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Old Oct 26, 2004 | 06:11 PM
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So you have a daughter and you're voting for Bush. I suppose that means that if your daughter ever needs to have an abortion when she grows up, you would prefer it to be done with an iron hanger in an alley somewhere...
Wow, how inflamatory of you.

First, my daughter won't ever have an abortion unless her life is at risk.
Do you know anything about it, and where "evil conservatives" stand?

The left-wing liberals (and perhaps you) would have people think that conservatives want to outlaw all abortions, forcing women to perform risky illegal procedures or having to go to another country for the procedure.
That notion is absolutely false.

In the short term, conservatives want realistic measures taken, such as the elimination of late-term abortion, parental notification of minors' parents, and social messaging that emphasizes abstinance to avoid unwanted pregnancies and STDs, particularly with the increasing problem of HIV. While some would like to see abortion outlawed, politicians, judges, and others who have impact on legislation favor realistic measures such as only outlawing it after the first trimester, etc. As far as the late-term abortion mess going on, democrats held it up because there was no "mother-risk" consideration. It's my understanding that this is BS because the procedure involves childbirth (please correct me if I'm wrong).

It really strikes me as odd that a doctor needs parental permission to remove a girl's tonsils, but can do an abortion without the same. It is a FACT that women who've had abortions can sometimes have substantial medical problems, and often experience a lifetime of guilt related psychological problems.

My recommendation? Pull out.

As far as you talking about my daughter, **** you.
Old Oct 26, 2004 | 08:29 PM
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Wow, how inflamatory of you.

First, my daughter won't ever have an abortion unless her life is at risk.
Even if she were raped?

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Do you know anything about it, and where "evil conservatives" stand?

The left-wing liberals (and perhaps you) would have people think that conservatives want to outlaw all abortions, forcing women to perform risky illegal procedures or having to go to another country for the procedure.
That notion is absolutely false.
Can you honestly say, with a straight face, that if Bush had absolute power, he would not have all abortions outlawed? Here is a quote from USA Today (4/20/01):

"On the campaign trail, candidate George W. Bush said he opposed abortion and pledged to promote a "culture of life." On his first working day as president, he issued an executive order eliminating federal funding for overseas organizations that do abortion counseling."

The only reason he hasn't launched a stronger crusade against abortions is because he knows that many voters would have none of that, and it would ultimately cost him votes.

Originally Posted by HellaDumb
In the short term, conservatives want realistic measures taken, such as the elimination of late-term abortion, parental notification of minors' parents, and social messaging that emphasizes abstinance to avoid unwanted pregnancies and STDs, particularly with the increasing problem of HIV.
Hmm, would that happen to be the same conservatives who oppose educating kids about condoms, saying that it encourages them to have sex?

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While some would like to see abortion outlawed, politicians, judges, and others who have impact on legislation favor realistic measures such as only outlawing it after the first trimester, etc.
That's because they CURRENTLY cannot outlaw all abortions, since the Supreme Court's Roe vs. Wade decision still stands (albeit barely.)

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As far as the late-term abortion mess going on, democrats held it up because there was no "mother-risk" consideration.
And that's bad because...?

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It's my understanding that this is BS because the procedure involves childbirth (please correct me if I'm wrong).
You're wrong. The term "childbirth" cannot be applied here, since it implies, well, a child being born. Even during late-term abortions, the fetus is still not capable of surviving outside the womb. (Abortions are never performed when the fetus IS capable of surviving outside the womb.) You might have been confused by conservative-coined term "partial-birth abortions". During that late-term procedure, the fetus is partially removed from the womb, then dissected (to make full removal easier), then fully removed. Again, there is no actual "birth" to speak of, since the fetus is NOT YET CAPABLE of surviving on its own.

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It really strikes me as odd that a doctor needs parental permission to remove a girl's tonsils, but can do an abortion without the same.
Um, could it be because having tonsillitis does not usually result in a girl being labeled "a *****" and kicked out of the house?

And wouldn't it be more odd if a girl needed an emergency abortion for medical reasons but couldn't obtain it because of a stupid law?

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It is a FACT that women who've had abortions can sometimes have substantial medical problems, and often experience a lifetime of guilt related psychological problems.
It is a FACT that men who've had appendectomies can sometimes have substantial medical problems, and often experience a lifetime of guilt related psychological problems.

Catch my drift?

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My recommendation? Pull out.
Is that what you're going to tell to your daughter's first boyfriend?

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As far as you talking about my daughter, **** you.
Actually, I can talk about whomever I want. That includes your daughter. If you don't like it, don't read it (much less respond.)
Old Oct 26, 2004 | 09:17 PM
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^^ HAHAHA HellaRacist owned. Im going to laugh when his daughter turns out exactly opposite to his short sighted self, and laugh even more if she marries some mexican that is poor.
Old Oct 27, 2004 | 01:10 PM
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What a waste of time.

I think you've done a wonderful job displaying your ignorance.

FYI, children can survive outsid of the womb at 22-25 weeks:
http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0...yword=&teaser=

I forget how this became a discussion on abortion, but you are the best justification for late-term abortion I can think of.

I truly think your whole perspective will change when you hear your own baby's heartbeat in the womb. At that point, the NORMAL human reaction is to protect the woman and that baby at all cost. You will know what I mean some day.

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Old Oct 27, 2004 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
blah blah blah blah blah
read up, dum dum
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/mag...term_abortion/
Old Oct 27, 2004 | 03:03 PM
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So...

So you are for the extermination of all humans with abnormalities, right?

Is there any part of that serious article that obscures the fact that they murdered the baby? They will NEVER know what that human could have become. Think of the guilt both parents have to live with. Do you think they don't think about it every day?

I personally know of one of my wife's co-workers who was told their unborn child had down syndrome, and the baby was born 100% "normal." I'm sure you would have killed that one too, right?

Like I've said before, until you've heard the heartbeat of your own child, you don't know.
Old Oct 28, 2004 | 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
So you are for the extermination of all humans with abnormalities, right?
Where did I say that? You're obviously grasping for straws here. (For example, I don't think that you should be exterminated, even though you're clearly... hmm... "special".)

Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Is there any part of that serious article that obscures the fact that they murdered the baby? They will NEVER know what that human could have become. Think of the guilt both parents have to live with. Do you think they don't think about it every day?
From reading the article, any reasonable person would conclude that, at the end, the mother felt that she had made a right decision.

Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I personally know of one of my wife's co-workers who was told their unborn child had down syndrome, and the baby was born 100% "normal." I'm sure you would have killed that one too, right?
No, I would let the pregnant woman decide, and I would respect whatever decision she would make. See, unlike you, I don't feel that I have the right to tell other people what to do with their own bodies.


Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I forget how this became a discussion on abortion, but you are the best justification for late-term abortion I can think of.
Ooh, saucy! Well, by the same token, since you oppose abortion, you should have been a *******.
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