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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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Odd.. You've said before that a gov't that fears an armed populace works for you. Does that mean you would only want a gov't that should not be the gov't?
Exactly.

I have no use for a governemnt.
Do you?
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Exactly.

I have no use for a governemnt.
Do you?
i do who else is going to paved roads ?
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Exactly.

I have no use for a governemnt.
Do you?
The government invented your internets. There's one use.

Then there's the restrictive exhaust systems and whatnot that your customers pay you to upgrade. Tick another box for emissions control.

Then there's the civil liberties and blah blah blah....
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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i do who else is going to paved roads ?
Local .gov or private companies (probably a conglomerate of companies).

There are very few things that can be done by the Feds that can't be done by private entities more efficiently and usually more cost effectively..
Also the private companies usually pay their folks more in the process.

You'd have more toll roads but you wouldn't pay the gas tax..
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tizzo27
Local .gov or private companies (probably a conglomerate of companies).

There are very few things that can be done by the Feds that can't be done by private entities more efficiently and usually more cost effectively..
Also the private companies usually pay their folks more in the process.

You'd have more toll roads but you wouldn't pay the gas tax..
But private industry didn't build most roads. There's no profit in that.

Everything sounds great in a theoretical view.
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 04:07 PM
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The government invented your internets. There's one use.

Then there's the restrictive exhaust systems and whatnot that your customers pay you to upgrade. Tick another box for emissions control.

Then there's the civil liberties and blah blah blah....
There is the internet.. But private companies made it accessible..

Broken window economics, If I didn't have to untrash my trashy exhaust I could have bought better stuff sooner.. Instead I had to repair an engine that was broken by law at the point of manufacture.

.gov is usually the killer of civil liberties not their savior.
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The government invented your internets. There's one use.

Then there's the restrictive exhaust systems and whatnot that your customers pay you to upgrade. Tick another box for emissions control.

Then there's the civil liberties and blah blah blah....
None of this is related to a gov't.
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Tizzo27
There is the internet.. But private companies made it accessible..

Broken window economics, If I didn't have to untrash my trashy exhaust I could have bought better stuff sooner.. Instead I had to repair an engine that was broken by law at the point of manufacture.

.gov is usually the killer of civil liberties not their savior.
All theory and hearsay.

Why should I trust a conglomerate or corporation any more than a government? It's just as perverse to swing off the nuts of corporations to think they will be my savior.
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
None of this is related to a gov't.
Please elaborate....
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John Locke in his Second Treatise on Government explains that civil society was created for the purpose of protecting property. In this principle, he examines the origin of the word “property,” which when translated into Latin, means “one’s own” or “oneself.” In this, Locke concluded the purpose of government was to protect life, liberty, and property.
Any else is unnecessary & not required.
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX
Please elaborate....
I can't..I'm a little sick.

Buuuut....

You'll agree that any form of gov't is restrictive & un-natural to the natural man.
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Then they are doomed to wallow in their own filth and ignorance, and have no one to blame but themselves. As George Bernard Shaw said: "Democracy is a device that insures we are governed no better than we deserve."

C'est la vie.
Good quote.. And very true... One of the reasons the founders created a Republic. To prevent the 53% of ignorant heathens to vote away the rights of the other 46% (of usually ignorant heathens)


All political ideologies in their purest form are dependent on perfect conditions. They are in fact designed with that in mind; why create a theory that requires flaws? The idea is to strive for perfection, after all. To wit: true capitalism requires that it be world-wide; pure communism requires a lack of human greed; anarchism requires altruism; they are all dependent on an informed and active populace; etc.
Which is why most political ideologies are temporary at best..
Bondage, Revolution, Republic, Democracy, Anarchy, Bondage
I actually have a pretty good video if I can find it.
The link is here..
It's called "The American form of government"

http://www.strimoo.com/video/1468926...aceVideos.html

I'm more worried about him giving the telco companies that were complicit in Bush's illegal wiretapping a free pass. That alone made me say "**** Obama."
Especially after the crap storm the liberals made about it.

Let me be more clear about what I believe: I think it's a threat, I just don't think the government has the ***** to neuter the second amendment--and if they do, there will likely be rioting.
I didn't think that .gov was stupid enough to give 780 Billion dollars (or what ever the ridiculously high number is now) to a bunch of failed investment bankers, Acorn, and planned parenthood but low and behold..

I never said it wasn't already happening, I meant it in the sense of a complete final shift into totalitarianism.
I feel that final shift will be imperceptible.. Well look back ten years after and say.. "Wait a damn minute here!!" but by that point big brother will be watching, and most "good citizens" will have turned in their guns for the good of the people and be wondering why crime didn't go down.

Paul, Bruce lee, and a few others will be in the Seirra's at Galts Gulch II brewing beer, and reloading their own ammo ..

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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX
All theory and hearsay.

Why should I trust a conglomerate or corporation any more than a government? It's just as perverse to swing off the nuts of corporations to think they will be my savior.
You don't have to swing off their nuts.. but a private individual will almost always do what you hired him to do knowing that his reputation is on the line..
I've never been to a good place of business with a reasonable request and been turned down..

If roads are bad, you re-bid the contract..
If I hire a private security firm/ Private Sheriff etc. And the Sheriff doesn't show up when called he loses bottom line.. If my community doesn't want Marijuana laws enforced they say to the Sheriff that they won't pay for Marijuana arrests..

It may not be a perfect solution, but it's not the worst either..
Old Mar 18, 2009 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tizzo27
You don't have to swing off their nuts.. but a private individual will almost always do what you hired him to do knowing that his reputation is on the line..
I've never been to a good place of business with a reasonable request and been turned down..

If roads are bad, you re-bid the contract..
If I hire a private security firm/ Private Sheriff etc. And the Sheriff doesn't show up when called he loses bottom line.. If my community doesn't want Marijuana laws enforced they say to the Sheriff that they won't pay for Marijuana arrests..

It may not be a perfect solution, but it's not the worst either..
I follow you, but you're just replacing elected officials with CEOs, replacing taxes with fees, and replacing laws with company policy. We're still susceptible to a large variety of problems. In a similar utopia sort of view for the concept of our government, we still have the ability to elect officials that will work for the good of the people. The only difference being that one utopia has already been disproved and the other one hasn't been put to practice.

New management means new problems. In a general sense, it depends on which one makes you more comfortable.

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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
I can't..I'm a little sick.

Buuuut....

You'll agree that any form of gov't is restrictive & un-natural to the natural man.
I don't necessarily agree that much of anything is natural to man except for greed, self preservation, reproduction, and communicating to one another. I think government bodies are no less natural than driving a car to a store and trading green paper for a pack of cigs and a large slurpy. Man is historically a social being and has always had some controlled form of society.



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