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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 11:36 AM
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Sounds to me like you're advocating torture!
No no no, it "de-programming" with "wholesome programming".
Old Jan 4, 2005 | 11:48 AM
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Stupid question

1)They're not citizens of the United States and are not under the same laws. Furthermore, they aren't insurgents and have even fewer rights in that respect.
Not stupid at all. Are american IDEALS only for non-Americans when it suits are needs? This is why I cannot stand American foreign policy and how it is inconstant conflict with American ideals. We want to bring justice to the world but we happily screw anyone who gets in the way of our prosperity or safety. If you want democracy and you want justice, you have to roll with the punches... or stop being a hypocrite and admit you want to be a world despot.

2)We don't negotiate with terrorists because they are a threat to the very fabric of our society. I hardly doubt you'd question this if your head was on the Islamic cutting board or your family was in jeopardy.
Well, you don't know me too well, heh.

Which fabric are you speaking of? That's a lot of propaganda-speak there.

Maybe you mean the fabric of society that is based upon fear. We don't need terrorists for that. We are afriad all the time. Weren't killer bees supposed to be inundating North America by now? How about West Nile? What about California dropping into the ocean? Or nuclear holocaust? Or Communists? Or AIDS? Two buildings drop and its like evil and fear are 2 things we've never known before. Terrorism actually feeds the fabric of our society.

3)Our country and freedoms really have no affect on their countries liberties & practices. You cannot base your ideal of freedom on spiritual enlightenment with 72 virgins and the so-called word of an invisible man in the sky (Allah). It just doesn't work that way because there's no truce and way too much to be lost.
So your ideals are not really ideals. They are whims that hold as it suits your fears. OK.


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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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Not stupid at all. Are american IDEALS only for non-Americans when it suits are needs? This is why I cannot stand American foreign policy and how it is inconstant conflict with American ideals. We want to bring justice to the world but we happily screw anyone who gets in the way of our prosperity or safety. If you want democracy and you want justice, you have to roll with the punches... or stop being a hypocrite and admit you want to be a world despot.

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When it comes to Terrorism, YES! Is that what you wanted to hear, Jason?

Why is this fundamental idea so hard for you to grasp? What did you expect from a group of people set on destroying our very way of life? Equality? I feel like i'm taking crazy pills and you're the captain!
Old Jan 4, 2005 | 12:13 PM
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When it comes to Terrorism, YES! Is that what you wanted to hear, Jason?

Why is this fundamental idea so hard for you to grasp? What did you expect from a group of people set on destroying our very way of life? Equality? I feel like i'm taking crazy pills and you're the captain!
I understand what you are saying. But they are not destroying our way of life. I'll ask you again, what the hell does that mean? What exactly have they destroyed? What are they doing that is any worse than the "ways of life" that we have destroyed throughout the world in the last 100 years? Why is what they do to us so different than how we bully everyone who doesn't follow our policies or impedes our economic desires? Why is it so different? They aren't following any rigorous code of conduct? Neither do we, and you're advocating it.

You're yelling alot about your position, but you haven't actually addressed the questions. Stomp around all you want.

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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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I understand what you are saying. But they are not destroying our way of life. I'll ask you again, what the hell does that mean? What exactly have they destroyed?

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They haven't destroyed anything yet but they are that much closer to doing so as a suspected terrorist than any average joe will ever be. Why take the risk on freeing such fanaticism when the blueprint for Jihad is already there? If it wasn't already there then you'd be in Cuba as a suspected terrorist too. There's just not enough evidence to solidify anything at this point. Why give them the opportunity to prove themselves as terrorists? This is my point and exactly why our government wants to keep them forever. Doing otherwise has far too many risks and contradicts our dealing with terrorism.

I have been saying this in the past few posts so don’t make it seem like I haven’t answered your questions.
Old Jan 4, 2005 | 12:48 PM
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OK, I'll ask AGAIN, "destroying our very way of life", WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

Do you know that people have said the same "destroying our way of life" about immigration into the US a century ago? About drugs? About television?

What exactly is being destroyed and how?

[edit] OK, what MIGHT be destroyed and how? What is this "fabric" what are you referring to?" Don't tell me not to ask because you continue to not answer. All you are doing is repeating the thing which begs the same question. Just tell me, what is/might-be destroyed and how? What is this fabric?[/edit]

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Old Jan 4, 2005 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mmboost
OK, I'll ask AGAIN, "destroying our very way of life", WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

Do you know that people have said the same "destroying our way of life" about immigration into the US a century ago? About drugs? About television?....
Don't forget gay marrige! our fabric is being ripped apart!
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