Umm.... I think it is, Im not sure either, thats why I asked lol. Oh yeah and Im not one of those arrogant *** ricers either I love Domestics also, but I guess I dislike it when people start knockin on imports as being inferior cars and I'm not tryin to point the finger to you so yeah. Sounds like you know your facts about domestics very well.

 

Well, I would hardly consider myself a fan of Japanese imports, aside from very few select models. I'm much more of an American Muscle fan. I'd take a warmed up Camaro over any Japanese car on the market.

See, people talk about the Supra, Skyline, STi, and Evo as sports cars and the sort, but they're the furthest things from. Those cars are Japanese Muscle Cars. Look at the size of'em. They're big, and they are heavy (not so much the STi or the Evo....). It wasn't long ago that Mustangs and Camaros weighed about 3200-3300 lbs, which is about the same as an STi or an Evo.

Now, you're probably thinking, "well if you think they're Japanese Muscle, what do you consider a Japanese sports car?" I'd consider the 350Z, S2000, NSX, MR2, and MX-5 (Miata) all to be sports cars.

The first time I drove an STi, I immediately thought to myself, "This thing feels like an American Muscle Car!" Not to mention, the hood scoop was very reminiscent of the one found on old Mopar Muscle cars. Take place behind the wheel, and the view over that scoop just oozed of the view out of a Muscle Car.

For the record, and I've said it numerous times before, I'm not a fan of companies, but a fan of cars. Subaru makes cars I wouldn't be seen in, as does Chevrolet, Lamborghini, Ferrari, etc. I know, it's shocking that there are some Lamborghinis and Ferraris that I wouldn't want to be seen in, but I know what I like and dislike. It doesn't matter who makes it. If I don't like it, I just don't like it.

Ok, so I commented that the R32 in the race with the Camaro was a "crappy Nissan." Maybe that was overboard, but I wouldn't want one. I'll take a later model.

 

Haha yeah I know what you mean when you talk about the differentiation between the Pacific Muscles and their sports cars, its really nice to see a big domestic fan have an appreciation of Imports also. What all mods do you have on you subie. (!!HI JACKED!!)

 

The only mods I have thus far are a Cobb AP Stage 1 tune and a K&N panel filter. I'm a bit wary about upgrading to a turbo-back exhaust because of all the talk of boost creep, but I'd like an exhaust to be my next mod. I don't really have much planned for it, as I'm pretty happy with the performance as is.

I have two cars. I have my 2005 STi and a 1994 B4C (police package- 1 of 668 made) Camaro.

Yeah, it's awesome to have two great cars to choose between driving, but the downside is that I can never make up my mind which one I want to take! More times than not I end up sitting outside in front of the house trying to decide which one I'm in the mood to drive. It sucks, because when I choose one I always wish I chose the other. Life's tough all over.

I guess when I'm just out and about for a cruise I prefer the Camaro. The ride isn't as rough, and since it has an automatic, it's a bit more "leisurely" to drive, but that doesn't mean that it isn't feisty. That sucker will give the STi a serious run for its money if the decision to lay down the hammer is made. However, when the bug bites and I'm just ready to rock and roll, I can't help but choosing the STi with its 6-speed. Nothing beats the feeling of being pulled back into the seat and rowing the gears!

 

Wow your off to a good start though. Damn you have both those cars!!!! Man your lucky, I feel stupid because I dont even own a Subaru, but I've always been a devout Subaru Buff. Yeah its pretty retarded cuz I own a plain jane Civic that I refuse to mod. d-_-b But yeah hopefully by the time I graduate I'll be rolling in a badass STI like you...... and maybe an Older Mach 1

 

I've definitely owned a variety of a few different types. Over the course of my life I've been lucky (or unlucky) to own a few different makes/models of cars. Some were fun, and some were uh......just cars.

1984 Plymouth Colt
1977 Pontiac Bonneville
1971 Chevrolet El Camino (402 big block)
1995 Chevrolet S10
1994 Chevrolet B4C Camaro
2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8T
2005 Subaru WRX STi

My dad's a big Pontiac guy, and as of right now he owns a 2001 Pontiac Bonneville SLE (I think it's SLE) and a 1989 Pontiac TransAm GTA (L98 350ci).

I've driven both of his cars and they're both pretty nice. The GTA definitely feels its age though. It just feels "creaky." The handling is a bit on the non-responsive/sloppy side, despite it having the WS6 handling package (all GTAs had WS6). It just needs to be refurbished a bit, but it's in good shape. The Bonneville is a real nice cruiser. It's roomy, and acceleration is ok, and despite its size, the handling is better than what one would expect. That's not to say that I would go canyon carving in it, but it's not too bad. I would definitely purchase one as a daily driver. Nice car.....

I've been fortunate enough to drive some pretty hot machinery so I can be a bit opinionated when it comes to my tastes and feelings about cars. The latest being my brother's 2000 Accord 4cyl (with VTEC). It was surprisingly not as slow as I expected to be, but it steered ok (for a family car) and was fairly comfortable. I don't think I would purchase one on the basis of turning it into anything else though. In other words, it wouldn't be on my list of cars to mod.

I've driven everything from a Porsche 944 Turbo, Hemi Charger (new), 1970 Plymouth Barracuda (440ci), 1969 Chevelle SS 396ci, '70 Camaro SS 396ci, 1970, 2006 Mitsubishi Evolution IX, 2006 Nissan 350Z (grand touring), 2005 Pontiac GTO, 1998 Chevrolet Corvette (pace car convertible), 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo, 2000 Porsche Boxster S, 2000 Honda Civic Si, 2003 Honda S2000, 2004 Toyota MR2, 1997 Toyota Camry (yawn), and a few more....

I'm not saying that I'm the "automotive expert" by any means, but I've surely "been around."

Don't feel stupid because you don't own a Subaru. I like plenty of cars that I don't own. My advice to you is to just make some wise choices with your purchases. Look around for a nice Mach 1 that doesn't need too much work. However, consider yourself warned that you will probably pay a ton for one, regardless of the condition it's in. American Muscle Cars are HOT on the market right now.

Without a doubt, the dumbest "automotive mistake" I've made was to get rid of my 1971 El Camino. I'm currently searching for another one. After that, I think I'll be set for a while.

 

I've definitely owned a variety of a few different types. Over the course of my life I've been lucky (or unlucky) to own a few different makes/models of cars. Some were fun, and some were uh......just cars.

1984 Plymouth Colt
1977 Pontiac Bonneville
1971 Chevrolet El Camino (402 big block)
1995 Chevrolet S10
1994 Chevrolet B4C Camaro
2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8T
2005 Subaru WRX STi

My dad's a big Pontiac guy, and as of right now he owns a 2001 Pontiac Bonneville SLE (I think it's SLE) and a 1989 Pontiac TransAm GTA (L98 350ci).

I've driven both of his cars and they're both pretty nice. The GTA definitely feels its age though. It just feels "creaky." The handling is a bit on the non-responsive/sloppy side, despite it having the WS6 handling package (all GTAs had WS6). It just needs to be refurbished a bit, but it's in good shape. The Bonneville is a real nice cruiser. It's roomy, and acceleration is ok, and despite its size, the handling is better than what one would expect. That's not to say that I would go canyon carving in it, but it's not too bad. I would definitely purchase one as a daily driver. Nice car.....

I've been fortunate enough to drive some pretty hot machinery so I can be a bit opinionated when it comes to my tastes and feelings about cars. The latest being my brother's 2000 Accord 4cyl (with VTEC). It was surprisingly not as slow as I expected to be, but it steered ok (for a family car) and was fairly comfortable. I don't think I would purchase one on the basis of turning it into anything else though. In other words, it wouldn't be on my list of cars to mod.

I've driven everything from a Porsche 944 Turbo, Hemi Charger (new), 1970 Plymouth Barracuda (440ci), 1969 Chevelle SS 396ci, '70 Camaro SS 396ci, 1970, 2006 Mitsubishi Evolution IX, 2006 Nissan 350Z (grand touring), 2005 Pontiac GTO, 1998 Chevrolet Corvette (pace car convertible), 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo, 2000 Porsche Boxster S, 2000 Honda Civic Si, 2003 Honda S2000, 2004 Toyota MR2, 1997 Toyota Camry (yawn), and a few more....

I'm not saying that I'm the "automotive expert" by any means, but I've surely "been around."

Don't feel stupid because you don't own a Subaru. I like plenty of cars that I don't own. My advice to you is to just make some wise choices with your purchases. Look around for a nice Mach 1 that doesn't need too much work. However, consider yourself warned that you will probably pay a ton for one, regardless of the condition it's in. American Muscle Cars are HOT on the market right now.

Without a doubt, the dumbest "automotive mistake" I've made was to get rid of my 1971 El Camino. I'm currently searching for another one. After that, I think I'll be set for a while.

 

I've definitely owned a variety of a few different types. Over the course of my life I've been lucky (or unlucky) to own a few different makes/models of cars. Some were fun, and some were uh......just cars.

1984 Plymouth Colt
1977 Pontiac Bonneville
1971 Chevrolet El Camino (402 big block)
1995 Chevrolet S10
1994 Chevrolet B4C Camaro
2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8T
2005 Subaru WRX STi

My dad's a big Pontiac guy, and as of right now he owns a 2001 Pontiac Bonneville SLE (I think it's SLE) and a 1989 Pontiac TransAm GTA (L98 350ci).

I've driven both of his cars and they're both pretty nice. The GTA definitely feels its age though. It just feels "creaky." The handling is a bit on the non-responsive/sloppy side, despite it having the WS6 handling package (all GTAs had WS6). It just needs to be refurbished a bit, but it's in good shape. The Bonneville is a real nice cruiser. It's roomy, and acceleration is ok, and despite its size, the handling is better than what one would expect. That's not to say that I would go canyon carving in it, but it's not too bad. I would definitely purchase one as a daily driver. Nice car.....

I've been fortunate enough to drive some pretty hot machinery so I can be a bit opinionated when it comes to my tastes and feelings about cars. The latest being my brother's 2000 Accord 4cyl (with VTEC). It was surprisingly not as slow as I expected to be, but it steered ok (for a family car) and was fairly comfortable. I don't think I would purchase one on the basis of turning it into anything else though. In other words, it wouldn't be on my list of cars to mod.

I've driven everything from a Porsche 944 Turbo, Hemi Charger (new), 1970 Plymouth Barracuda (440ci), 1969 Chevelle SS 396ci, '70 Camaro SS 396ci, 1970, 2006 Mitsubishi Evolution IX, 2006 Nissan 350Z (grand touring), 2005 Pontiac GTO, 1998 Chevrolet Corvette (pace car convertible), 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo, 2000 Porsche Boxster S, 2000 Honda Civic Si, 2003 Honda S2000, 2004 Toyota MR2, 1997 Toyota Camry (yawn), and a few more....

I'm not saying that I'm the "automotive expert" by any means, but I've surely "been around."

Don't feel stupid because you don't own a Subaru. I like plenty of cars that I don't own. My advice to you is to just make some wise choices with your purchases. Look around for a nice Mach 1 that doesn't need too much work. However, consider yourself warned that you will probably pay a ton for one, regardless of the condition it's in. American Muscle Cars are HOT on the market right now.

Without a doubt, the dumbest "automotive mistake" I've made was to get rid of my 1971 El Camino. I'm currently searching for another one. After that, I think I'll be set for a while.

 

Alright, what the hell's going on here? How did my last post get posted 3x's?

Sorry....

 

LOL the times are the same too

 

YEAH! Something strange happened. Last night I don't know if the forum was running slow, or if it was my computer, but I hit the "Submit" button to post and nothing happened, so I hit it a few more times. Maybe that just caused the site or my computer to repost like 3x's.

 

Sinister brings up an excellent point... It's hard to be a plain-Jane auto enthusiast. If you own a "domestic", then you must be a red-neck who doesn't know anything about import cars. If you own an "import" then you must be a fan of driving around a figure "8" with excessive ammounts of oversteer.

This point is particularly pertinent with turbo american cars. Most of the people (even the most frenzied of enthusiats) who see a Grand National think it's a hoopty Regal that some cholo and 6 of his friends are cruising in just waiting to "hit da switches" and debating which color "candy" to make it. Moreover, the Syclone and Typhoon owners who are berated for a "S-10" or "little SUV" who's trying to race". The 1989 Pontiac Trans Am 20th Anniversary Edition I believe is still the fastest production Firebird, and it is a turbocharged American car. We don't exactly "fit-in" with the Camaro guys..... but we certainly don't fit in with the "Fast n' Rediculous" crowd either.

 

The T-Type/GN/GNX are basically they're own niche. They don't fit into any category. Most people have no clue what they're even looking at when they see one of these cars.

Turbo TransAm? Yes, it is one of the fastest F-Bodies ever built, and it owes its status at the top to the GNX-based turbo motor. Is it the fastest of all F-bodies built? Who knows, but claims have been made that these cars ran the 1/4 in the mid 13s, which would absolutely SLAUGHTER a Corvette of the same time period. LS1 cars are arguably faster than the 1989 Turbo TransAm, but I have personally NEVER witnessed an LS1 F-body running faster than 13.60s in stock trim.

So, why was the T-Type/GN/GNX/Turbo TransAm cancelled? Simple. It's because GM "got them right." Whenever people like a car, GM cancels it.

Ok, seriously.....those cars were cancelled because they would out-perform the Corvette, period.

 

Yeah Thanks for the Advice Im definately afraid to look for a Mach 1 just because of the price but it doesnt hurt to try. I also want to try to find a Toyota Supra which is probably gonna be just about as hard, but in actuality it, hopefully, would be a little easier than a Mach 1.

 

If you want a classic American Muscle Car, a Supra isn't going to quench that thirst, regardless of how much you modify it. I can tell you first-hand that there is NOTHING that compares to the feeling of a classic American Muscle Car.

May I suggest a car like a 1974 GTO or 1974 Cuda maybe? The GTO should be found for very cheap (about $7,000 in very good condition), but the Cuda may still carry a price of about $15,000.