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I always get a kick out when liberals defend todays primitive, fundamental style of Islam vs. todays ever-progressing Christianity by comparing it to a time when Christianity was primitive.
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Listen this conversation is like kicking a dead horse and honestly that was me saying the last of my side. But to answer your question, you can learn from fear and educate yourself and overcome your fear or let your fear consume you and rule your decisions. And your right moslty death threats and harrassment but is that ok NO. That is all.
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As in **** Germany, not all Muslims are bad.
But just like **** Germany, all it takes is a few corrupt ****s to use/abuse their positions of power to cause a lot of trouble for the rest of the world.
The "few" bad Muslims simply kill those "good" Muslims that oppose them.
And don't even bring up the crusades & say that the muslims were just defending themselves. It's a load of liberal bull****.
Explain these Muslim lead killings and show how they were "defending" themselves:
1. Thailand: Violence continues unabated in the Muslim south
2. Schoolgirls in the gunsights of the Taliban
3. Muslims Kill Elderly Buddist Couple.
But just like **** Germany, all it takes is a few corrupt ****s to use/abuse their positions of power to cause a lot of trouble for the rest of the world.
The "few" bad Muslims simply kill those "good" Muslims that oppose them.
And don't even bring up the crusades & say that the muslims were just defending themselves. It's a load of liberal bull****.
Explain these Muslim lead killings and show how they were "defending" themselves:
1. Thailand: Violence continues unabated in the Muslim south
2. Schoolgirls in the gunsights of the Taliban
3. Muslims Kill Elderly Buddist Couple.
but you actually said exactly what i have been saying the whole time and I wanted to thank you the highlighted section in your quote is exactly my point.
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. And for the most part I have agreed with most of the points presented, just because you dont agree with me doesn't make me wrong.
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Ahhh there it is... the “that is all” post. 
I just hate the argument that all this oppression is happening to American-Muslims when there's virtually nothing happening whatsoever. I’m willing to bet that the extremely obese guy you see wearing sweats and a low-cut shirt with his belly sticking-out gets FAR more ridicule and stares than the women with beautiful eyes wearing the Hijab (they all look like hotties under that garb, btw).
And of course it is not okay but what can you do? People harass and vandalize other people for far less. Instead of looking at the glass half-empty by inflating the situation on acting out of fear, I think it speaks volumes of how tolerant Americans have become of Islamic practitioners on our soil.
I just hate the argument that all this oppression is happening to American-Muslims when there's virtually nothing happening whatsoever. I’m willing to bet that the extremely obese guy you see wearing sweats and a low-cut shirt with his belly sticking-out gets FAR more ridicule and stares than the women with beautiful eyes wearing the Hijab (they all look like hotties under that garb, btw).And of course it is not okay but what can you do? People harass and vandalize other people for far less. Instead of looking at the glass half-empty by inflating the situation on acting out of fear, I think it speaks volumes of how tolerant Americans have become of Islamic practitioners on our soil.
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Man, you're professors have really thrown you for a loop. I feel obligated to bring up the atrocities of Spanish colonists on the indigenious central and south American populations. And the IRA? All for the sake of Christianity. Between their physical acts of violence and the diseases they introduced they killed more people per capita than any other religion in the world. With that said I feel obligated to bring up the outrage the IRA brought for their entire Catholic religion. Priests from around the world were raising cane over what they were doing. I don't see any Muslim organizations even so much as making a publication condemning terrorists activities in the world today.
As far as the religion of Islam and it's followers goes, go anywhere in the middle east and profess you are not a Muslim and you will be instantly segregated. The kingdom of Saudi Arabia will not even let foreigners attend their schools if you are not Muslim. In the eyes of all true Muslims anyone who doesn't make their 5 daily "salat" and make "Hajj" (pilgramige to Mecca) they are considered a "nonbeliever" or kafir (unpure/infidels).
I've worked in the Middle East and within both hostile and nonhostile Muslim factions for most of my career and to say that most Muslims are tolerant would be a gross exaggeration. The reason I've been so successful so far is because of my knowledge of their religion and costumes. Simply fasting during Ramadan and offering peace upon the Prophet will take one far in relations to the demographic there.
When their religion steps up the plate and takes action against the extremists by condemning them and seeking to end the violence many of its followers incite I will be impressed. Until then, I will continue with my opinion that Islam is an intolerant, violence fueled religion easily controrted by its followers.
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Thank you for sharing your opinion and information, but I choose not to argue anymore on an opinion based topic that is so delicate, because people are passionate on either side of the table.
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Show me one significant source of a Muslim based organization making a worthy effort of detering terrorists from distorting a religion to fit their needs. The fact of the matter is is that we aren't fighting raging Buddists, Taoists, Protestants, Jewish or atheists fundamentalists. Radical Islam is the most violent pseudo-religion in the world and the rest of their peers are doing NOTHING to prevent them from high-jacking a religion that once ruled the world (Ottoman Empire). Ironically jihadists fight the infidels with weapons now produced in "infidel" occupied countries. Uzi ... Jewish ..........AK....Soviet....... M16........... American.
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I never claimed that there was any such organizations whatsoever, what I did say is not AAAAAALLLLLLLLLL muslims are to blame. YES the extremists are, this is seriously a very quick race in a small circle. I was unaware that I am not aloud to say that so whatever.
I realize what the war is about, and I realize that radical muslims have distorted the intended message and led the people involved into disallusion and that's not ok.
oh and here is that one link: http://www.freemuslims.org/about/
this will also point out what you guys have all been saying.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/fe...youth_8-15.pdf
http://www.cair-net.org/includes/Anti-TerrorList.pdf <-I think this one is a list of all kinds of
mosques and islamic leaders against terrorism
http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?...071&theType=NR
heres a few more.
I realize what the war is about, and I realize that radical muslims have distorted the intended message and led the people involved into disallusion and that's not ok.
oh and here is that one link: http://www.freemuslims.org/about/
this will also point out what you guys have all been saying.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/fe...youth_8-15.pdf
http://www.cair-net.org/includes/Anti-TerrorList.pdf <-I think this one is a list of all kinds of
mosques and islamic leaders against terrorism
http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?...071&theType=NR
heres a few more.
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Religion of Peace!?!Honour killing victim raped and tortured 'to let her soul out'
Killed for loving the wrong person.
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Banaz was garrotted for five minutes but took half an hour for her to die as her killers stamped on her neck to "let her soul out".
Last month her father Mahmod Mahmod, 52, and his brother Ari Mahmod, 52, were found guilty of murder.
They ordered her execution because they believed she had shamed the family by falling in love with the wrong man.
Last month her father Mahmod Mahmod, 52, and his brother Ari Mahmod, 52, were found guilty of murder.
They ordered her execution because they believed she had shamed the family by falling in love with the wrong man.
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Exactly, there are 1.3 BILLION muslims in the world and only a handful of respectable, non-violent organizations promoting Islam.
True or not, I don't know, but it makes a point.
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Hooray for Michigan State University!
Well, what do we have here? Looks like a small case of some people
being able to dish it out, but not take it.
Let's start at the top.
The story begins at Michigan StateUniversity with a mechanical
engineering professor named Indrek Wichman. Wichman sent an e-mail to
the Muslim Student's Association. The e-mail was in response to the students'
protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a
terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were "hate speech."
Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the following:
Dear Moslem Association:
As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to
protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by more
mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on
public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the
latest in Turkey), burnings of Christian churches, the continued
persecut ion of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia
law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called
"******" in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland,
and the rioting and looting in Paris France. This is what offends me,
a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many of my colleagues. I
counsel your dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized
slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with
your infantile "protests."
If you do not like the values of the West - see the 1st Amendment -
you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose
that option. Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them
up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.
Cordially,
I. S. Wichman Professor of Mechanical Engineering
As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university did n't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded and mandatory diversity training for faculty and a seminar on hate and discrimination for freshman. Now the chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe that the good professor had the right to express his opinion.
For its part, the university is standing its ground, saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks. That will probably change. Wichman says he never intended for his e-mail to be made public, and wouldn't have used the same strong language if he'd known it was going to get out.
Well, what do we have here? Looks like a small case of some people
being able to dish it out, but not take it.
Let's start at the top.
The story begins at Michigan StateUniversity with a mechanical
engineering professor named Indrek Wichman. Wichman sent an e-mail to
the Muslim Student's Association. The e-mail was in response to the students'
protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a
terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were "hate speech."
Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the following:
Dear Moslem Association:
As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to
protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by more
mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on
public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the
latest in Turkey), burnings of Christian churches, the continued
persecut ion of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia
law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called
"******" in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland,
and the rioting and looting in Paris France. This is what offends me,
a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many of my colleagues. I
counsel your dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized
slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with
your infantile "protests."
If you do not like the values of the West - see the 1st Amendment -
you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose
that option. Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them
up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.
Cordially,
I. S. Wichman Professor of Mechanical Engineering
As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university did n't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded and mandatory diversity training for faculty and a seminar on hate and discrimination for freshman. Now the chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe that the good professor had the right to express his opinion.
For its part, the university is standing its ground, saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks. That will probably change. Wichman says he never intended for his e-mail to be made public, and wouldn't have used the same strong language if he'd known it was going to get out.