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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 12:06 PM
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I don't fear Palin as much as "Change"
You fear change? As in ... you want 4 more years of the previous 8 horrid years??? Even McCain is running on a compain based on change just like Obama is !? The only difference is Obama will bring it, McCain has voted YES to 95% of all Bush proposals... where is the change in that? ?

The thing that scares me the most about McCain.... is that he wont make it through 4 years of service and the self described hockey mom will be running our country.
Old Sep 12, 2008 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Shagon Wagon
You fear change? As in ... you want 4 more years of the previous 8 horrid years??? Even McCain is running on a compain based on change just like Obama is !? The only difference is Obama will bring it, McCain has voted YES to 95% of all Bush proposals... where is the change in that? ?

The thing that scares me the most about McCain.... is that he wont make it through 4 years of service and the self described hockey mom will be running our country.
There is no way in hell the President, regardless of his previous voting record, will be able to maintain the country on it's current course. Change is inevitable. What sort of change, hell I don't know. All I know is when given a choice of country first or the mystery box of change... Well I think you can figure the rest.

Side note: Notice the " " around change.
Old Sep 12, 2008 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
I guess....
I was referring to reports of McCain's new ads about how they are mavericks for change or something. Just thought it was funny.
Old Sep 12, 2008 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Shagon Wagon
You fear change? As in ... you want 4 more years of the previous 8 horrid years??? Even McCain is running on a compain based on change just like Obama is !? The only difference is Obama will bring it, McCain has voted YES to 95% of all Bush proposals... where is the change in that? ?

The thing that scares me the most about McCain.... is that he wont make it through 4 years of service and the self described hockey mom will be running our country.
That is a misleading statistic. McCain has voted with his party 95% of the time, but at least he votes and that means that 5% of the time he is not voting with his party. Obama started running for president when he got into the Senate and therefor has not voted on many topics, and instead votes pass. Most likely I'll be voting McCain just because I do not support the many new social programs Obama wants to start up, which will cost more money which means higher taxes.
Old Sep 12, 2008 | 03:25 PM
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That is a misleading statistic. McCain has voted with his party 95% of the time, but at least he votes and that means that 5% of the time he is not voting with his party. Obama started running for president when he got into the Senate and therefor has not voted on many topics, and instead votes pass. Most likely I'll be voting McCain just because I do not support the many new social programs Obama wants to start up, which will cost more money which means higher taxes.
At least we get something. Better than bombs and bullets.

Think about it... $700 Billion for the Iraq war.

Do you realize what $700 Billion could have gotten us here at home?

New Roads, schools, high speed rail all over the country (which is better for the environment than airplanes and cars over time), balanced budgets, less taxes... you name it.

We didn't need to go there, we were completely, flat out, lied to about why we went there, and it's costing us way too much. We can't buy back those lives, and we probably won't ever recover any of the lost money.

Meanwhile Halburton (Cheney's company) is milking the contracts. We are bailing out rich people and their pathetic companies, also bailing out people who lied and cheated their way into mortgages they couldn't support.

**** this ****. Obama is the only person so far who's said people need to take some personal responsibility and that companies need to take some personal responsibility. I've seen him say this a few times.

Oh, and McCain is talking about school vouchers?!? **** that ****... If people don't want their kids going to public schools, that's their choice, but affording private schools or charter schools is THEIR problem. I'm NOT paying to send someone elses kid to public school. **** SCHOOL VOUCHERS Public schools need that money MUCH more than a family that can actually pay to go to private school already. No thank you to school vouchers.
Old Sep 12, 2008 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by karis119
That is a misleading statistic. McCain has voted with his party 95% of the time, but at least he votes and that means that 5% of the time he is not voting with his party. Obama started running for president when he got into the Senate and therefor has not voted on many topics, and instead votes pass. Most likely I'll be voting McCain just because I do not support the many new social programs Obama wants to start up, which will cost more money which means higher taxes.
Better to use tax dollars to reinvest in our own country than to spend it on Iraq ("... to the gates of hell"). Either one of these guys is going to tax us, it's what they do with that money that's important.

There's no instant oatmeal fix to our economic problems. The govt. spent way to much money and we as tax payers have to pay that cost in one way or another.
Old Sep 12, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc
At least we get something. Better than bombs and bullets.

Think about it... $700 Billion for the Iraq war.

Do you realize what $700 Billion could have gotten us here at home?
yeah right, like that money would have been spent here in the US.

**** this ****. Obama is the only person so far who's said people need to take some personal responsibility and that companies need to take some personal responsibility. I've seen him say this a few times.
source needed for this or else I call Shenanigans.

Oh, and McCain is talking about school vouchers?!? **** that ****... If people don't want their kids going to public schools, that's their choice, but affording private schools or charter schools is THEIR problem. I'm NOT paying to send someone elses kid to public school. **** SCHOOL VOUCHERS Public schools need that money MUCH more than a family that can actually pay to go to private school already. No thank you to school vouchers.
**** that. We need vouchers. Public schools ride the gravy train and they need to compete for our children. Until you have kids you probably wont understand, but using a voucher system will make schools monitor and make sure they offer the best services.

also, the vouchers would not cost you any more, the only difference is that the state would issue the parents a voucher for the amount the public school would have received if the child attended the school.

also, you do know that the federal government has nothing to do with how the states mandate public education right?
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 05:38 PM
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All of this moaning and groaning about dollars spent. Everything you speak of are state issues. Not the federal govt. You don't like the way the feds handle their business abroad, why in the hell would you want them to handle domestic business.examples; no child left behind, patriot act, both of which were instituted by the feds because state govt. Failed. FEMA, it's there when the state govt,fails. Blame the man in the white house. The point is,govt. Has no place in domestic issues. Everything they touch gets screwed up. So all of you looking for your federal handouts, support and guidence, you deserve what you've got coming.
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
All of this moaning and groaning about dollars spent. Everything you speak of are state issues. Not the federal govt. You don't like the way the feds handle their business abroad, why in the hell would you want them to handle domestic business.examples; no child left behind, patriot act, both of which were instituted by the feds because state govt. Failed. FEMA, it's there when the state govt,fails. Blame the man in the white house. The point is,govt. Has no place in domestic issues. Everything they touch gets screwed up. So all of you looking for your federal handouts, support and guidence, you deserve what you've got coming.
I don't want ANY of that, but I know I don't want is to be in Iraq... to be giving $1billion to Georgia, to be tip toeing around Pakistan (WE NEED TO GO THERE).
Old Sep 12, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Xevious
yeah right, like that money would have been spent here in the US.



source needed for this or else I call Shenanigans.



**** that. We need vouchers. Public schools ride the gravy train and they need to compete for our children. Until you have kids you probably wont understand, but using a voucher system will make schools monitor and make sure they offer the best services.

also, the vouchers would not cost you any more, the only difference is that the state would issue the parents a voucher for the amount the public school would have received if the child attended the school.

also, you do know that the federal government has nothing to do with how the states mandate public education right?

1) Better if it wasn't ever spent at all... But it could have been. It wasn't, and that's that...

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECKd8...eature=related

a) That's right, we shouldn't bail out shareholders and mismanaged companies and their CEOs.

b) Yep. We DO need to crack down on reckless borrowers.

c) I DO NOT want another stimilus package. I didn't want the first one either...

3) **** vouchers... If parents want their kids to go to private schools, then it's THEIR responsibility. That's it. I'm NOT paying for another kid to go to private school... Of Course we are paying for it, the state is paying for it, from our tax dollars. They only get that money if they go to public schools, and that's it.

Yes the federal Government is involved. Bush has wanted a federal program and McCain brought up "going to the school of your choice" blah blah in his RNC speech. That's federal folks last time I checked.

NO VOUCHERS!!!
Old Sep 12, 2008 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
All of this moaning and groaning about dollars spent. Everything you speak of are state issues. Not the federal govt. You don't like the way the feds handle their business abroad, why in the hell would you want them to handle domestic business.examples; no child left behind, patriot act, both of which were instituted by the feds because state govt. Failed. FEMA, it's there when the state govt,fails. Blame the man in the white house. The point is,govt. Has no place in domestic issues. Everything they touch gets screwed up. So all of you looking for your federal handouts, support and guidence, you deserve what you've got coming.
I don't think anyone here is looking for hand outs. And what do people that don't want hand outs get coming to them, a busted economy? The economy doesn't fix itself like so many conservatives that I know seem to think. The govt. has to step in to get the ball rolling in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by Traxamillion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47sO1TCVmE and this guy is running for pres? my god.


Don't make me bring out Bush and McCain Clips...


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^^^ sounds like bush without one.



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