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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
Marriage is only taught in sex education, and you do have the right to remove your child from sex education taught in public schools. Therefore if you do not want your child being taught about gay marriage you do have the right to remove them from that course of study.
quoted for the truth right there ! Most people who voted yes on 8 are also against sex ed in school anyways so they wont be in class for this anyways !
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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Well, that is what decided it for me and my hanging point on prop 8. I don't want kids to have their education revolving around LBGT issues. They have other things to learn. Namely math, science, and english. I could see them folding that into english classes or world studies or history. However, as long as they don't make that as a focal point of the course, I'm ok with voting no. The controls should be in place if a teacher decides to deviate from that course.
Wait, so you think that voting yes will prevent teachers from revolving their classes around teaching about gays getting married? "Gay marriage" has been "legal" in CA for a couple of months and you haven't seen some magical transformation of schools into gay education camps.

Tell me I'm reading your post wrong.

It seems like the political marketing people have gotten scaring people to vote for/against stuff down to a science.

I'm so scared!

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Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
I say take the word marriage out of the state constitution completely, make hetero, and homosexual marriages civil unions, and be done with it.

As you all have said, "marriage" refers to the religious aspect of the union, so get it the **** out of there.
I can agree with that
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
You are a ****ing bigot. Remember about 50 years who when it was illegal to whites and blacks to get married, this is the same thing. You hate a group of people for no other reason than they are different than you are and that makes you a bigot. So don your clan hood and go burn some crosses and kick those damn queers out of town!
No I hate an organization that forces it it's self upon me. I despise an idea that my beliefs are second to a guise of the common good. Here's a news flash I'm not alone. By the looks of things many that you may believe are aligned with you feel the same way. 70% of CA voted for BO, yet more than 50% voted for the institution of marriage. Apparently the progressives aren't so progressive after all.
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
No I hate an organization that forces it it's self upon me. I despise an idea that my beliefs are second to a guise of the common good. Here's a news flash I'm not alone. By the looks of things many that you may believe are aligned with you feel the same way. 70% of CA voted for BO, yet more than 50% voted for the institution of marriage. Apparently the progressives aren't so progressive after all.
Ok Jeff, I'm a little confused on your stance here. I was pretty sure you were for Prop 8, but that first line of yours is exactly what Prop 8 does, forces the religious definition of marriage on non-religious people.
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ryball
Wait, so you think that voting yes will prevent teachers from revolving their classes around teaching about gays getting married? "Gay marriage" has been "legal" in CA for a couple of months and you haven't seen some magical transformation of schools into gay education camps.

Tell me I'm reading your post wrong.
Well, all I meant was.... School (at least the school i understand and am familiar with) shouldn't be a mode to transfer ideologies and promote propoganda for lack of better words. It is a method to transfer knowledge about certain subjects, learn about history and make us think. I trust that schools don't turn into LBGT "camps". The schools I am familiar with (at least within new haven unified in Union City) don't promote LBGT lifestyles. They might use that in lectures, but they don't mind control kids into becoming gay.
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
You are a ****ing bigot. Remember about 50 years who when it was illegal to whites and blacks to get married, this is the same thing. You hate a group of people for no other reason than they are different than you are and that makes you a bigot. So don your clan hood and go burn some crosses and kick those damn queers out of town!
its klan
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
Ok Jeff, I'm a little confused on your stance here. I was pretty sure you were for Prop 8, but that first line of yours is exactly what Prop 8 does, forces the religious definition of marriage on non-religious people.
What's to be so confused about, I, Me. That's pretty clear. Once again the majority has voiced it's stance by the democratic process.
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by samurai
Well, all I meant was.... School (at least the school i understand and am familiar with) shouldn't be a mode to transfer ideologies and promote propoganda for lack of better words. It is a method to transfer knowledge about certain subjects, learn about history and make us think. I trust that schools don't turn into LBGT "camps". The schools I am familiar with (at least within new haven unified in Union City) don't promote LBGT lifestyles. They might use that in lectures, but they don't mind control kids into becoming gay.
I agree with you that schools should not be a place for ideologies(I hate that word).

I guess I just don't see the leap of allowing gays to marriage equating to the propagandist teaching of gay lifestyle in schools that so many people seem to be afraid of.

I don't understanding denying rights to people that aren't, in my opinion, harming anyone.
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
No I hate an organization that forces it it's self upon me. I despise an idea that my beliefs are second to a guise of the common good. Here's a news flash I'm not alone. By the looks of things many that you may believe are aligned with you feel the same way. 70% of CA voted for BO, yet more than 50% voted for the institution of marriage. Apparently the progressives aren't so progressive after all.
What organization? Would that be the Knights of Columbus or would that be the Church of Latter Day Saints? Those two out of state interests spent the most money on trying to get this proposition passed. And used a campaign full of lies in order to do so. You hate people and want to deny them rights because they are different than you like it or not that makes you a bigot and your religious beliefs do not belong in government.
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
What's to be so confused about, I, Me. That's pretty clear. Once again the majority has voiced it's stance by the democratic process.
I don't see how it's cramming down your throat if the judges are upholding our laws. They deemed the first one as unconstitutional citing that it was discriminatory. They will likely do the same on this one.
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by samurai
Well, all I meant was.... School (at least the school i understand and am familiar with) shouldn't be a mode to transfer ideologies and promote propoganda for lack of better words. It is a method to transfer knowledge about certain subjects, learn about history and make us think. I trust that schools don't turn into LBGT "camps". The schools I am familiar with (at least within new haven unified in Union City) don't promote LBGT lifestyles. They might use that in lectures, but they don't mind control kids into becoming gay.

so knowing that right there... you were still against it because your against teaching it in schools.... yet you just said the schools your familiar with DONT teach it in school.

So if they dont promote gay marriage in schools now... why would you vote yes on 8?
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ryball
I don't see how it's cramming down your throat if the judges are upholding our laws. They deemed the first one as unconstitutional citing that it was discriminatory. They will likely do the same on this one.
Sadly I dont think it will be that easy this time seeing as how this is a constitutional amendment.
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
You hate people and want to deny them rights because they are different than you like it or not that makes you a bigot and your religious beliefs do not belong in government.
wow pushing your personal opinion as fact

its thier vote they can decide how to vote for themselfs

hell i have seen flipping a coin decide how people vote
Old Nov 5, 2008 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ryball
I don't see how it's cramming down your throat if the judges are upholding our laws. They deemed the first one as unconstitutional citing that it was discriminatory. They will likely do the same on this one.
And just because the majority wants it, doesn't mean it is constitutionally valid.



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