why we cant compete with foreign oil suppliers
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Where are you getting all this? I was saying that when the station's tank in the ground is close to empty a truck is nearby to fill it up again. Meaning that there's no shortage here or anywhere and that station's tanks do not dry-up once they run out. You're reading into what I'm saying too much.
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Where are you getting all this? I was saying that when the station's tank in the ground is close to empty a truck is nearby to fill it up again. Meaning that there's no shortage here or anywhere and that station's tanks do not dry-up once they run out. You're reading into what I'm saying too much.
I heard, and i have posted this before.
If Exxon, BP, Chevron, Shell, and Conoco Phillips only made a $60 billion profit instead of $120 billion we could still be paying $2 at the pump.
Only 2 bucks wouldnt that be great. i remember when it hit $2 and $3 and everyone was freaking out.
and soon it will be $5 and $6 and we will laugh about how we were trippin when it hit $4.
so so sad... and depressing.
If Exxon, BP, Chevron, Shell, and Conoco Phillips only made a $60 billion profit instead of $120 billion we could still be paying $2 at the pump.
Only 2 bucks wouldnt that be great. i remember when it hit $2 and $3 and everyone was freaking out.
and soon it will be $5 and $6 and we will laugh about how we were trippin when it hit $4.
so so sad... and depressing.
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Fact remains that it only costs somewhere between $5 and about $20 to extract a barrel of oil from any of the operating fields, so in fact, Saudis and Venezuelans are some of the only people paying anything resembling true supply and demand driven, cost based prices.
Speculation and "peak oil" fears have the rest of the world at the mercy of JP Morgan and other investment firms who have nothing to do with the production, processing, transportation or delivery, but through market manipulation they have artificially driven futures and thus crude prices to the insane levels we see these days.
According to Reuters, April petroleum consumption in the United States went down 3.9% from March, to the lowest level for any April in six years, yet even with a decreasing demand, the market is so inflated that the oil companies will continue to post record profits.
Until the speculators are forced to actually back up the bets they place on futures with real assets, this con game is going to continue until the country is in ruins.
Speculation and "peak oil" fears have the rest of the world at the mercy of JP Morgan and other investment firms who have nothing to do with the production, processing, transportation or delivery, but through market manipulation they have artificially driven futures and thus crude prices to the insane levels we see these days.
According to Reuters, April petroleum consumption in the United States went down 3.9% from March, to the lowest level for any April in six years, yet even with a decreasing demand, the market is so inflated that the oil companies will continue to post record profits.
Until the speculators are forced to actually back up the bets they place on futures with real assets, this con game is going to continue until the country is in ruins.
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Simply blaming the speculators is really not going to do much. If you look at the consensus in the energy industry and among economists, most of the increases in oil prices still come down to supply and demand, as well as a weak dollar. Obviously they are playing some role, but they are significantly less important than politicians are portraying them as. Most of the attempts to reign in speculation at best are going to have little or no effect, and at worst will increase prices. Here is some interesting reading if you have the time.
Interesting analysis of oil prices:
http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/...ice_funda.html
Really good analysis of the market
http://www.instituteforenergyresearc...peculators.pdf
Interesting analysis of oil prices:
http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/...ice_funda.html
Really good analysis of the market
http://www.instituteforenergyresearc...peculators.pdf
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Fact remains that it only costs somewhere between $5 and about $20 to extract a barrel of oil from any of the operating fields, so in fact, Saudis and Venezuelans are some of the only people paying anything resembling true supply and demand driven, cost based prices.
Speculation and "peak oil" fears have the rest of the world at the mercy of JP Morgan and other investment firms who have nothing to do with the production, processing, transportation or delivery, but through market manipulation they have artificially driven futures and thus crude prices to the insane levels we see these days.
According to Reuters, April petroleum consumption in the United States went down 3.9% from March, to the lowest level for any April in six years, yet even with a decreasing demand, the market is so inflated that the oil companies will continue to post record profits.
Until the speculators are forced to actually back up the bets they place on futures with real assets, this con game is going to continue until the country is in ruins.
Speculation and "peak oil" fears have the rest of the world at the mercy of JP Morgan and other investment firms who have nothing to do with the production, processing, transportation or delivery, but through market manipulation they have artificially driven futures and thus crude prices to the insane levels we see these days.
According to Reuters, April petroleum consumption in the United States went down 3.9% from March, to the lowest level for any April in six years, yet even with a decreasing demand, the market is so inflated that the oil companies will continue to post record profits.
Until the speculators are forced to actually back up the bets they place on futures with real assets, this con game is going to continue until the country is in ruins.
This may be the first time I've 100% agreed with you. Great post. Absolutely right. Everyone read this post and forget any hype you hear elsewhere. As I said before, we're basically at war which a bunch of greedy *******s that have unlimited resources to do play russian roulette with our lives.
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Simply blaming the speculators is really not going to do much. If you look at the consensus in the energy industry and among economists, most of the increases in oil prices still come down to supply and demand, as well as a weak dollar. Obviously they are playing some role, but they are significantly less important than politicians are portraying them as. Most of the attempts to reign in speculation at best are going to have little or no effect, and at worst will increase prices. Here is some interesting reading if you have the time.
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Psoper,
This may be the first time I've 100% agreed with you. Great post. Absolutely right. Everyone read this post and forget any hype you hear elsewhere. As I said before, we're basically at war which a bunch of greedy *******s that have unlimited resources to do play russian roulette with our lives.
This may be the first time I've 100% agreed with you. Great post. Absolutely right. Everyone read this post and forget any hype you hear elsewhere. As I said before, we're basically at war which a bunch of greedy *******s that have unlimited resources to do play russian roulette with our lives.
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