haha, touche, but no....

 

And? As an infantryman I unselfishly huddled with other soldiers in order to distribute body heat in sub freezing temperatures to avoid hypothermia. Soldiers of all colors that I held a sacred bond with to the death if need be. The position in which we huddled was known as "nut to butt" in the military (how’s that for gay). We gladly shared food, equipment, dry clothing, gold bond for our nuts/feet, and whatever else a comrade needed without hesitation. We even pissed and **** while a “battle-buddy” stood watch pulling security. It never made me gay or ever want to become intimate in a sexual way. You'll be suprised what one will do in order to survive in the outdoors.

As for dances I can think of numerous occasions when my men would do things as a group, even a few instances when we danced at clubs in Europe with very few women in sight. Ask any of the combat-arms guys here and they know exactly what i'm talking about in this post.

Sounds like these “historical accounts” are fabrications and assumptions from those that have never once had a close relationship with a member of the same sex in an environment/profession that can kill you.

 

True.

 

No...I was refuting Salty's (unproven) claim that there is no hisory of homosexuality in cowboy culture.

I provided evidence, from a historian of cowboy culture, to the contrary.

Your anecdotal evidence does nothing to refute the statements in my link, and specifically ignores certain aspects.

I wonder how anybody got the idea for a gay rodeo...HEY! THERE MUST BE LOTS OF GAY COWBOYS OUT THERE.

 

Couldnt they have picked a different name for the damn movie??? ugh

 

Yeah really, I was thinking the same exact thing.

 

You did? You seemed to provide opinion or assumptions rather than "evidence."

All your "evidence" did was tell us that Cowboys shared close bonds much similar to modern-day soldiers while on the range. Close bonds real cowboys/soldiers shared that could be confused for something else, and sleeping in very close quarters that is still done in military training and war. Other than that you pointed out a somewhat bigoted tidbit that assumes being able to dance, or dance with other males is gay. I've danced at a sausage party before and i'm not gay. Tribal dancers dance with other males all the time and they aren't gay either.

And yes, I did not present "evidence" either which is part of my point.

But here’s the thing... to coin a movie as "An American Classic" almost suggests that being a gay cowboy was more common place than being a normal, woman loving cowboy of that era. “An American Classic” is Tombstone, not a fabricated story based on homosexual encounters in an era which little indisputable, supporting evidence exists regarding such matters.

Can you see how this is offensive to a lot of people? It's gotten to the point where being hetrosexual is a distant trend to those pushing and supporting a pro-homosexual agendas, as if it's not the more-dominate reccuring biological trait anymore.

 

Oh please hetrosexuals that feel that gay life style is being pushed down their throats need to stop living in the past. It was bound to happen that a sub culture in America would finally become accepted. Why are so many straight individuals worried about what gays do or don't do. If you don't like it don't watch it. Simple as that. I support gay rights but I don't want to see a movie about two gay cowboys. So guess what I did? I didn't watch it and have no plans of ever watching it. Wow, such a hard concept to grasp.

 

The gay subculture is TOLERATED, not accepted.

First, people are complaining because the gay mafia is attacking masculine American symbols, and no other historic masculine American image is more pervasive throughout the world than the cowboy.

Second, people are complaining because in-spite of the fact of poor box office sales, the movie was given unearned awards and PR just because it was a gay movie. If you ask me, that's gay!

And last, what do you mean by "gay rights." Do you mean special rights, like "1/2 off vasaline?"

 

Tolerated by some, accepted by others, celebrated by yet others. My best friend is gay, and the gay subculture doesn't bother me any more than the heterosexual subculture.

I must point out thatthe polls use the terminology of "accept/accepted/acceptance" not "tolerate/tolerated/tolerance" The one thing you can accurately say is that you tolerate, but do not accept gays.

What the hell is the "gay mafia" and why do you call this movie an attack? The movie is a story about two men who have a relationship. First of all: Ang Lee is not gay...secondly, portraying a story about two gay cowboys is hardly an attack on american masculinity. It can hardly be said that there were/are no gay cowboys...heard of gay rodeos?

I think the movie was given the awards on it theatrical merits. Awards are not commensurate with box office receipts...they usually are tied to artistic merits, which are often inversely proportional to ticket sales.

You are an idiot.

Dude, you are on crack.

BBM is #10 all time per screen box office ranking for theater screen average and #9 all time opening weekend box office ranking.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...ckmountain.htm

 

I don't think people that feel gay culture is being pushed are necessarily living in the past. I accept homosexuality as a lifestyle outside of the heterosexual lifestyle and always have. It just reminds me of a spotlighting attention ***** trying to butt in front of everyone to get attention. Yes, you're different! Surprise, everyone is different! You do not need to flaunt it to be accepted. I would respect you much more if you came down to my level as a human being.

Fair enough and I absolutely agree with you. I am not going to see the movie either. I only posted a thread on the matter in order to have a discussion. If it wasn't for that I would have kept it to myself. *shrug*

 

I think eventually what you see as them getting attention will fade away as they become more and more main stream. It won't be as much as of a "shock" value anymore. Thats the main reason they get this much attention, its because its "new" to the main stream. I bet in five to ten years a lot of this will have died down. I just don't see it as the gay culture being pushed down anyones throat. I see it as people finding something new to ***** about. Its not that hard to not watch movies, shows, whatever that have gay content on them. Unless you watch E! or other channels like that you are pretty much in the clear.


I bet Hella watches E!.

 

I am asking this just to clarify your your post here.

Do you think that the term, "An instant American classic" which is usually about the plot of a movie, that has been tagged with this film has been given based off its artistic style/merits?

 

Dude, you're on crack! Heterosexual=Normal, Homosexuality is an anomaly, a disfunctional abnormality that would, if occuring too often, lead to the extinction of the human species.

Scientists still do not understand the underlying causes of homosexuality, but it is probable that there is some genetic flaws in homosexuals and "nature" is trying to keep them from propagating.

One caveat is that homosexuals can CHOOSE to live in heterosexual relationships in order to raise families, and I understand that this movie addresses that.

No, the distinction between "tolerate" and "accept" is accurate. If people accepted homosexuality, there would not be a debate about this movie. This movie would have gone straight to video without all of the free PR.


Believe it or not, a minority of gays are strategically targeting cultural icons so that the deviant gay lifestyle will be accepted as "normal" in the next few decades. When you focus on a single pixel, it's hard to see the entire picture. Step back a bit and take a look.


Maybe so.

 

HAHAHA, awesome.

But I am going to agree with HD here, surprisingly. I do not think that homosexuality is normal. If somehow they could procreate, then I would. I do "tolerate" gays. I have some friends that are gay. So therefore, I guess you could say that I accept them as well. Would I be disappointed if I had a son that turned out to be gay? Very.


In regards to the movie:
I wouldn't doubt for a second if there were gay relations back in the cowboy era. All the lonely, drunk, horny guys. Wouldn't surprise me at all. But I think a movie about it will probably give off the idea that it was more common that it actually was.