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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 02:44 PM
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The UN is a different story, its a little naive at this point to think that the world can be governed by one democratic body, especially when there are so many different interests involved. My point is that for individual contries democracy is the best form of government if the object is to have a successful and powerful country. I think history has shown us this more than enough times.
There are less varied interests within the US itself than across the world? Where do live, Montana? I didn't say the world should be moderated by one democratic authority. I said the US should be consistent in its democratic ideology

You don't mean democracy, you mean capitalism. Notice the changes in un-democratic china as their lust for capital increases. Its government become one, nasty, autocratic body that rules a up and coming capitalistic powerhouse.

Democracy is the slowest, most wasteful, most inefficient form of government around. Its even worse when its federated. If you want to be powerful you become a greedy, sociopathic force. Far more efficient. I know you don't want to admit that your earlier reasoning espouses that.
Old Nov 8, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mmboost
If you want to be powerful you become a greedy, sociopathic force. Far more efficient. I know you don't want to admit that your earlier reasoning espouses that.
It may be efficient for an individual or a small group of individuals but the rest of the populace will only tolerate it for so long before the government is overthrown. Our representative democracy is a balance between appeasing the masses and giving power to those in control.

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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 04:01 PM
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 04:56 PM
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It may be efficient for an individual or a small group of individuals but the rest of the populace will only tolerate it for so long before the government is overthrown. Our representative democracy is a balance between appeasing the masses and giving power to those in control.
4000 years of autocracy in China. A billion people can't be wrong. (They did try the democracy experiment, but they realized it doesn't work for them). Why does autocracy work for them? Because they fundamentally believe in caring for one another. This is why most chinese inundated countries (so you can't blame China's good fortune on chinese communism, heh) do not have a problem with homelessness or relative poverty. And you do not see many chinese homeless people even in the Bay Area. Why do other Americans have such a problem with homelessness and relative poverty? Because most other Americans, on one level or another think, like you do. Its a false idea that you can worship yourself (my vote, my rights, my needs) and still care about others under the guise of "majority rule". Someone always gets screwed. In China they're not all right with the latest gadgets (another false American sense of being comfortable), but they all eat and are clothed and have a roof.

You are also still facing the same ideological problem about democracy. Your ideas about democracy, if not extended to our foreign policy will result in the same thing. The world will overthrow us. **** off the EU, China and the SEA/Australian bloc just enough. Bush is fully capable of that. Americans are incapable of foreseeing a future where people are angrier than they are lustful for money. To one degree or another, most other countries can envision such a response. And they'll respond accordingly.

If it comes to that and you're still one of those people who will gladly accept a handout to climb on someone's neck, but it isn't offered to you, give me a call and let me know how you happily accept your fate. When people argue that they'll perfectly accept being screwed, not just accepting it but feeling its the right thing because someone more powerful deserves to screw them its the dumbest argument evAr. Really, you'd have to be a complete idiot to stand there and say "I deserve to get screwed because I wasn't lucky enough not to get screwed".
Old Nov 8, 2004 | 04:56 PM
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Dudes Anarchy solves everything. We as humans are instinctively defensive anyways.
Old Nov 8, 2004 | 05:19 PM
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Either way you guys act, you should think about the moral purpose. If anyone has taken any decent philosophy class about ethics, you'd learn that almost everything we have is classified as a "need" to us, but in reality it's just a luxury that became a necesity.

What you guys do need to focus on is life. Why NZO do you purpose the survival of the fittest? The bigger purpose of life itself is to take care of life. Of course rolling with this issue, driving cars that cause pollution isn't helping. Neither are toilet scrubbers that are tossed aside and pile up because stupid idiots don't realize it takes centuries for that kind of waste to decompose. In essence you, NZO, are purposing to kill the world. Just as the atom bomb was developed and god knows what other world ending weapons have been created.

Humans should be taking care of the earth, not destroying and using all of it's resources to our LUXURY instead of sharing with others to keep our human race alive. Of course we're good for now, and maybe the next couple of generations.. but who gives a rats *** about you grandkids and whoever else comes after you right? Your one way thinking is just as bad as the teachers in high schools.

Consider life, if a damn Tea issue created a whole country revolution THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY A CITIZEN IN, then MAYBE just maybe you might want to consider who you're putting into power.

If you can really allow prevention of Gay Marriage Rights to be amended into the constitution, then denying the free is your favor. You should really think about the overall.

I'm not saying I'm right, and you're wrong. Consider that ALL and I mean ALL of us are accepting the fact that we have to invade every other country to find some terrorists. We don't directly support the killing of thousands of lives, we aren't the ones with the guns, or the ammo and missiles that fly into other people's homes to take their lives.

But we do pay the taxes that fund our government and allow them to purchase and create more weapons and bullets that do kill other people. So either way we are all apart of the cause.

Speaking as a philosopher the 100% fix of this is to use only what we actually need, and nothing more, but everyone is too far into their cell phones that have special features and big screen TV's that can view 5+ shows at once that they don't realize that this is in fact reality, and maybe a millenia or two from now earth will destroy itself.

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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 06:53 PM
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blah blah blah cliff notes for those who dont feel like reading all that.
capitalism promotes a social and economic hierarchy, where the rich do in fact get richer, and the poor get left behind in [insert slight sarcasm] goverment made ghettos.
live the american dream, graduate from harvard, get a degree in microbiology, and then get beat out by a Chinese man with a degree from a 'lesser' school of learning who is willing to work for less.
Old Nov 8, 2004 | 06:56 PM
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im just skimming..
imho, surivival of the fittest is a bull**** theory which helps those at the top legtimize their power.
kind of like the whole 'mandate of heaven' thing in 'ancient' china, or the whole idea of a king ruling by divine right.

and no, i have no point
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 07:36 PM
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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 12:54 AM
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look...if some watery bint threw a scimitar at me, and I walked around calling myself an emperor, they'd throw me in looney bin.
Old Nov 9, 2004 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by stevenkhau
look...if some watery bint threw a scimitar at me, and I walked around calling myself an emperor, they'd throw me in looney bin.
thats moistened bint to you kido!
Old Nov 9, 2004 | 08:37 AM
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Old Nov 9, 2004 | 08:49 AM
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look...if some watery bint threw a scimitar at me, and I walked around calling myself an emperor, they'd throw me in looney bin.
these youngin's... cant even get their Python right!
Old Nov 9, 2004 | 09:10 AM
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Quote Fizay"Dudes Anarchy solves everything. We as humans are instinctively defensive anyways."

Unless you are Peyton Manning hahahahahahaahhaahaha.

that **** can throw a ball.
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