Things are looking like they will be resolved one way or another.

Is Freddie considered a GST employee?

A recent thread announced that he is performing detailing as a service for GST.

If that's the case, is he speaking for the company?

I sure hope not.

I think being quiet for a month or two and letting them fix and refix is plenty of time. Now.... If you read some of my past posts I have dropped small hints to what has been going on.

( The no drama thread) where I posted
( GST Spring sale thread, Can we please fix my car now.) When I hear no responce and they have seem to drop off the face of the earth. Little reminders, My other posts,
(Who can tune ecutek in the bay area) A month or so ago. You can read this posts and see what I was leading up to.

As for other shops Your barking up the wrong tree.. I know how things go. I have worked in the "trenches" and as a regonal trainning rep. I am now a Instuctor at a automotive / motorcycle tech school. I have well over 18 years modding 60 cars and 20 motorcycles owned. I know how **** works and how **** happens. Thats it why I gave them a handful of times to fix their mistakes.
People do make mistakes.... But when its 5 times in a row ???? Its time to speak up. This is not nasa rocket work here.

I will be the only one that touches my car for now on.... Lesson learned. Just makes it tought to work 80 hours a week and then get up and mess with the car. I work really hard. I pay to play. I have never once walked into a shop and said i'm from ( so and so web site / club or what ever) greg and mike and both vouch for this. Its just not me. You offer a service. I'm here to pay.

**** happens. I posted this as to put forth my experence and hope that GST slows the snow ball for a while. And that others can learn form my mistakes that maybe not able to afford them such as I might. I'm not flow with money by any means. I do find it funny that all the gst crew think its related to me low balling or ****ty knock off parts. ****.. I have almost the Full APS catalog on my car. A PE 1820 Turbo and pe 850 injectors. Its not a ebay downpipe and a hks what ever and a super -s flow junk. I have stuff made to work togther.

GST did try and call me today. I was teaching a class. Was not able to pick it up. I will be in contact with them soon enough.

I also need to still find a tuner as my a/f ratios should not be 10:1 across the board.

P.S. He gave me the injectors because they broke the a/c line in my car. The injectors were used and two were questionable at that. But since they are not a a/c shop I figured I'd take care of the a/c myself.

Wow.. I'm a tool and I'll just run back to my tool box again.:tape:

I don't recall calling you a tool but it is possible. I have a bad memory.

I didn't assume you used crappy parts...I actually assumed the latter because of your address. I didn't assume that you piece mealed a turbo kit together...you pretty much said that. My point on shops installing parts they do not know the history of stands. Some shops won't do it anymore. Because you never know what you're getting into.

As for your AC line issue. If you have read any research on larger tmic you'd have read a hundred threads on ac lines getting damaged. There are ways to fix it. Which would be you doing it not the shop. They were asked to install, they installed. If you ask them to run some rubber hosing over the line or bend it out of the way they probably would have.

bad experiences like this happen and I don't know the whole story so I'm not making a stand on either side. All I know is that mike stands by his work and he ALWAYS tries to fix things if things go wrong. Shoot most of his days are taken up fixing other peoples screw ups...other shops...etc.

I hope your luck changes and you decide to push your car further. I'm sure you'll be happy with it....or you put it all back. Dump it and get an 09...haa.

and 5 times in a row on mistakes....some of the mistakes you're blaming them for it sounds like they didn't make...like the bolts...etc. And I never said you shouldn't have spoken up. God knows I probably would have...the whiney ***** that I am. What I did say is that you openned up a can of worms by doing it the way you did. You know GST is well liked and respected....should have approached it a bit more carefully that's all. Not all the drama talk.

I dont understand? If a shop is working with the parts and installing them, just because the new part makes some area of the stock not work doesn't mean they don't have to deal with it. This is why we pay them to install. Especially something obvious.... and something that there is 100's of posts about??if there are so many.......and the data is so vast........why doesn't gst know about it?

Why wouldn't they just fix the a/c line w/o him asking.......they broke it without asking him..........
I don't recall calling you a tool but it is possible. I have a bad memory.

I didn't assume you used crappy parts...I actually assumed the latter because of your address. I didn't assume that you piece mealed a turbo kit together...you pretty much said that. My point on shops installing parts they do not know the history of stands. Some shops won't do it anymore. Because you never know what you're getting into.

As for your AC line issue. If you have read any research on larger tmic you'd have read a hundred threads on ac lines getting damaged. There are ways to fix it. Which would be you doing it not the shop. They were asked to install, they installed. If you ask them to run some rubber hosing over the line or bend it out of the way they probably would have.

bad experiences like this happen and I don't know the whole story so I'm not making a stand on either side. All I know is that mike stands by his work and he ALWAYS tries to fix things if things go wrong. Shoot most of his days are taken up fixing other peoples screw ups...other shops...etc.

I hope your luck changes and you decide to push your car further. I'm sure you'll be happy with it....or you put it all back. Dump it and get an 09...haa.

and 5 times in a row on mistakes....some of the mistakes you're blaming them for it sounds like they didn't make...like the bolts...etc. And I never said you shouldn't have spoken up. God knows I probably would have...the whiney ***** that I am. What I did say is that you openned up a can of worms by doing it the way you did. You know GST is well liked and respected....should have approached it a bit more carefully that's all. Not all the drama talk.

this is my point....check your **** out. In the end YOU are responsible for YOUR car.
Yeah a shop...any shop SHOULD do perfect work but that doesn't mean it's gonna happen. It's a 10 minute fix. And I highly doubt ANY shop is gonna bend an AC line without the customer asking them to do it if they do it all.

I've had shops install things for me from time to time for the last 10 years or so. I don't think I'd ever assume it was right. Especially if I heard something slamming around while I drove.

They didn't brake anything. The installed part broke it. But that's just my opinion. Like I said before...I wasn't in the shop. It's not my car. I didn't install it.

It's why posts like this are so delicate...specially when dealing with a loved vendor. Everyone is gonna have an opinion.

Mine.....basically is that this is a crappy situation for all involved.

As for your AC line issue. If you have read any research on larger tmic you'd have read a hundred threads on ac lines getting damaged. There are ways to fix it. Which would be you doing it not the shop. They were asked to install, they installed. If you ask them to run some rubber hosing over the line or bend it out of the way they probably would have.



When the car comes in without a problem. It should leave without a problem. Thats why we pay the pros right?

It came in with it not touching the a/c line as well as the strut tower bar. It left with me having to have the strut tower removed. Then when it came loose because they didnt attach the tmic bracket corectly, They used only one of two bolts on the driverside mount, Which was not torqued and came loose. Causing the tmic to shift and It then moved backwards striking the a/c line. Fatal for the A/C line.

Anything else you want to point out as like I have said before all bases were covered.

I also want to add that during all this... A few parts including my tmic was scratched , the tmic was also stripped and had to be rewelded and re tapped.

How many of you would have said... NO you replace that ****. Not repair it...?? I let them repair it. Yes it still has the scratches and still has the burned paint were it was rewelded. They didnt even bother to clean the paint up after that.

Also how about driving with a major vaccume leak. A bov being loose on the tmic. Which could have damaged my engine. My vac @ idle is 5-7 psi
Thats not very much. Mike was also made aware of that when he was shown the work.


No one ever posts bad stuff as most are afraid of problems afterwards. I really do not care. Call me names... We all know just reading your posts where you work, Where you shop,


So once again.. I've covered every ave before posting. But enough is enough.
Pick me apart, my story apart, Because once again the glorous GST can do no wrong. It must be the customer or their car or their parts.

Stop and think of all the B.S. I had to go tough over the last month or two. The pissed off for my APS stuff getting trashed, My car getting trashed. Thats alot of **** to deal with.

Now what would you do?

I have given them a few times to make a bad problem worse or a bad problem better.... Well here we are.

this is my point....check your **** out. In the end YOU are responsible for YOUR car.
Yeah a shop...any shop SHOULD do perfect work but that doesn't mean it's gonna happen. It's a 10 minute fix. And I highly doubt ANY shop is gonna bend an AC line without the customer asking them to do it if they do it all.

I've had shops install things for me from time to time for the last 10 years or so. I don't think I'd ever assume it was right. Especially if I heard something slamming around while I drove.

They didn't brake anything. The installed part broke it. But that's just my opinion. Like I said before...I wasn't in the shop. It's not my car. I didn't install it.

It's why posts like this are so delicate...specially when dealing with a loved vendor. Everyone is gonna have an opinion.

Mine.....basically is that this is a crappy situation for all involved.


Speed, Fit and Function is all in the details.
If you dont watch the details you get this thread. :thumb:
The things you talk about are the details.

wow, that is an unreal story. I understand what it is like to have a shop do imcomplete, hasty, or sloppy work. I have never had a bolt fall off with one of my installs, but then I use lock washers and locktite on areas that flex a lot or are known to fall loosen up a nut or bolt.

To ME, it is very reasonable to want a COMPLETE job from a shop you are paying $80+ an hour to. I obviously do all of my own work, except for tuning. I cannot afford to pay a shop to do my work...not to mention it is an 5 hour drive one way to the Bay. However, the one time I did pay a shop to work on my car, I ended up having my time wasted. Parts were not ordered on time because of Subiefest II, and bolts fell off of my endlinks. Common issue right? See above comment about locktite :doh:

Anyway, as many have said you pay a professional for a professional job, not half-assed work that burns your car down. Of course you always cover your own ass, but that is more of a life motto, and should NOT be applicable when you are paying someone for work you do not have the time, tools or knowledge to perform.

Edit: Thanks for reminding me to get a fire extinguisher....probably CO2, or whatever they are using to replace Halon. What is popular in racing nowdays?

wow, that is an unreal story. I understand what it is like to have a shop do imcomplete, hasty, or sloppy work. I have never had a bolt fall off with one of my installs, but then I use lock washers and locktite on areas that flex a lot or are known to fall loosen up a nut or bolt.

To ME, it is very reasonable to want a COMPLETE job from a shop you are paying $80+ an hour to. I obviously do all of my own work, except for tuning. I cannot afford to pay a shop to do my work...not to mention it is an 5 hour drive one way to the Bay. However, the one time I did pay a shop to work on my car, I ended up having my time wasted. Parts were not ordered on time because of Subiefest II, and bolts fell off of my endlinks. Common issue right? See above comment about locktite :doh:

Anyway, as many have said you pay a professional for a professional job, not half-assed work that burns your car down. Of course you always cover your own ass, but that is more of a life motto, and should NOT be applicable when you are paying someone for work you do not have the time, tools or knowledge to perform.

Edit: Thanks for reminding me to get a fire extinguisher....probably CO2, or whatever they are using to replace Halon. What is popular in racing nowdays?

Will you quit yer blabbing online and get over here and help me get this motor out! :) J/K.

No response back from GST about my e-mail.
Looks like I'll be moving this problem forward to the correct people to deal with it.

I think its hard to know what happened, but you can't just discredit this guy. And I'm sure any shop would agree bad installs etc, are not acceptable.

No response back from GST about my e-mail.
Looks like I'll be moving this problem forward to the correct people to deal with it.

maybe call them?

No response back from GST about my e-mail.
Looks like I'll be moving this problem forward to the correct people to deal with it.

I just responded to your email, as I said in the email I was not here from Tuesday night until a few minutes ago and had no email or internet access until then as I have been out at Buttonwillow so anything emailed to me yesterday afternoon I only just saw.

Mike

I believe that things should be worked out with the shop in question before making a thread. I mean if something goes wrong, you should have initiated communications with the shop first before going online and firing the first shot before you have even established and failed some sort of dialog. But maybe this is just me :o

I believe that things should be worked out with the shop in question before making a thread. I mean if something goes wrong, you should have initiated communications with the shop first before going online and firing the first shot before you have even established and failed some sort of dialog. But maybe this is just me :o


u must not have even read the thread. He already tried to resolve the problem about 5 times already and things were getting worse.

Some things here just don't add up.

If anyone is the Poster Child for being Johnnie on the Spot, it's Mike "the Bloody Wanker" Warfield.

I have been dealing with him professionally for a few years and have seen him go way beyond doing what was/is necessary to remedy a bad situation, a customer complaint/concern, etc.

He's gone so far as to pay another shop to fix a customer-caused problem.
A problem he and his crew did not create...and he paid for it.

So, from my point of view, this is so out of character for Mike, it raises questions.

Thanks.. for the email, I'll responded back in a few

Hi, I'm here for the gang bang?

Hi, I'm here for the gang bang?

Is that all you're ever really here for? :p

yes.

Hi, I'm here for the gang bang?

Apparently you just missed it.

Is that all you're ever really here for? :p

damn 10,161 gang bangs! you need to make a video already!

Though, from my point of view, it's kind of hard to notice your injectors are leaking to the point where it can cause an engine bay fire from gauges.



yeah but you can smell the gas as soon as it starts leaking!!!

I had a leak one time and like an idiot kept driving....picked up my friend at his house and when he complained about the smell (that I was ignoring) I looked under the hood..GAS everywhere...even a trail all the way down the street back to his house...and guess what...NO FIRE!!!!

My point being that the smell of gas would have been way before a fire...I would think one would check that instead of driving a long distance ignoring that smell...( like I did )


-freddie

Is Freddie considered a GST employee?

A recent thread announced that he is performing detailing as a service for GST.

If that's the case, is he speaking for the company?

I sure hope not.


nope...I am not an employee of GST. I have been a long time customer and now a friend to MIke and the crew at GST. And yes I sometimes use his shop for details.

thanks for asking.

-freddie :thumb:

^ Are you speaking for GST Motorsports?

Your only adding fuel to my fire at this point. Which can then cause the whole mess to step up another level.

When you are working for the company that I have had a problem with, And you start atacking me. I take this as words from gst, since you work directly for or with them.



You drive from my work over the sunol grade with leaking injectors next to a hot up pipe and see what happens. Matter a fact. Lets test this on your car..... You should have no problems doing this right? I'll spring for the extra fuel for you.
If you dont want to do it. I'd be quiet for now on.

I am not speaking for GST, and I dont work there...as I have already stated...

and this fuel leak type of thing already happened to my car as I have posted.

oh and you have the right to post... just like I do...if you dont like it then you be quiet. Your the one airing your business on a public forum.

My mom says I'm handsome.

I do to :tape:

My mom says I'm handsome.
she says the same thing about me too...

Freddie...what's your deal dude? I understand your defending your friend Mike, but that's no reason to chew somebody out because they are venting about something bad that happened that happened to them. For mostly all of us on here our cars are very dear to us and when something bad goes wrong...even the littlest thing you get semi stressed out with all the work and money it takes to replace/fix it.

So what if the fuel leak happened to your car? It could have happened to a bunch of cars but that doesn't mean they're guna catch fire everytime...are you saying it is not possible for it to have caught fire?

YOU are just creating more drama than needed. Some of us like myself are learning from this thread. Even though there was a bad report on the work that GST has done I still think they are reputable and my opinion of Mike is still for the best.

-Theo

06sti...when you getting the 08!?

^ yeah really

for every +100 there will be -1 in any business, and we have the right to know whats going on.

GST Motorsports now offering professional detailing services.
We are happy to announce that we have partnered up with Midget detail Co (AKA Freddie!) to offer cut price detailing services to the local Bay Area folks.

At this time we will be offering the following packages,

I Love my midget give me the Works $150

*Engine Bay Detail (degrease and dressing)
*Hand Wash
*Hand Wax
*Windows
*Vacuum
*Interior Wipe Down w/dressing
*Wheels and Tires

I am starting to believe in the midget, Engine and Exterior only $125

*Engine Bay Detail (degrease and dressing)
*Hand Wash
*Hand Wax
*Windows
*Wheels and Tires

Screw the midget I need my doh but the car needs a little love, Exterior only $100

*Hand Wash
*Hand Wax
*Windows
*Wheels and Tires

Typically figure 3 hours for the works and less for the other services.

Call or PM for appointments and any questions you might have.


Ah... With this post... You are employed or contracted employee or said indorsed of said company(GST Motorsports). You and or your actions, views or comments directly placed in this thread reflect the views of said company,

With that, I will email Mike Warfield back directly and then take a differant path with GST Motorsports to resolve my issues plus damages.

damn, this **** is turning ****en ghey now.

I'm trying to stay out of it, but Freddy is making a fool of himself. I'm thinkin Mike should step in with him right about now.

And 06sti, don't act all high and mighty like you're gonna shake down greg for some money or something...

everyone just shut the **** up already and get this **** fixed.

And 06sti, don't act all high and mighty like you're gonna shake down greg for some money or something...
.

There will be no shake down.
I'm let the state handle it for me. With that... There will be no more comments from me about this, Other then about my car getting fixed.

yeah but you can smell the gas as soon as it starts leaking!!!

I had a leak one time and like an idiot kept driving....picked up my friend at his house and when he complained about the smell (that I was ignoring) I looked under the hood..GAS everywhere...even a trail all the way down the street back to his house...and guess what...NO FIRE!!!!

I call BS on the whole fire claim.

-freddie

Wow. you are dumb.

Ah... With this post... You are employed or contracted employee or said indorsed of said company(GST Motorsports). You and or your actions, views or comments directly placed in this thread reflect the views of said company,

With that, I will email Mike Warfield back directly and then take a differant path with GST Motorsports to resolve my issues plus damages.

This is not the case, we over the summer let Freddie detail from our premises (he has not detailed or worked out of our shop in over 2 months now) his views and posts do not reflect that of GST Motorsports or in anyway endorse our feelings, views or indifferent.

We also partner with Roger Krause Racing, Easystreet Motorsports, Calculated Risk, GOTO:Racing etc etc but neither our views, comments or posts reflects on each others businesses.

Mike

Ah... With this post... You are employed or contracted employee or said indorsed of said company(GST Motorsports). You and or your actions, views or comments directly placed in this thread reflect the views of said company,

With that, I will email Mike Warfield back directly and then take a differant path with GST Motorsports to resolve my issues plus damages.


You sound like you just have a chip on your shoulder. Telling everyone what your plans are on a public forum just shows how immature you are. I'm not talking about you venting. Word of mouth is the best and worst advertisement a company can get. Thats what is great about forums like this Sharing your problems and letting other people take them as they will is one thing. Threatening with the BAR on a public forum is low. You would come across more trustworthy if you posted this kind of attack on GST after everything was settled.

Why no pictures?

I request nudez of Paul, well @ least the bikini briefs....

http://www.i-club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60642&stc=1&d=1194633842
already got it. YWIA...

http://www.i-club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60642&stc=1&d=1194633842
already got it. YWIA...

Nice, got the morning jerk out of the way.

Here are some pics since you requested some.....

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb303/humboldtblazer/motorpull9.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb303/humboldtblazer/motorpull8.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb303/humboldtblazer/motorpull10.jpg

Guess what we were doing ;)

moar pics here.....http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2024949#post2024949

Please let greg know that I can see him with that camoflauge. He isn't hidin' from nobody :p

*****************PLEASE READ*****************


OK so heres the deal... I came home for luch today to post these final words...before I read the statements above..which I have read but will not repond too...

I will state for the last time... I am not an employee of GST Motorsports, I am not a spokesperson for GST Motorsports..with that said...

1st off..I would like to apologize to GST Motorsports for any misrepresentation that I may have caused. I did not realize that some would try to view me as an employee or spokesperson and try to use that aginst GST Motorsports...I will not post my useless comments anymore on this thread.

2nd...I want to apologize to 06Sti for any comments that I have made, that may have upset you, and I will edit my posts that were not needed... I should not have said something did or did not happen. I wasnt there...and I dont know what happened. I am sorry for whats going on, and hope you get your car fixed however you choose to get it done.
I wll not post anything further on this thread. I do offer to you ( if you choose) a free detail after your car is done...if you dont want that...I understand..but I do offer it to you anyway...thats just the type of person I am.

For the record, I slept on my comments last night and was going to post this apology. GST did NOT contact me to do this...In fact I called Mike to let him know I was sorry and told him what I was going to do. He replied with a low.."thank you". I could tell we wasnt too thrilled with my actions.

Again sorry to both parties involved...hope you both can settle this with no further issues.

take care

-freddie

****en midget...

****en midget...

QFT

Holy ****...what did you break now!?!

Holy ****...what did you break now!?!
his penis when he was whackin' it to that pic I posted of you...