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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
America was a different country then. The morale was a post-depression seperatist mentality. The US tried everything it could to stay out of it until pearl harbor. Popular support was for staying out of europe. It just came with the package when we declared war on the emperor.

Very well said.

Additionally, there was more overt anti-Jewish sentiment back in those times. When people liked Charles Lindbergh --an American hero-- embraced **** rhetoric many people didnt bat an eye.
Old Nov 10, 2005 | 06:11 PM
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one of the reasons why they didnt get it working was the fact that the brits kept sabatoging it..
Old Nov 10, 2005 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
Didn't the Germans have Jet propulsion before we did?
That is correct.
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We joined WWII because our allies needed help, and more importantly because Germany had torpedoed a bunch of our civilian ships (hostile action). If Saddam had taken hostile action against us, it'd be a different story...but he didn't. Sorry Hella, nice try.
Sorry for the late arrival. I know it's already been answered. But Vibe is correct. The US stayed out of the war as long as it could until we were attacked on Dec. 7, 1941. Four days later, war was declared on us, by Germany.

MV, you might be able to look at it like this. Couldn't Germany be compared to the US NOW? They attacked us for basically no reason but for gain of power, really. Although, I would not support this accusation. Just a thought.
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 10:20 AM
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...I didn't want to bring up the fact that in the current war we are more like WWII era **** Germany than we are like WWII era America, but in a way you're right...
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
...I didn't want to bring up the fact that in the current war we are more like WWII era **** Germany than we are like WWII era America, but in a way you're right...
So you side with the throat-cutters?
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
Yeah, they had a few jets in the air but they sucked. I think they even had a vtol or something too.

I remember hearing about the allies timing being hinged on their paranoia of german jet technology.
The German ME-262 (first rocket propelled fighter ever) was awesome. It could fly twice as fast as a B-16 bomber and had 4 20mm cannons. There were stories of 2 or 3 Me-262s scrambling and shooting down nearly 30-40 bombers. The American pilots feared them more than anything else because Allied fighter protection couldn't get them.
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
So you side with the throat-cutters?
are u serious? How does making a comparison = chosing sides?
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
If that's the way it went down then Hella's comparison is even more off base...in WWII we were attacked and war was declared on us. In Iraq, we invaded before WE even declared war...



...not to mention that, as hella admits, we KNEW the ***** had the hard water and plutonium, while all of our evidence connecting Saddam and WMDs was unreliable and unconfirmed.
Wrong!!! We staged in Kuwait prior to the invasion. We declared war prior to any conventional troops stepping foot into the country as dictated by Geneva Conventions. The key word there is "conventional".
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jvick125
are u serious? How does making a comparison = chosing sides?
Are u serious? Anyone who would ever compare Hitler's **** Germany to GW's administration (or the U.S. in general) in our fight against Islamic Extremism has probably got an agenda... I'd suggest it's an anti-US/ pro Islamic Extremist one, or at-the-least, a mis-guided anti-US attitude.

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Old Nov 11, 2005 | 12:55 PM
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What my major point of this thread is that one major reason (if not the greatest one) for doing the ground invasion in Germany itself, was to find Hitler's secret Hydrogen bomb program and facilities. After the war was over, it was concluded such a threat did not exist, as Hitler's program never got off the ground.

Does any of this matter? No. Were we justified in killing so many civilians? I think so.
Why is it that today's liberals have no problem with that, but today they are so fixated with WMDs? Maybe it's because they have so many STDs?
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 01:33 PM
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Well you digressed from your "major point" by asking if MV is a throat cutter (or whatever).
Originally Posted by HellaDumb
What my major point of this thread is that one major reason (if not the greatest one) for doing the ground invasion in Germany itself, was to find Hitler's secret Hydrogen bomb program and facilities. After the war was over, it was concluded such a threat did not exist, as Hitler's program never got off the ground.

Does any of this matter? No. Were we justified in killing so many civilians? I think so. Why is it that today's liberals have no problem with that, but today they are so fixated with WMDs? Maybe it's because they have so many STDs?
You're just.... weird, man. I don't think I will ever fully understand you.
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 01:45 PM
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the rumor of Hitler having a hydrogen bomb was the reason for us building our bomb, not for going to war. Japan attacking us was the reason for us going to war, period.
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jvick125
Well you digressed from your "major point" by asking if MV is a throat cutter
I did not ask if MV is a throat-cutter, imply he sides with "them" in his anti-Americanism. By the way, that's an attack of his political statements, and not a personal attack.

I'd have a drink with him, but wouldn't sip from the same cup .

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Old Nov 11, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by case1
the rumor of Hitler having a hydrogen bomb was the reason for us building our bomb, not for going to war. Japan attacking us was the reason for us going to war, period.
Not sure I follow that logic. Are you suggesting that Pearl Harbor is the reason we pushed inside of Germany?
Old Nov 11, 2005 | 02:19 PM
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^^NO. just saying that the rumor or "intelligence" that Hitler had a bomb was a not a reason for us joining in the European theater, the bomb rumor/intelligence was only a reason for us building our bomb/s.
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