Well, i mean - quite literally, i will never know thats really what happened, and neither will you. Some of the point that were brought up in contrary were pretty damn interesting, and some points in favor were too. Also, the bottom line is that conspiracy theories are fun, if they were'nt fun, and say, were more akin to hemmroids or somthing, people wouldnt like them and devote their time to them. In a society this large its fun to make believe that you have any idea what the hell is going on. Lol, so will you please give me that one thing?

 

Is this the original video?

http://www.freedomunderground.org/me...e/pentagon.php

Interesting to watch but my original posts above still stand IMHO... not to mention, it's hard to argue with actual AA record, pictures of a twisted fuselage and disapproval from snopes.com above.

 

Bump.

Now that psoper has the juice cranked up to full-throttle on his tinfoil hat I wanted some solid answers on this thread.

 

After reviewing the above data, I have concluded three things:
-the Pentagon was attacked by rebels hailing from the planet of Tituba
-the reason for the attack was that the Pentagon was actually built by a different set of rebels from the planet Flatsula
-the current state of conflict in the US and around the world is the result of an intergalactic battle between female-dominated super-races of aliens, and their conflict stems from the difference between the sizes of their mamary glands (which are sometimes refered to as battle-bags among the various factions)


The moral: find a nice girl with nice, well shaped, B or C sized ***** and claim nutrality in the battle for universal domination.


(MY hat is made of a special titanium alloy with carbon wings and HIDs...much better than tin foil hahahahahaha)

 

boobies

 

OK Salty you want to know my take on 9/11, here it is in a nutshell.

Dick Cheney directed the whole thing from Washington, under the guise of several "terrorist training drills" so that the expected intercept responses from Norad and the ANG were halted because commanders thought that these hijackings were part of these drills.

I think that the planes were flown by remote control, although I fully expect that there were some radical Islamists led to believe that they were on a "mission from Allah" to hijack the planes, and lend some token creidbility to the official story, but they couldn't have known the real plan, and couldn't have had the skills or reliability needed to fly the "final mission" with certainty.

The "missile hit the Pentagon" hypothesis is being promulgated by those in the know- as disinformation to discredit anyone who even questions the "official story"

But the destruction of the world trade centers was done for two reasons;

1) to obliterate records of international criminal activities carried out by certain "friends" of the administration, and

2) to serve as the PNAC's "new Pearl Harbor" an attack of such enormity and complete outrageous proportion that the nation would be spurred to otherwise untenable levels of hatred, so that those really in power could accelerate their plan to take over the world.

Go ahead, try to prove to me that any of these points are wrong, I don't think you can- because there is more evidence out there supporting my story than there is supporting the "official" story.

 

Is this a joke? I sure hope so. I can easily prove that this is wrong. First of all, "intercept drills" require fighters in the air....before 9/11, it wasn't standard to have fighter jets flying around waiting to shoot down civillian airliners over major cities. It takes time to get a fighter into the air. They aren't like cars...you can't just start them up and rev the engine. And, haha, in another surprise, they're not always sitting with live ordanance hanging off the wings on the runway, ready to fire at a moment's notice.

First of all, how do you explain the interviews with friends and phone operators, who received calls from the doomed flights telling of arab terrorists threatening the plane??? Are all those people in on the conspiracy too? How about the reporters who interviewed them, are they paid off?

Oh, that's right, the US put radical islamists on the plane...if the US can fabricate the whole thing, why bother risking exposure of the plans by involving US-hating islamic radicals????

The missile in the pentagon is 100 percent bunk. I know several people who WATCHED the airliner hit the pentagon. That one really gets my goat. You never see witnesses from DC to this missile theory, because everyone who saw the impact saw the friggin' airplane.

1) Yeah, I know who you're talking about...jews. Guess what dude: The Israelis don't store their state secrets in the WTC. They're like any other government; their intelligence secrets are guarded at home. To believe otherwise is downright silly. It's also stupid to believe that the WTC, a security nightmare in terms of foot traffic, would be chosen as a site to store secrets that could topple governments in the first place.

2) Just the pentagon would've been a good pearl harbor, or numerous other hits that didn't send the entire U.S. economy into a slump, and wipe out management of some pretty serious investment banks. The empire state building, for example. If you're going to shoot yourself, you do it in the foot....you don't shoot yourself in the spine to fake being attacked.

Your references to "those in the know" and so on are evidence of the fact that your sources are so ridiculous, or without substantiation, that it's better to pretend they're really good and say "someone important told me". I suspect the person in the "know" is whoever wrote dragonmasterDnDplayer's geocities page on the WTC, or something similar.

I thought Salty was lightly ribbing you with that tin foil hat picture. Now I'm wondering if it's really you.

 

To be honest I don't expect to be able to make you change your mind, but I will take a few minutes to respond since you asked me to;

Well, I never said "intercept drills" I just said training exercises, if they'd been conducting intercept drills we might have seen one or more of those flights intercepted, instead we did not even see any fighters in the air until after the towers had fallen.


Well our ANG is supposed to have fighters ready to scramble to defend our airspace, otherwise they wouldn't be our "national guard". I admit that I don't know the exact details of what the warm-up cycle for an F-16 is and everything, but I have seen the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels, and even with all their ceremony and parade crap, those guys could have been dispatched in a matter of minutes rather than the hour and a half or more that it actually took that day.

I never said that those things didn't happen...

The US didn't have to "put" them on the plane, we only needed to have a couple of investigations stalled, and have a few people not reporting or acting on what was known about whatever plot was being hatched.

You never explained to me how these hacks who couldn't pass flight school were supposed to have flown those missions with such accuracy and precision?

The plane that hit the pentagon came in just a few feet off the deck, you don't attend flight training for a few months then barnstorm a 757 like that, it just can't happen.

Finally, a point you and I actually agree on!
Where we disagree is that I think the missle bit is a diversion, disinformation designed to discredit anyone that doesn't agree with the official story.

I never said anything about "jews" -those are your words, not mine.

I don't actually know all of the specifics on this point either, but between the "put options" on the airlines and the basic fact that hundreds of billions of dollars worth of financial records were destroyed, I have to ask serious questions about who really benefitted from the WTC destruction, and I have to believe that there are business associates of the administration who no doubt reaped some windfalls from that catastrophe.

You won't like to hear this, but those points work into my theory as well -the Pentagon was hit from an angle that only damaged the recently re-modeled section, it was a purely symbolic gesture and not a serious attack intending to damage our command and control.

Whereas the WTC was not the spine of this country, as you might want to suggest, it was a huge symbol of our presence in international trade though, and as you point out, it's loss wiped out some pretty serious investment banks, the same kinds of banks that would be loaning billions- and expecting payback from outfits like Enron, Arthur Anderson, and Halliburton.


That could be one take, on the other hand- if there is a genuine conspiracy and cover-up, those "in the know" are going to be a small and very powerful group who know that their very lives depend on those secrets being kept secret.


I'll say it again, I really hope everything I've suggested here is wrong, but between the secret energy policy meetings, pipeline plans that Unocal had brought Taliban leaders over to talk about, the administrations resistance to investigations and unwillingness to testify under oath to the commission, the rush to (both) wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.... none of it adds up.

until you consider whose agenda was far and away advanced the most by the entire affair;

The Project for a New American Century.


please, someone prove me wrong!

 

Alright, now before I start on the point by point, I'd like to point out what is conspicuously missing from your post: EVIDENCE.

Let me number them above so you can easily refer.

1. Fighters take time to get in the air. They don't fly around on training missions with live ammo for the most part either. End of story, you didn't even really contest this point.

2. The hardest part of flying, or so a pilot told me recently, is landing and takeoff. Moving around in the air is actually pretty easy. Not even close to an issue. Hitting some of the largest buildings in the world is hardly a "precision feat", especially given that they did have flight training.

3. Yeah, the plane that hit the pentagon hit the ground first too. Hardly an "expert" move that could only have happened by remote control.

4. Alright, then whose "war crime" secrets were hidden at the WTC? And would you please answer my charge that the WTC is a foolish place to store a secret?

5. How insulting to the victims. More people died in the pentagon attack than in OKC. If it weren't for the Pentagon being built like a tank, the whole thing could've gone up in smoke theoretically. Make no mistake, the damage to that building was massive. The thing put out a plume of smoke for almost a week (if not more) afterwards that you could see all over the city.

6. The WTC most certainly was a major part of the US economy. Remember the slump? It wasn't everything, but it most certainly was a big part of the recession that we did have.

7. Yeah, so what you're basically saying is, you don't have any evidence there was a conspiracy. Your explanation for not having evidence is that people kept it a secret. Let me ask you this: If it's a secret, and only a small group know about it, what reason do you have to believe it's true? "Small group conspiracy" isn't an explanation for what happened on 9/11, it's an excuse for why there's no credible evidence to support your ideas.

As for agendas, let's see: Bush faced a recession, the risk of another major terrorist attack, AND lots of conspiracy nuts on the left who blamed him for Osama (even though Osama rose to power with the Taliban under Clinton.) Tell me, please, what more justification you would've liked to see for the war in Afghanistan. They were harboring the man who has said on video himself that he was responsible for the September 11th attack. He's also blown up two US embassies and bombed a US Navy ship. The Taliban admitted they had Osama. So, where was the rush????

The only agenda that's been served by 9-11 is the conspiracy nut faction on the internet. Now they have lots of people searching the net for information, and finding their geocities pages loaded with pages of stuff they write in between prescription refills.