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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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"sand monkey" is frankly racist verbage. You should redact it. This thread should be locked.
Bull****. You only think it's a racist comment because you automatically assume that's all anyone without your views is capable of, especially someone from the right. It’s no worse than saying redneck or hillbilly.

The point is that they have everything in the their hands but continue to let it slip through their fingers. It's a very ignorant part of the world if you think about it. You have a country where half of it's citizens cannot even write in their native language. They find someone to follow that's equally ignorant but with a bigger set of lungs and a fatter head (Sadr).

They just can't come to terms with how a peaceful society is supposed to work. I thought that maybe they'd be able to make it happen but no dice! Instead, they'd rather strike fear into society much like the mafia rigs a jury in a trail or decide not to play because they're pouty. This is the monkey ignorance i'm referring... the sand reference is because they are in the Middle East. They continue to amount to this time and time again. ****'em.
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi

If it were up to me I'd pull all conventional troops from Iraq within the next 6 months no questions asked. Upon leaving I would leave stay behind cells of spec. ops teams and their support. This would force their military to step it up in the likes of security. The spec. ops teams would do nothing but hit hard target terrorists points (i.e. 100% guarantees of activity)day and night . I would have air support overhead at all times and tons of aerial surrviellance. Anything those teams need I'd give it to them. As far as material support; if the Iraqis want it then can fly to a friendly nation and get or accept it at their ports. We'll get them back on their feet but not with Private Joe Schmo in convey waiting to get IEDed back state side.
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 03:07 PM
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Yes, that is brain dead gov't officials at their best. That probably cost about 300 soldiers their lives. Thank you political correct...ness.

If it were up to me I'd pull all conventional troops from Iraq within the next 6 months no questions asked. Upon leaving I would leave stay behind cells of spec. ops teams and their support. This would force their military to step it up in the likes of security. The spec. ops teams would do nothing but hit hard target terrorists points (i.e. 100% guarantees of activity)day and night . I would have air support overhead at all times and tons of aerial surrviellance. Anything those teams need I'd give it to them. As far as material support; if the Iraqis want it then can fly to a friendly nation and get or accept it at their ports. We'll get them back on their feet but not with Private Joe Schmo in convey waiting to get IEDed back state side.
Decent idea but why not just start now but by pulling battalions or brigades at a time until we reach this level? Same idea. As far as i'm concerned there shouldn't be a reason why we couldn't pull back forces starting yesterday.

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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 03:35 PM
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Holy irrelevant comparison batman.

The answer is nothing because the citizens of NOLA were acting out of desperation and severe mental stress. .
Okay, so here's what you say about the Katrina victims:

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they showed up to the city center like a guest without potato salad and a ketchup at a BBQ. It's just plain stupidity.
So what is different about the citizens of camebridge or oxford than (your example) than about the citizens of Iraq and NOLA?

Citizens of camebridge and oxford are overwhelmingly white.
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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Bull****. You only think it's a racist comment because you automatically assume that's all anyone without your views is capable of, especially someone from the right. It’s no worse than saying redneck or hillbilly.

The point is that they have everything in the their hands but continue to let it slip through their fingers. It's a very ignorant part of the world if you think about it. You have a country where half of it's citizens cannot even write in their native language. They find someone to follow that's equally ignorant but with a bigger set of lungs and a fatter head (Sadr).

They just can't come to terms with how a peaceful society is supposed to work. I thought that maybe they'd be able to make it happen but no dice! Instead, they'd rather strike fear into society much like the mafia rigs a jury in a trail or decide not to play because they're pouty. This is the monkey ignorance i'm referring... the sand reference is because they are in the Middle East. They continue to amount to this time and time again. ****'em.
im calling major bullsht ont his one eric...

sand monkey is one step away from sand ****** and you know it, stop acting like you didnt mean it in the way you did...
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What about a camel jocky? heck, what about a kangaroo jocky?
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
im calling major bullsht ont his one eric...

sand monkey is one step away from sand ****** and you know it, stop acting like you didnt mean it in the way you did...
Exactly...and he pulls this shyte all the goddamm time.
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What about a camel jocky? heck, what about a kangaroo jocky?
That's not the same as comparing a race of people to simians.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
What about a camel jocky? heck, what about a kangaroo jocky?
you forgot doon koon.
Old Oct 25, 2005 | 06:04 AM
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Decent idea but why not just start now but by pulling battalions or brigades at a time until we reach this level? Same idea. As far as i'm concerned there shouldn't be a reason why we couldn't pull back forces starting yesterday.
I agree. I just said the next six months because it'd be impossible to just pick up everything and leave whole-peice tomorrow. I mean everyone out within the next six months (i.e. the last Bradley, M1A1, 2 1/2 ton truck, etc... is out as of April 25). I don't think having conventional troops walking around doing visible security is effective after doing it for two years +. When you junior officers and NCOs are planning routes differently everyday and running out of them because the insurgents know they're coming it's time to change plans. I don't put soldiers in danger if it isn't 100% necessary to accomplish the mission. You know that as a prior servicemen. The insurgents are a hell of a determined enemy and we have seen them adapt very well to our style of warfare. That doesn't see much though since we've been doing the same thing since day 1.

I think it's time for General Schoomaker to say "I'm not happy with the way the Army (since they experience the majority of the casualties) is being used in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Starting tomorrow changes are going to be made in a big way." Look at Afganistan; nearly all combat operations there are done by Spec. Ops teams or the best infantry units in the Army. They hit hard targets as dictated by their patrol OPORDs and nothing more. This, in essence, makes in useless for the enemy to spend their time making IEDs because they know the likely hood of a patrol passing by is slim and they don't want to wait days on end by a detonator/cell phone/walkie talkie to detonate it.

We've got the most precise, surgical military in the world by far. I think it's time we start using it and forget about these Vietnam era tactics.
Old Oct 25, 2005 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
Exactly...and he pulls this shyte all the goddamm time.
Oh boo hoo. See, some might take offense to what you just said here but nobody seems to care or they just don't have as much sand in their ***** as you.

Here's the way I see it. We can make a reference to someone that has car parts in their yard, no teeth, and the inability to read and write as a redneck in a joke, then what do you care if I do the same for the huge majority in Iraq? Everyone here knows exactly what I’m talking about when I make the reference. We see it everyday on the news. One person is smart enough to start an uproar about something that didn't go their way or because something happened they didn't believe in and a mob blindly follows like a mosh pit in a soccer riot.

Just like the south is full of rednecks, Iraq is stocked full of ignorant sand monkeys. Just give them some type of halfassed leader with some idiotic cause (a banana) and watch them trample innocent people in a crowd. Most of them have no idea what happened within the last couple months let alone what's happening immediately around them. All they know is that Abu is Muslim and so am I, so... must be a social flaw with that part of the world. They just have no capacity or tolerance to make **** work.

And if you still have a problem with my reference then I don't give a damn. Grow a spine.

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Oops, wrong thread.
Old Oct 25, 2005 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty
Oh boo hoo.


And if you still have a problem with my reference then I don't give a damn. Grow a spine.
Jesus, you're an ignorant guy. Oh well.
Old Oct 25, 2005 | 04:22 PM
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Oh boo hoo. See, some might take offense to what you just said here but nobody seems to care or they just don't have as much sand in their ***** as you.

Here's the way I see it. We can make a reference to someone that has car parts in their yard, no teeth, and the inability to read and write as a redneck in a joke, then what do you care if I do the same for the huge majority in Iraq? Everyone here knows exactly what I’m talking about when I make the reference. We see it everyday on the news. One person is smart enough to start an uproar about something that didn't go their way or because something happened they didn't believe in and a mob blindly follows like a mosh pit in a soccer riot.

Just like the south is full of rednecks, Iraq is stocked full of ignorant sand monkeys. Just give them some type of halfassed leader with some idiotic cause (a banana) and watch them trample innocent people in a crowd. Most of them have no idea what happened within the last couple months let alone what's happening immediately around them. All they know is that Abu is Muslim and so am I, so... must be a social flaw with that part of the world. They just have no capacity or tolerance to make **** work.

And if you still have a problem with my reference then I don't give a damn. Grow a spine.

Ever hear of the saying, "Ignorance begets ignorance"?

You are one of those that supported this war on the terms that we were "saving the poor Iraqies" from Saddam. How would you feel if your "saviors" used the terms you use against them? And yet you still expect them to be all happy that we went into Iraq but yet are called these names? Great! Genius I tell you.
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^^I've been waiting for someone to bring up Salty's flip-floppin...at one point he supported starting the war regardless of reason (speculation of WMDs, terror links, he didn't care). Then, when those reasons were found to be lies, he supported the war to help the Iraqi's. Then he supported staying IN Iraq until the job is done, because the Iraqi's couldn't do it themselves. Now he wants immediate downscaling of our forces there...


So really...should we have gone to war in Iraq? Hell no. Even Salty wants us out...and he's expressed in the past that if we leave now, all will be lost. So the war is mute according to our resident military man Salty. Makes you think...are some of us allowed to say 'I told you so' now?



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