The real reason we went to Iraq, and the true Bush agenda
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The real reason we went to Iraq, and the true Bush agenda
According to an article by Glenn Scherer in Grist, House Majority Leader Tom Delay -- a self-declared member of the Christian Zionists, an End-Time faction numbering 20 million Americans -- was present at a fire and brimstone sermon at John Hagee’s San Antonio-based Cornerstone Church in 2002 when Hagee told his congregation, “The war between America and Iraq is the gateway to the Apocalypse.” After Hagee’s sermon, Delay was quoted as saying, “Ladies and gentlemen, what has been spoken here tonight is the truth from God.”
In Delay’s view, and those of others End-timers, our soldiers are being thrown into combat to help fulfill a two-thousand year old Biblical prophecy that intelligent people know to be myth. It’s true that since WMD and a connection to al Qaeda have both been discredited, George Bush’s rationale for the war in Iraq has been forced to shift to “higher ground.” But Bush has yet to lay this one on the American people. Perhaps this will come after the Iraq democracy experiment fails.
The Religious Right’s position on care of the environment, Scherer explains, is much like their view on the war in Iraq. Many fundamentalists feel that “environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed -- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming Apocalypse.” As Scherer puts it:
“Why care about the earth when the droughts, floods, famine and pestilence brought by ecological collapse are signs of the apocalypse foretold in the Bible? Why care about global climate change when you and yours will be rescued in the rapture? And why care about converting from oil to solar when the same God who performed the miracle of the loaves and fishes can whip up a few billion barrels of light crude with a word?”
In Delay’s view, and those of others End-timers, our soldiers are being thrown into combat to help fulfill a two-thousand year old Biblical prophecy that intelligent people know to be myth. It’s true that since WMD and a connection to al Qaeda have both been discredited, George Bush’s rationale for the war in Iraq has been forced to shift to “higher ground.” But Bush has yet to lay this one on the American people. Perhaps this will come after the Iraq democracy experiment fails.
The Religious Right’s position on care of the environment, Scherer explains, is much like their view on the war in Iraq. Many fundamentalists feel that “environmental destruction is not only to be disregarded but actually welcomed -- even hastened -- as a sign of the coming Apocalypse.” As Scherer puts it:
“Why care about the earth when the droughts, floods, famine and pestilence brought by ecological collapse are signs of the apocalypse foretold in the Bible? Why care about global climate change when you and yours will be rescued in the rapture? And why care about converting from oil to solar when the same God who performed the miracle of the loaves and fishes can whip up a few billion barrels of light crude with a word?”
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Any paragraph that includes the word "Zionist" seriously puts you in the Left-Wing Wacko or Extremist-Sympathiser category.
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You should get out more often Hella-
I didn't call him a Zionists, he calls himself a Zionist.
I might be a whacko, at least I'm willing to acknowlegde it, but these whacko's take themselves seriously;
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040...1159-1741r.htm
And guess what- they are in charge!
I didn't call him a Zionists, he calls himself a Zionist.
I might be a whacko, at least I'm willing to acknowlegde it, but these whacko's take themselves seriously;
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040...1159-1741r.htm
And guess what- they are in charge!
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“Why care about the earth when the droughts, floods, famine and pestilence brought by ecological collapse are signs of the apocalypse foretold in the Bible? Why care about global climate change when you and yours will be rescued in the rapture? And why care about converting from oil to solar when the same God who performed the miracle of the loaves and fishes can whip up a few billion barrels of light crude with a word?”
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Originally Posted by Salty
This theory is pretty weak.
But maybe it wasn't for that, maybe it was really more just about the oil...
If I had experienced this insanity at the level you have, I'm sure I'd be in denial too.
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Originally Posted by constellation
This however is pretty dead on. I read an article by Bill Moyers the other day that was all about how the current christians in charge think that the sooner we deplete our resources, the sooner the rapture will come. Seriously. Idiots, all of em.
I don't. Now if you linked their support of Israel to their Christianity I'd agree, and I have no problem with it.
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Originally Posted by psope
I didn't call him a Zionists, he calls himself a Zionist.
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What? Do YOU actually think that "the current christians in charge" honestly believe that?
But somehow it wouldn't suprise me if you think people like bill moyers are crackpots. It also wouldnt suprise me if you didn't know who he is.
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Originally Posted by constellation
Yes, they do believe that. It's a rather large movement at the moment. It stems from the idea that god being omnipotent and wonderful - would either not allow the earth to be depleted of its resources, or once it is, then jesus is coming back. Really helladumb, this isn't bull****. We have been collecting articles about this at my parents for some time now, as it's obviously alarming.
But somehow it wouldn't suprise me if you think people like bill moyers are crackpots. It also wouldnt suprise me if you didn't know who he is.
But somehow it wouldn't suprise me if you think people like bill moyers are crackpots. It also wouldnt suprise me if you didn't know who he is.
If a natural disaster wiped all humans off the face of the planet, how long do you think it would take for all signs of our existence to be erased? Not long, in the scope of Earth's history.
Time after time, the notion of depletion has been addressed with technology. The whole notion of depletion is a myth. Think of all the people that have "depleted" the ability to stay alive based on local food and water. If it weren't for technology, half the world's population would starve.
Hey, weren't your parents the ones who bought into the myth that we'd have used up all the oil by now? I bet they soaked it all in when Gore talked about global warming on one of the coldest days of the year, right?
The real crackpots are the ones that associate every Tsunami, snow storm, hot day, strong wind, earth quake, and tornado with human activity.
I really don't get it. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't use resources?
Oh, and one more related rambling.... I love it how the people talk about resources are the ones who have kids (more resource depleters), and are for immigration! Don't you realize that a farmer in Laos is much more eco-friendly than a Laotian-American buying Lexus cars and wasting unrenewable resources?
Just THINK about it.
PS, I don't mean to diss your parents in more than a political manner.
I'm glad you respect their opinions, however misguided they are.
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
If it weren't for technology, half the world's population would starve.
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nearly half the world's population IS STARVING, even with this great technology!
Think about it, all the great birthplaces of civilization, the Nile basin, Mesopotamia, -seen any Cedars in Lebanon lately?
All these places should be very clear evidence to anyone with half a brain that humans are capable of destroying their eco-systems if they don't take care of them and manage their resources in a sustainable manner.
The myth is that there is anything at all that exists in infinite amounts and cannot be depleted.
Eventually even the sun is going to run out of fuel, I don't think we will be around to see that but it doesn't mean it isn't inevitable in the long run.
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Time after time, the notion of depletion has been addressed with technology. The whole notion of depletion is a myth. Think of all the people that have "depleted" the ability to stay alive based on local food and water. If it weren't for technology, half the world's population would starve.
Hey, weren't your parents the ones who bought into the myth that we'd have used up all the oil by now? I bet they soaked it all in when Gore talked about global warming on one of the coldest days of the year, right?
The real crackpots are the ones that associate every Tsunami, snow storm, hot day, strong wind, earth quake, and tornado with human activity.
I really don't get it. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't use resources?
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Originally Posted by psoper
Ha ha ha, good one there hella dumb- by the way, in case you haven't been outside of a Jack-in-the Box long enough to see;
nearly half the world's population IS STARVING, even with this great technology!
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nearly half the world's population IS STARVING, even with this great technology!
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Originally Posted by constellation
Technology is what saves us - but if the people in charge think that there is no reason to expand on technology so we aren't using non-renewable resources because they think depletion is a "myth" then we are completely ****ed. Technology will only save us if we allow it, and since there isnt much profit to be made on a readily available resource like the sun or wind or hydrogen, it looks like its going to be oil for a while.
I agree with you here, even global warming is likely a natural cycle - but we do have an effect, you cannot deny that.
I'm suggesting we start expanding on technology that has been around for 120 years, like the fuel cell - back in the day there were lots of competing energy sources but the internal cumbustion engine won out because of simplicity - and now there is too much money tied up in it. If we don't REALLY start investing in new tech, then there WILL be a crisis eventually, and you can't deny that.
I agree with you here, even global warming is likely a natural cycle - but we do have an effect, you cannot deny that.
I'm suggesting we start expanding on technology that has been around for 120 years, like the fuel cell - back in the day there were lots of competing energy sources but the internal cumbustion engine won out because of simplicity - and now there is too much money tied up in it. If we don't REALLY start investing in new tech, then there WILL be a crisis eventually, and you can't deny that.