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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:02 AM
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One of the major reasons we entered the WWII in Europe was because we feared that Hitler would have the hydrogen bomb in addition to its already advanced missile technology (in other words, because of WMDs).

In that war, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians were killed in the name of stopping Hitler, but what about the WMDs? It turns out that German physicists knew conceptually how to make it, had created heavy water to produce plutonium, but apparently were not able to get their secret reactor up and running (due to many reasons).

Were left-wing politicians and American citizens mad about the failed intelligence? Did they talk about the "true" reason we were there, and question the reasons for going to war?
Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
One of the major reasons we entered the WWII in Europe was because we feared that Hitler would have the hydrogen bomb in addition to its already advanced missile technology (in other words, because of WMDs).

In that war, hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians were killed in the name of stopping Hitler, but what about the WMDs? It turns out that German physicists knew conceptually how to make it, had created heavy water to produce plutonium, but apparently were not able to get their secret reactor up and running (due to many reasons).

Were left-wing politicians and American citizens mad about the failed intelligence? Did they talk about the "true" reason we were there, and question the reasons for going to war?
I think the whole, eradication of 6 million jews had something to do with that....

not sure though....
Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
I think the whole, eradication of 6 million jews had something to do with that....

not sure though....

We didn't know about that until the end of the war. There's no doubt the admin was insecure about the rocket technology the *****' posessed.

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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:18 AM
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We didn't know about that until the end of the war. There's no doubt the admin was insecure about the rocket technology the *****' posessed.
Coupled with the fact that they were rolling over sovereign nation after nation and taking over Europe. I would bet that had a little more to do with it than their rocket technology. But of course they were nervous about it. Didn't the Germans have Jet propulsion before we did?
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We joined WWII because our allies needed help, and more importantly because Germany had torpedoed a bunch of our civilian ships (hostile action). If Saddam had taken hostile action against us, it'd be a different story...but he didn't. Sorry Hella, nice try.
Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:23 AM
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Yeah, they had a few jets in the air but they sucked. I think they even had a vtol or something too.

I remember hearing about the allies timing being hinged on their paranoia of german jet technology.
Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
We didn't know about that until the end of the war.
We may not have known the extent to which Jews were being slaughtered, but we definitely knew what was happening as the war unfolded.
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That could be true about the allies timing but we entered the fray because the Allies were getting their asses handed to them like MV said.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262

Me 262

We "entered" the war because the Japanese bombed pearl harbor. If I remember correctly, germany declared war on the US.

Following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Germany declared war on the United States on 11 December 1941

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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
We "entered" the war because the Japanese bombed pearl harbor. If I remember correctly, germany declared war on the US.

If that's the way it went down then Hella's comparison is even more off base...in WWII we were attacked and war was declared on us. In Iraq, we invaded before WE even declared war...



...not to mention that, as hella admits, we KNEW the ***** had the hard water and plutonium, while all of our evidence connecting Saddam and WMDs was unreliable and unconfirmed.
Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
We didn't know about that until the end of the war. There's no doubt the admin was insecure about the rocket technology the *****' posessed.
Rocket technology was just the tip of the iceburg. British intelligence indicated that Germany was in the process of developing a hydrogen bomb. Sound familiar?

British and U.S. physicists joined forces so that we could beat Germany to the punch, and it's just a twist of events that resulted in its use on Japan in-stead.

So how about it? I bet you if Kennedy and the left-wing-extremist-liberal party had been in-charge of the Democratic Party, they'd have been screaming bloody murder.

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...as hella admits, we KNEW the ***** had the hard water and plutonium, while all of our evidence connecting Saddam and WMDs was unreliable and unconfirmed.
Not true.. it was based on faulty intelligence in WWII, but in Iraq, WMDs were conveniently shipped to their neighbors.

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America was a different country then. The morale was a post-depression seperatist mentality. The US tried everything it could to stay out of it until pearl harbor. Popular support was for staying out of europe. It just came with the package when we declared war on the emperor.

While some specific sitiations are comparable, the war as a whole is not.
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What part was faulty intelligence...not the part about hard water, that was confirmed...and then later we found the hard water facilities with the Mountain Division (forget what #, 101th I think, SF on telemark skis, very badass) and blew it up. You should give up...the WMD justification is not a parallel between WWII and the current war in Iraq in any way. **** Germany presented us with WAY more reason to go to war with them then Iraq EVER has...give it up.

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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
The US tried everything it could to stay out of it until pearl harbor. Popular support was for staying out of europe. It just came with the package when we declared war on the emperor.

While some specific sitiations are comparable, the war as a whole is not.

Thank you for being honest and not just flying the anti liberal flag like Helladumb is trying to...
Old Nov 10, 2005 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Thank you for being honest and not just flying the anti liberal flag like Helladumb is trying to...
Well thank you for carrying the liberal flag



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