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Old 08-11-2005, 01:23 AM
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Life after the oil crash

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Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon. This is not the wacky proclamation of a doomsday cult, apocalypse bible prophecy sect, or conspiracy theory society. Rather, it is the scientific conclusion of the best paid, most widely-respected geologists, physicists, and investment bankers in the world. These are rational, professional, conservative individuals who are absolutely terrified by a phenomenon known as global "Peak Oil."
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As one commentator recently observed, the reason our leaders are acting like desperados is because we have a desperate situation on our hands.

If you've been wondering why the Bush administration has been spending money, cutting social programs, and starting wars like there's no tomorrow, now you have your answer: as far as they are concerned, there is no tomorrow.

What is particularly disturbing is, that from a purely Machiavellian standpoint, they are probably correct in their thinking.
I bet the people that wrote this diatribe don't work for Halliburton. ;p
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Oil will definiely run out at some point, but I'll wager a dollar that the result is catastrophic global conflict, not a radical move to what is essentially selflessness.
I just hope we have more oil in AK and TX than China has. And that China doesn't ****** up Siberia and score huge untapped reserves. I'm jus thoping this catastrophe doesn't happen until I'm too old or too dead to care.
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Oooo... a TDI...Jetta or Golf?
Have you had any issues with it?
Have you looked into biodiesel?
It's fairly easy to make, has an unlimited supply, and cuts down on the amount of material that's thrown away.
Plus, depending on where you get the old oil from, you'll smell like french fries or chinese food.
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Peak oil is a scam aka a lie used to create artificial scarcity and drive prices up. Meanwhile, alternative fuel technologies which have been around for decades are intentionally suppressed.

The peak oil myth is peddled by the establishment-run fake left activist groups and the IMF.

In a report the International Monetary Fund projected that global demand for oil by 2030 would reach 139 million barrels a day, a 65 percent increase.

"We should expect to live with high and volatile oil prices," said Raghuram Rajan, the IMF's chief economist. "In short, it's going to be a rocky road going forward."

Rolling Stone magazine carried an article in its April issue heavily biased towards making people believe the peak oil lie.
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http://www.arabnews.com/?page=6&sect...=29&m=4&y=2004

WASHINGTON, 29 April 2004 — Officials from Saudi Arabia’s oil industry and the international petroleum organizations shocked a gathering of foreign policy experts in Washington yesterday with an announcement that the Kingdom’s previous estimate of 261 billion barrels of recoverable petroleum has now more than tripled, to 1.2 trillion barrels.
Additionally, Saudi Arabia’s key oil and finance ministers assured the audience — which included US Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan — that the Kingdom has the capability to quickly double its oil output and sustain such a production surge for as long as 50 years.
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Supplies of oil may be inexhaustible


By Bruce Bartlett

On April 16, Newsday, the Long Island newspaper, published a startling report that old oil fields in the Gulf of Mexico were somehow being refilled. That is, new oil was being discovered in fields where it previously had not existed.
Scientists, led by Mahlon Kennicutt of Texas A&M University, speculate that the new oil is surging upward from deposits well below those currently in production. "Very light oil and gas were being injected from below, even as the producing was going on," he said.
Although it is not yet known whether this is a worldwide phenomenon or commercially important, the new discovery suggests that there may be far more oil and gas within the Earth's core than previously thought.
Kennicutt is not the first to suggest that vast hydrocarbon deposits may lie well below those currently known. In 1995, the New York Times reported that geochemist Jean Whelan of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts had also found evidence that oil was moving upward into reservoirs from somewhere far deeper.
With growing improvements in technology that are making possible oil drilling at greater and greater depths, it may soon be economically feasible to explore and produce oil from these deep deposits.
The existence of oil much farther below the surface than it was previously thought to exist raises new questions about the origins of oil and natural gas. It has commonly been thought that they are the decayed remains of long dead plants and animals. However, as hydrocarbons are found at extreme depths, this explanation becomes increasingly implausible.
Astronomer Thomas Gold of Cornell University has long been dissatisfied with the dead dinosaur theory of oil's origins. He argues that oil and gas are in fact the remains of methane left over from the Earth's origin. Methane, he points out, is one of the most common minerals in the universe. When the stars and planets were formed eons ago, it was one of the central building blocks from which matter formed.
If Gold's theory is true, then it makes sense that we would continue to find hydrocarbons everywhere within the Earth's core, and not just at the surface, where plants and animals exist. Thus the new research is at least consistent with Gold's theory, even if it remains to be proven.
The new scientific evidence that energy supplies may be vastly greater than previously imagined is only the latest blow to the doomsayers. Such people have been around for 200 years, preaching that mankind has reached the limit to growth because we have found all the oil there is to be found. For at least a century, for example, the U.S. Geological Survey has consistently reported that America had only about 10 years worth of oil left.
In defense of the Geological Survey, it was referring only to proven reserves. These are fields that have been explored, and where estimates have been made regarding their size and production potential. But of course, exploration is a continuing process, so new reserves are discovered all the time.
Economist Julian Simon long made the point that the size of proven reserves cannot be divorced from the price of oil. At current price levels, only about 40 percent of oil can be extracted from existing fields; the remaining 60 percent, which is known to exist, cannot be produced economically and is therefore not included in proven reserve estimates. However, higher prices and advanced technology can easily make it profitable to expand production in existing fields.
Higher prices also encourage exploration into areas that geologists strongly suspect to have oil, but where drilling costs are too high at present. Only a small portion of the Earth's surface has ever been explored for oil, and there is no reason to believe that there are not many large deposits yet to be discovered.
If oil were really becoming more scarce, we would expect to see prices rising over time. In fact, the real price of oil, adjusted for inflation, has been remarkably stable at around $15 per barrel. Temporary price spikes by OPEC (the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries) have not proved sustainable because they brought forth new supplies, encouraged substitution of oil with coal or gas, and stimulated conservation by consumers and businesses.
In short, even if the new scientific evidence about oil is wrong, one can still say the world will never run out of it. Higher prices will always bring new supplies to market. As Bjorn Lomberg points out in his new book, The Skeptical Environmentalist (Cambridge University Press), $40 per barrel oil will immediately increase world reserves from a 40 years supply to 250 years because vast known oil shale deposits will become economically viable.
Of all the things we have to worry about in this day and age, running out of oil should not be one of them.

Bruce Bartlett, a senior fellow for the National Center for Policy Analysis in Washington, D.C., writes for Creators Syndicate, 5777 W. Century, Suite 700, Los Angeles, Calif. 90045.
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Have you looked into biodiesel?
It's fairly easy to make, has an unlimited supply, and cuts down on the amount of material that's thrown away.
Plus, depending on where you get the old oil from, you'll smell like french fries or chinese food.
Careful, a guy just had a Bear tear apart his car because it could smell the oil! HAHAHAHAH
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=6&sect...=29&m=4&y=2004

WASHINGTON, 29 April 2004 — Officials from Saudi Arabia’s oil industry and the international petroleum organizations shocked a gathering of foreign policy experts in Washington yesterday with an announcement that the Kingdom’s previous estimate of 261 billion barrels of recoverable petroleum has now more than tripled, to 1.2 trillion barrels.
Additionally, Saudi Arabia’s key oil and finance ministers assured the audience — which included US Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan — that the Kingdom has the capability to quickly double its oil output and sustain such a production surge for as long as 50 years.
So you trust the Saudi gov't over the majority of American scientists on this issue? Interesting...


Just one of many articles found with Google Scholar written by well respected scientists on the subject.
http://www.nait.org/jit/Articles/marsh073003.pdf
Just look at the references if you need to see how many people who cannot profit from saying oil will run out are saying it anyway.

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Here's another that is easier to read from a non-math and non-science point of view.
http://scitation.aip.org/journals/do...s_1/126_1.html

So...tell me, svxr8dr, are all of these people in on the 'global gas conspiracy' you speak of? Or are they too stupid to see that conspiracy?
I say the most likely answer is that there IS no conspiracy, and that gas WILL run out. To be honest, like this article basically says, you have to be in denial or very unintelligent to think gas won't run out relatively soon.
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
with an announcement that the Kingdom’s previous estimate of 261 billion barrels of recoverable petroleum has now more than tripled, to 1.2 trillion barrels.
good quote, but that is some dumb-a$$ math!
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Oh, there is a conspiracy when it comes to oil-based energy, as there is too much money to be made & too much to loose if the status quo isn't maintained.

I have read a study done by a California energy provider that if the utility simply gave PV solar systems to their customers, the utility would actually make money in ~2years.
It got shelved.
A family member was on the feesability board that commissioned & studied it.

So far, just under $200 billion has been spent on the war in Iraq, with zero $$ coming back to us in the form of oil.
Which is a very poor return on one's investment.
Had the same amount of $$ been spent of residential PV solar systems, 5 million homes in California would now be producing more "overall cheaper" electricity, and the PV industry would have gotten one hell of a shot in the arm.

Don't really care if or when we run out of oil, as long as there are fat ****s that love to eat at Micky D's, I'll have a steady supply of waste oil for my biodiesel. :banana:
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There may be some type of conspiracy concerning gas pricing and availibility of alternative energy sources, but not like the one svxer8dr is talking about. I agree that most likely oil companies and their affiliates keep renewable energy down. But that has nothing to do with the fact that we're running out of oil. I know we're not really running out 'right now' right now...we have yet to see the peak in oil production...but do you all realize the implications of reaching the peak in production?
Seriously...think about this...every year, we consume more and more oil. Every year we also produce more and more oil...so it's all good. But what happens when the year comes that we consume more oil, but we produce the same amount as the year before. Or the year after that when we consume even more oil again, but now the amount we produce goes down instead of rising or staying the same. It's an equation that you can't escape. There is no debating that this will happen (unless you believe that God intends us to do as we are doing and he will some how miraculously bless us with more oil...), it's just a matter of when. Some say in 20 years, some in 100. Either way, we or our children (or possibly our grandchildren) are going to have to deal with it.
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Oooo... a TDI...Jetta or Golf?
Have you had any issues with it?
Have you looked into biodiesel?
It's fairly easy to make, has an unlimited supply, and cuts down on the amount of material that's thrown away.
Plus, depending on where you get the old oil from, you'll smell like french fries or chinese food.
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Glow plug harness malfunction. I sprayed some wd40 in and squashed it with a pliers, and the problem stopped. No other issues.

Still under warranty, so no Bio-d yet.

Easy to make at .5$.gallon

Looking forward to it.

Oh yeah, my other car is a 2000 jetta 1.8t (stupid gasser)
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