This is why Bush will win.
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Originally Posted by njc200
Actually, it was 1993. February 26, 1993.
Clinton was inaugurated January 20, 1993. A little over a month in office and he gets blamed for not stopping the bombing all the time by the media and right-wingers.
Clinton was inaugurated January 20, 1993. A little over a month in office and he gets blamed for not stopping the bombing all the time by the media and right-wingers.
It has nothing to do with putting the blame on Clinton's shoulders. I'm making the point that there wasn't any "W" "gung-ho" attitude remotely present when Osama planned the WTC attacks in 1993.
Muslim faith, foreign policy and Redneck "Get'er done" attitude aside, we were (and still are today) dealing with radical individuals that exploited their religious faith to make it seem okay to exterminate our way of life.
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
Remind me again when Iraq struck us first?
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Muslim faith, foreign policy and Redneck "Get'er done" attitude aside, we were (and still are today) dealing with radical individuals that exploited their religious faith to make it seem okay to exterminate our way of life.
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Originally Posted by Salty
Muslim faith, foreign policy and Redneck "Get'er done" attitude aside, we were (and still are today) dealing with radical individuals that exploited their religious faith to make it seem okay to exterminate our way of life.
Our blind support of Israel and our direct neglect of the Palestinians people is an example of why alot of the muslim world distrusts us.
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
...our direct neglect of the Palestinians people is an example of why alot of the muslim world distrusts us.
Neighboring Islamic counties WILL NOT accept any Palestinian as refugees.
Why?
Because these Muslim nations do not want a peaceful solution...they want Isreal gone.
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Originally Posted by Salty
Thanks for the clarification, njc200.
It has nothing to do with putting the blame on Clinton's shoulders. I'm making the point that there wasn't any "W" "gung-ho" attitude remotely present when Osama planned the WTC attacks in 1993.
It has nothing to do with putting the blame on Clinton's shoulders. I'm making the point that there wasn't any "W" "gung-ho" attitude remotely present when Osama planned the WTC attacks in 1993.
You are free to disagree, but if you do, there is really no point in trying to have a rational discussion.
Originally Posted by Salty
Muslim faith, foreign policy and Redneck "Get'er done" attitude aside, we were (and still are today) dealing with radical individuals that exploited their religious faith to make it seem okay to exterminate our way of life.
...what's that old saying, "pride comes before a fall".
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Neighboring Islamic counties WILL NOT accept any Palestinian as refugees.
Originally Posted by Oaf
Why?
Originally Posted by Oaf
Because these Muslim nations do not want a peaceful solution...they want Isreal gone.
Policies get dictated by those in power, and those in power in Israel seem to act as though they think they have a monopoly on truth and justice when in fact their policies show utter contempt for both.
And the US siding with them only makes us more hated in that part of the world.
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Originally Posted by BlingBlingBlue
Bush Sr. had been in office for the previous four years, and Reagan had been in office 8 years prior to that. I believe that their foreign policy had much to do with fostering militant Islamic extremism. These groups take years to plan an attack. Remember how the Bush Sr. administration told Iraq that we would not meddle in it's affairs a few days before Iraq went into Kuwait? We told them we didn't care then declared war on them in a matter of days. That is only one example of US foreign policy which recruits terrorists.
You are free to disagree, but if you do, there is really no point in trying to have a rational discussion.
You are free to disagree, but if you do, there is really no point in trying to have a rational discussion.
This is only partially true and I'm willing to admit that. Esracer stumbled over the other major reason as to why they hate us with the following...
Originally Posted by esracer
Maybe some people should step back and look at America and model after it, no we are not the perfect country, but atleast our freedom and our rights make us have the least problems compared to other countries.
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Horse ****!!
Neighboring Islamic counties WILL NOT accept any Palestinian as refugees.
Why?
Because these Muslim nations do not want a peaceful solution...they want Isreal gone.
Neighboring Islamic counties WILL NOT accept any Palestinian as refugees.
Why?
Because these Muslim nations do not want a peaceful solution...they want Isreal gone.
Every radical Muslim group and country always has!
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Originally Posted by psoper
Wow that is really amazing that you know how the "Muslim mind" operates, you must be some kind of mind reader, what awesome powers you have Salty!
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Originally Posted by esracer
Iraq struck Kuwait first which brought the whole thing with America against Iraq
Yes Saddam was a very bad man and in the long run things will be better for the Iraqi people. BUT, We went into this war for one thing (WMD's) and now that there aren't any they change it to "well he was bad so it is good that he is gone now." You bought their BS hook, line and sinker.
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it has been know through polls and such that people are glad that Sadam is gone and, the man committed several crimes and deserves to be routed out. So we liberated a nation, now there is still fighting going on, but atleast the man is out, and people are happier.
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Originally Posted by psoper
I'm pretty sure that isn't true, Syria and Lebanon have taken in as many as they can over the years, the problem is they can't take them all.
Might it be because they think the Palestinians might deserve to stay on land that they've lived on for generations?
I'm sure that is probably true of some PEOPLE within these neighboring muslim nations, but to say it is true of all of these nations is a really bigotted racist thing to say, there is probably a significant majority in all of those countries that would prefer a peaceful solution, but policies aren't dictated by the majority there anymore than they are around here.
Policies get dictated by those in power, and those in power in Israel seem to act as though they think they have a monopoly on truth and justice when in fact their policies show utter contempt for both.
And the US siding with them only makes us more hated in that part of the world.
Might it be because they think the Palestinians might deserve to stay on land that they've lived on for generations?
I'm sure that is probably true of some PEOPLE within these neighboring muslim nations, but to say it is true of all of these nations is a really bigotted racist thing to say, there is probably a significant majority in all of those countries that would prefer a peaceful solution, but policies aren't dictated by the majority there anymore than they are around here.
Policies get dictated by those in power, and those in power in Israel seem to act as though they think they have a monopoly on truth and justice when in fact their policies show utter contempt for both.
And the US siding with them only makes us more hated in that part of the world.
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
Ya they are so glad. Thats why they are fighting as insurgents against our forces.
Of course the majority of non-insurgents aren't too happy with the American's ongoing occupation of Iraq but I guarantee you they're thankful Saddam's out of power.
Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
What are you blind? There have now been more american deaths than since the "End of major combat operations"
Care to share your vast military statistics with the rest of us?
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Originally Posted by Salty
Here we go...
Care to share your vast military statistics with the rest of us?
Care to share your vast military statistics with the rest of us?
And these are taken from this Military Casualty website.
http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/castop.htm
Before April 30, 2003
Hostile 109
Non-Hostile 29
Total 138
After May 1, 2003
Hostile 623
Non-Hostile 218
Total 841
Now try to comprehend what the "End of Major Combat Operations" means to you. I know you are ex-military so it shouldn't be hard. Damn Salty I thought you would have known this already since you are indeed Military. It has been over the amount during the "major" stuff for some time now. It is just a shame that we are losing all these good men and women for something that was "justified" by BS and Bad Intelligence.
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Nevermind... I didn't grasp what you were refering to regarding the "End of major combat operations" quote.
I thought you were going to start posting Vietnam and WWII statistics in comparision to OIF like they actually compared.
Disregard & carry on
I thought you were going to start posting Vietnam and WWII statistics in comparision to OIF like they actually compared.
Disregard & carry on
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Originally Posted by Salty
Nevermind... I didn't grasp what you were refering to regarding the "End of major combat operations" quote.
I thought you were going to start posting Vietnam and WWII statistics in comparision to OIF like they actually compared.
Disregard & carry on
I thought you were going to start posting Vietnam and WWII statistics in comparision to OIF like they actually compared.
Disregard & carry on
