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A few months ago we had a customer come to upgrade from his FP green to a garrett GT30. With the customer already having the APS 3.5in turbo back and the APS Header and not wanting to get rid of them we set out to modify his existing up-pipe and down-pipe to accommodate the GT30. Along the way the project snowballed a little into what your have before you today.


Engine:
FLI Stage 3 closed deck block.
FLI stage 3 ported heads
Cosworth 264 cams
Cosworth timing belt guide.
JDM 12mm oil pump
APS header modified by FLI
APS 3.5 in turbo back modified by FLI
APS Fuel rails
APS FMIC BOV
Power Enterprise 850cc injectors
Legacy reverse intake manifold
Perrin FMIC core
Intercooler piping custom done by FLI
Greddy Oil cooler
APS rotated mount intake
Tial 44mm waste gate
Garrett GT30 .82
Element Hydra

Suspention:
Tein FLEX coilovers
Tein EDFC
Cobb front and rear swaybars

Brakes:
Cobb SS lines
Cobb pads
Motul RBF600 fluid

Interior:
Defi BF Boost gauge
Defi BF oil temp gauge
Defi BF EGT gauge

Exterior:
Seibon carbon fiber hood
APR side mirrors




This is the car right when is came into the shop to us before all the work started.
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First step take engine out of the car.
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Next step assembling the FLI stage 3 closed deck block.
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Fully assembled long block with the FLI stage 3 cylinder heads. These heads use 1mm oversize intake and exhaust valves and a good amount of port work. If anyone is interested I have flow bench number of these vs COBB heads and version 7 STI
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Next up was modifying the APS up-pipe for the 4 bolt Garrett flange needed for the GT30. This was a pretty simple process that involved welding a section of pipe with the proper flange onto the existing up-pipe then fabbing a new support bracket for the GT30
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Here are a few more pictures with the Legacy intake manifold on it. This was a pretty straightforward mod it just required the Legacy throttle body as well as the manifold.
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Ryan
Fine Line Imports

Next up on our list was fabbing up the down-pipe this was not to hard just took a little time.
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And the finished product down-pipe
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Next up was test fitment of the intercooler pipes up-pipe and down-pipe before they went out for thermal coating and powder coating.
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Next up on our list is finishing the waste gate dump-tube and how the waste gate mounts to the up-pipe. After that its pretty much all down hill and the car will be ready for final assembly and the brake in tune. Ill post back with more pictures as the project wraps up. If anyone has any questions or comments they are always welcome.

Ryan
Fine Line Imports

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very nice !!! Congrats on the build...

Sweet Hay Zeus, that's very nice.

hawt hawt hawt

A small update on this project. The intercooler pipes came back from being powder coated and the down-pipe and up-pipe had the final welding done and were wrapped. This is the final mock up of all the piping before we move it into the STI for the final time. Hopefully some time next week we will be braking the car in and getting ready for the dyno.

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Ryan
Fine Line Imports
www.finelineimports.net

This was a long project but well worth the wait. We went with a GT35R turbo because the GT30R ran out of air :D, which I guess is a good thing right? The car will be back in a month or so for the race fuel tune and the Hydra 2.6 upgrade (now he is running the Hydra 2.5). The customer wanted to re unite with his baby before a massive power increase. This STI actually broke our 91 Octane record by 37 hp to the wheels. Max boost is set at 22 psi tapering to 21 psi.

Also, take note of the difference between the FLI reverse Legacy plastic intake manifold set up (which did not get hotter then 80 degrees) and the standard mount GT35R front mount intercooler set up that held the previous 91 Octane record on FLI's Mustang dyno. This car made 300 ft. of torque at the wheels at 3450 rpm vs. 3850 rpm.

Notes from dyno graph: Temp in room is 63 degrees with 42% humidity, IAT is 60 degrees and max boost of 22 psi.

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Miles Hechtman
Fine Line Imports
www.finelineimports.net (http://www.finelineimports.net)
tuning@finelineimports.net

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what's the benefit of using the legacy manifold?

what's the benefit of using the legacy manifold?


Without loosing the AC its the only way to do a revers intake manifold. Another up side are the lower intake manifold temps. Usually the metal intake manifold after running on the dyno for a while are in the 140 deg temp range.


Ryan
Fine Line Imports

what's the benefit of using the legacy manifold?

I'm guessing lower intake temps due to lower thermal mass transfering heat into the manifold.

Ooops...Ryan answered already!

Plus...it's sexay as hell.

How much modification did you guys do on the reverse legacy manifold??

can you use the stock cable throtle body if you put this on an 03 wrx?

That's a good point. I just notice the difference between WRX and the STi.

can you use the stock cable throtle body if you put this on an 03 wrx?



No you cant at the moment. But if you are going to run a rotated mount turbo setup you can go with the factory 03 WRX manifold so when you reverse it you can make the IC pipes even shorter.


Ryan
Fine Line Imports

How much modification did you guys do on the reverse legacy manifold??


On the actual manifold itself not a whole lot. You do need to use however a Legacy GT throttle body instead of the STI one though.

Ryan
Fine Line Imports

No you cant at the moment. But if you are going to run a rotated mount turbo setup you can go with the factory 03 WRX manifold so when you reverse it you can make the IC pipes even shorter.


Ryan
Fine Line Imports
gah i dont have a rotated mount turbo and dont really need to

did you make a jig for this yet? haha

make pipes and send em haha

Very Nice Build Up!!!

No you cant at the moment. But if you are going to run a rotated mount turbo setup you can go with the factory 03 WRX manifold so when you reverse it you can make the IC pipes even shorter.


Ryan
Fine Line Imports

So where would you re-route the throttle body cable then? If I'm just using a VF series or 20G turbo upgrade then can I still do the reverse manifold setup? Do you guys fabricate/sell reverse manifolds? Sorry for all the questions.

So where would you re-route the throttle body cable then? If I'm just using a VF series or 20G turbo upgrade then can I still do the reverse manifold setup? Do you guys fabricate/sell reverse manifolds? Sorry for all the questions.
i can field this one

yes tehy sell tehm

no they dont fabricate the manifold
they could but subaru makes it
you can turn it around but the hard part is making everything work
vaccume lines IC piping ecte ect

so group buy you and i!

so group buy you and i!

w00t~!!

gah i dont have a rotated mount turbo and dont really need to

did you make a jig for this yet? haha

make pipes and send em haha



For our shop car and a few other customers cars we did make a reverse manifold set up for the stock location turbo. Here are to examples of non legacy reverse intake manifolds. The blue car is my old car and the silver car is our shop track car.

http://finelineimports.net/index.php?main_page=fli_showroom_info&cPath=290_291&products_id=16

http://finelineimports.net/index.php?main_page=fli_showroom_info&cPath=290_291&products_id=212

I would love to have a jig setup for this but I would say we have only done seven of these setups over the past two years and all of them were a little different. While Im sure we could mock it up on the engines and cars we have here to have it fit 100 percent right like we want them to fit the car would have to be here or you would have to be willing to fiddle with it a little bit yourself.


Ryan
Fine Line Imports

gah im in so cal i wouldnt mind i can cut pipe and i can get couplers but i have to find a way to weld


hmm how much would they be?

gah im in so cal i wouldnt mind i can cut pipe and i can get couplers but i have to find a way to weld


hmm how much would they be?

Shoot me a call at the shop and we can talk about this I am sure there is something we can work out.


Ryan

Crap... I wish I'm in So Cal... :(

Crap... I wish I'm in So Cal... :(
OK me too haha

so we can save on shipping too haha


thats two of us move the shop here haha


ill call on monday is that good?

hey guys... wanna help me fab a kit for one of my customers?

btw... FLI is in nor-cal....

Hahaha... I'm in Hawaii so Nor Cal, So Cal... same distance to me.

lol why dont you figure out what you wanna do, have them fab it and take pics of installation instructions, and do it yourself?

lol why dont you figure out what you wanna do, have them fab it and take pics of installation instructions, and do it yourself?


we sure can it would be great if we could do it on a the car though. Fabing from a distance does not always work out the way it should on something custom.


Ryan
Fine Line Imports

That is really nice i bet that shii is super fast too..

Hahaha... I'm in Hawaii so Nor Cal, So Cal... same distance to me.
OK im comming to hawaii to visit family at the end of the year so ill get it and install it and then go there and install haha

446 mi – about 6 hours 52 mins
up to 8 hours 10 mins in traffic

100$ each way on gas

446 mi – about 6 hours 52 mins
up to 8 hours 10 mins in traffic

100$ each way on gas


Its a long drive but worth every penny.


Ryan

gah i just called no awnser

shoot me a call again ill make sure to pick up the phone. Im sitting right next to it.

Ryan
Fine Line Imports

OH yeah i called during lunch

how much did that setup cost with labor and all...send pm thx.