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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
Do you know the power a well put together scarp book could have in a revolution?

OK OK seriously though, I think this stuff has probably gone on for years. With an administation that can't seem to keep it's **** together for 5 minutes combined with the fact the Dems are on a witch hunt and are looking for GOP blood........it's a recipe for exposure.

I think you may be right. I also think that we're finally hearing about it because it doesn't have to be as safeguarded thanks to the PA.

I don't think the Pentagon had to read a manual on how or why to do this... they've done it all along.
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 10:37 AM
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...you sound a lot like a member of the SS man...
I'm ready for a modern return of McCarthyism, and so is most of our country. That shiz would be better than ANY of the reality tv shows on right now.

I suggest a hybrid "running man-style" execution after convictions for un-American activities! Forget this drawn-out tookie-style stuff.
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 10:42 AM
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...and so is most of our country...

bullshi*. No American wants other Americans to be persecuted for their political ideals. Wait...let me rephrase that...no American who actually values the rights this country affords us would want other Americans to be persecuted for their political ideals. You really need to figure out that personal freedoms ARE more important than your paranoias...personal freedom really is what this country is about when it comes down to it, and we're losing ground to the rest of the world in this respect.
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
bullshi*. No American wants other Americans to be persecuted for their political ideals. Wait...let me rephrase that...no American who actually values the rights this country affords us would want other Americans to be persecuted for their political ideals. You really need to figure out that personal freedoms ARE more important than your paranoias...personal freedom really is what this country is about when it comes down to it, and we're losing ground to the rest of the world in this respect.
Whooooooooa boy. Don't get carried away! Most Americans want subversives imprisoned, muted, or neutralized in some fashion. Just like free speech is limited to limit personal harm, so should personal and political freedoms prevent harm to the country.

Many of the laws to prosocute subversives is already on the book, and these laws USED TO BE enforced. It is ludicrous to somehow contend that we are losing freedom when people can freely say now what used to get them locked up or "suicided."

In other words, stfu.
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 11:13 AM
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What I'm saying is that you, I can tell from your posts, would rather have false positives (people who are innocent being followed/detained/whatever) than giving Americans the benefit of the doubt...that's wrong.


In other words, just because someone doesn't agree with our gov't or your opinion doesn't mean they are subversive.


I hope you get blacklisted, just so you can experience what type of authoritarian schlock you espouse.

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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I'm ready for a modern return of McCarthyism, and so is most of our country.
The second half of your statement is frankly false. most of our country treasures the constitution and all it stands for.

Just because you hate freedom doesn't mean that everybody does.

In fact, if you are against freedom, you are with the terrorists.
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 12:21 PM
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In fact, if you are against freedom, you are with the terrorists.

Some call the Department of Defense!!! Investigators!!! Where are you???
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
I hope you get blacklisted, just so you can experience what type of authoritarian schlock you espouse.
I already have been. Why do you think libs tick me off?
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I already have been. Why do you think libs tick me off?
whatever
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 01:14 PM
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you guys shouldnt be worried about the .mil'rs you should be living in fear of the .com'rs, .gov'rs and .org'rs...

Think commerical companies, think TLA's, think FBI etc.

.mil is ehh they are and should be more focused on the same stuff that some of the TLA's are focused on. It is pretty damn bad when more and more stuff attention is being brought in house. mainly on us citizens who have NO TIES TO OUTSIDE COUNTRIES/NATIONSTATES.

But hey **** all i say
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
It will always happen. I know it sounds Orwellian for me say that but I feel it's true. Suspicous individuals that a gov't agency/official see as potential threats will always be investigated. On 9/11 look at all the intel we had on the highjackers and we still couldn't stop them from destroying our largest fiscal symbol. It might just be me, but imagine the potential for disaster if we let things just go into entrophy. I don't do anything illegal, so (and again) I don't mind compromising the privacy of other potential wrong-doers to protect the American public. They're obviously not going to be to overly concerned with the Average Joe. They don't have the time of day to investigate people on threat lists let alone the aggregate American public. Again, just my opinion.

You probably would change your mind if you knew how easy it is to A. Find information publicly and privately. B. Knew what sort of conclusions, assumptions, judgements can be made from such private and public information. C. Were ever "investigated" on such a level.

Lets just say it doesnt take a CIA strike team to find out a **** TON about an indvidiual to the point where you could "guess" intent, actions, reactions, etc in certain situations.

Hell just dumpster diving someone you can find a crap load of information on them (even if you dont get bills and what not). Food preferences, life style choices, magazines, junk mail, etc. It all adds up to build a profile, and depending on the information you have that can be a very very very interesting portait of an individual. Of course this is all assuming your mark isnt on to the fact that you are watching him. Then you get in to the whole "intentional tainting of information" deal.

Not that i know much about the tactics the feds use, but as an infosec dweeb i know how i would do things, and that alone should scare the beejebus out of everyone. (i know it makes me think twice or three times about things).
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I'm ready for a modern return of McCarthyism, and so is most of our country.
Is it me or is Hella getting more wacked out everyday or what? Is he off his meds? This guy is nuts now.
Old Dec 14, 2005 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I already have been. Why do you think libs tick me off?

Really? Prove it then.
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