Nankang or Kuhmo??
I've had kumho 712's on my old civic, and it wasn't bad at all. I never went autoX'in on them though. I have the "kia of tires" on my WRX right now. They are the nankang ns-2's which have pretty much the same thread pattern as the 712's. I haven't had any problems with them either, whether it's wet outside or not. But again, i don't go autoX'in or anything, so i guess i haven't really tested the limits of the tires.
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OK, here is my opinion since you asked about those 2 tires i expect that you are gonna get a tire and wheel combo. I have the nankang ns-2 tires and i like um. there are only a hand full of tire companies out there popping out tires. The majority of off brand tire companies buy tires with with no name on the side of the tire and they stamp their logos ect. So if this is your situation with the t/w package go with nankang ns-2.
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OK, here is my opinion since you asked about those 2 tires i expect that you are gonna get a tire and wheel combo. I have the nankang ns-2 tires and i like um. there are only a hand full of tire companies out there popping out tires. The majority of off brand tire companies buy tires with with no name on the side of the tire and they stamp their logos ect. So if this is your situation with the t/w package go with nankang ns-2.
OK, here is my opinion since you asked about those 2 tires i expect that you are gonna get a tire and wheel combo. I have the nankang ns-2 tires and i like um. there are only a hand full of tire companies out there popping out tires. The majority of off brand tire companies buy tires with with no name on the side of the tire and they stamp their logos ect. So if this is your situation with the t/w package go with nankang ns-2.
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i was doing a little research on tire companies i want to give you an example who produces falken tire? not falken it was Ohtsu tire and rubber company. In 1961, firestone became a major share holder or their company providing $$$ and technology. then in 1981 they terminated their relationship with firestone and then became affiliated with sumitomo rubber industry.. then in 1997,sumitomo& goodyear entered into a "takeoff" agreement where ohtsu produced goodyear hi performance in japan and goodyear developed new falken tires in the us. I am giving you facts i can provide the website where you can view it if you like. So what i was trying to say is that there is a hand full of companies out there and they have sub devisions or share holders that contribute to the company via $$$ or technology. Look at brigestone. Firestone is also affiliated with them. you see where i am coming from? and yes i do think that the bigger companies are selling good preformance tires to smaller companies in bulk or the bigger companies might say;" we'll produce the tires for you with your name on them but you have to become a shareholder in our company. It does not matter what the smaller companies sell their tires for it's about making money.
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That's good to know... I always knew Ohtsu was Falken's parent company, but I didn't know that their tires differed between the Japanese and American markets. They were smart to team up with Goodyear
That's good to know... I always knew Ohtsu was Falken's parent company, but I didn't know that their tires differed between the Japanese and American markets. They were smart to team up with Goodyear
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i was doing a little research on tire companies i want to give you an example who produces falken tire? not falken it was Ohtsu tire and rubber company. In 1961, firestone became a major share holder or their company providing $$$ and technology. then in 1981 they terminated their relationship with firestone and then became affiliated with sumitomo rubber industry.. then in 1997,sumitomo& goodyear entered into a "takeoff" agreement where ohtsu produced goodyear hi performance in japan and goodyear developed new falken tires in the us. I am giving you facts i can provide the website where you can view it if you like. So what i was trying to say is that there is a hand full of companies out there and they have sub devisions or share holders that contribute to the company via $$$ or technology. Look at brigestone. Firestone is also affiliated with them. you see where i am coming from? and yes i do think that the bigger companies are selling good preformance tires to smaller companies in bulk or the bigger companies might say;" we'll produce the tires for you with your name on them but you have to become a shareholder in our company. It does not matter what the smaller companies sell their tires for it's about making money.
i was doing a little research on tire companies i want to give you an example who produces falken tire? not falken it was Ohtsu tire and rubber company. In 1961, firestone became a major share holder or their company providing $$$ and technology. then in 1981 they terminated their relationship with firestone and then became affiliated with sumitomo rubber industry.. then in 1997,sumitomo& goodyear entered into a "takeoff" agreement where ohtsu produced goodyear hi performance in japan and goodyear developed new falken tires in the us. I am giving you facts i can provide the website where you can view it if you like. So what i was trying to say is that there is a hand full of companies out there and they have sub devisions or share holders that contribute to the company via $$$ or technology. Look at brigestone. Firestone is also affiliated with them. you see where i am coming from? and yes i do think that the bigger companies are selling good preformance tires to smaller companies in bulk or the bigger companies might say;" we'll produce the tires for you with your name on them but you have to become a shareholder in our company. It does not matter what the smaller companies sell their tires for it's about making money.
My other point was specifically which tires get rebadged in these business relationships. You can bet Kumho isn't getting Eagle F1 GSD3s to rebadge and sell an identical tire at a lower price, just like you won't find S03s or Pilot Sports being sold by other companies under other names. What kind of business plan would allow another company to profit off of your best product?
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i did not post anywhere about kumo tires. also i did not say anything about rebadging the exact or identical tire. I said "good performance tire". you also mentioned pilot and so3's who makes those tires?just cuz i don't know. is it bridgestone. and i cannot give you a specific tire that is getting rebadged i am not a tire expert. or i would sell tires, i work in the operating room.
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Bridgestone makes Potenza S-03s and Michelin makes Pilot Sports. I didn't mean to come across too heavy handed in the post, it wasn't a rebuke or anything. But the research I've done, along with personal experience, has demonstrated that, generally speaking, you get what you pay for in tires. For example, S03s cost about $40-50 more per tire than Kumho Mx, and both are nearly equal in dry grip. But the Bridgestones have better manufacturing consistency and are far superior in rainy conditions. The farthest tire I've found from this curve so far seems to be the Goodyear GSD3s, which are outperforming hte S03s in a lot of tests and cost about 25% less. I'm going to use a set of those next to see how they compare to my current S03s.
Also, my mistake, you mentioned Falken not Kumho. But my statement about Kumho applies to Falken Azenis and FK451 (although the latter may indeed be a rebadged tire).
Also, my mistake, you mentioned Falken not Kumho. But my statement about Kumho applies to Falken Azenis and FK451 (although the latter may indeed be a rebadged tire).
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