HellaDumb

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But seriously, you'd think the GOP was proposing the de-balling and tube-tying of illegals in this country by all the protestors' hysteria.

Why would anyone care what these criminals want? I say get them out of our country NOW at all costs and it will FORCE VINCENTE FOX TO FIX HIS BROKEN ECONOMY.

There are plenty of legally processed immigrants to pick lettuce, and just wait and see what happens to the price of produce when illegals are granted visas... whoopie!

GET THEM THE F*CK OUT OF OUR COUNTRY AND PRISON SYSTEM, AND BUILD A 30 FOOT TALL FENCE! DEPORT THE SIERRA CLUB MEMBERS THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FENCE WHILE WE'RE AT IT!

Look, I understand the human aspect of this, but where does it end. How many people moving to the U.S. is enough? 20 million? How about another 2 million from cambodia, 30 million from India, and 50 million from China? Where does it end? Let's make Mexico stop this lunacy and fix their own economy!

HellaDumb

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Did I lose you at hello? Ok, so my title didn't bait the left wing pinko commie liberal socialist babykillers for once.

MVWRX

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Maybe you haven't caught on yet, but illegal immigration isn't partisan. It's the current admin (morons) vs Frist(R) and Kennedy(D) (still morons, but with a better idea).

HellaDumb

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Yes it is partisan, because party members (especially democrats) seem to be more worried about votes and political correctness than the negative effect of illegal immigrants. Heck, as much as 1/3 of inmate populations (federal I think?..don't recall) are illegal immigrants!). Have you even heard ONE democrat mention that?

Democrats clearly aren't concerned with immigration. They're solely concerned with taking control back from GW... which actually might be a good thing to a small extent (slow job outsourcing, some minor protectionist measures). Democrats only want to find out what posture on immigration will get them the most votes.

MVWRX

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That was a nice op-ed piece helladumb. Too bad it's not rooted in reality...

Illegal immigration is not a partisan issue. There are two rough sides, each of them having democrat and republican supporters. Neither side, nor either party, claim that illegal immigration is a non-issue.

Both have made suggestions as to how to fix the problem, and both are flawed. However it is my opinion that the legislation written by Frist and Kennedy is orders of magnitude better than the legislation supported by the White House.

HellaDumb

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http://redtape.msnbc.com/2006/03/hid...of_.html#posts

lovesmysuby04

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That is funny

Magish

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You both do realize that the McCain Kennedy bill is bi-partisan, and supported by the white house? The democrats are not whining about this one, because they get what they want (guest worker program). Normal republicans get what they want (increased boarder security). And the white house gets one of its programs possibly passed through congress. Both the house and senate minority leaders support this bill, as do I.

The main opposition to the McCain/Kennedy bill is coming from the republican nutjobs in the house, such as my congressman (ugh, don't get me started) Tom "the racist" Tancredo. A few democrats are raised concerns, but not nearly as many (or as vocally) as the whackjobs in the house have. They don't seem to realize the cost, pain, or problems promoted by deporting 11 million people, many of whom have children and spouces who are either legal aliens or American Citizens. Frist is just another story, as I believe he is just trying to build a hardcore conservative voting bloc for a possible presidential bid (and in the process distancing himselff from the current whitehouse). IMO this bill is as close as you can get to a happy medium.
-Jeff

Does Hella like this Bill? Or should be deport them all and leave shattered families all across America (with tax payers footing the bill).

HellaDumb

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I prefer this option to doing nothing, but we're headed for serious problems!

Wages and the cost of products from lettuce and tomatoes to large construction ventures have been held artificially low by big-business's use of an illegal workforce that is treated worse than dirt. Once you legalize the workforce, it opens a can of worms (workmans comp insurance, osha workplace standards, habitable worker housing, etc). Our own government views hispanics as a slave class and hispanics have a valid claim of racism that will only create a rift between the hispanic population and others.

Also, though I haven't read the text of this bill, I think it should give major emphasis to deportation options. I seriously doubt that's in there because it's a sensitive topic with the hispanic voting base. Does a prospective guest worker (hence prosepective citizen) have most of their family already residing here? Do they have children here? I seem to recall that statistically hispanic family units are fairly large, so are we going to see 11 million legalized hispanics sponsoring another 50 million people from Mexico?

What about prevention and national security? Is there a provision for a wall and more enforcement?

And of course, they shouldn't have it any easier than anyone else who'se been waiting in line (criminal background checks, health and disease checks).

In a nutshell, I think this is just another example of stupid white men selling our country down the river. Mexico will NEVER fix it's economy if we don't take a firm stance. I say we take oil rights now as part of this deal.

rambling but valid side point:

I was watching a show last night about an illegal immigrant family that came to the states over 25 years ago. The parents dug through trash and got money for their family through recycling. It was a harsh struggle, and much worse than the secretary job the mother held in Mexico. Their two children born here got good educations paid for by taxpayers, and got scholarships/ aid/ grants all the way through finishing college. The son got a degree from an ivy league in airospace engineering or something... very smart and very successful. So what's my point?

On a human level, you can't help but enjoy watching people succeed in the american dream. On another level, being American is not a human right.

Those kids took away opportunity for two American children. Opportunity in the U.S. is not a global right!
The illegals' kids got a free ride on the backs of taxpayers, and two AMERICAN CITIZENS and CHILDREN OF TAXPAYERS likely DID NOT GET TO GO TO AN IVY League. This is a harsh reality.... American opportunity is limited.

b4437

send all the whites and africans back to their mother land. since,they were the first illegals in this country.

Magish

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I personally figure it is a smart kid who deserved it no matter where his parents came from. They taught him a great work ethic, and he used it. Besides, there are enough great American educational instutions out there that I'm sure the American kid who lost that spot ended up fine in the long run. Both sides win in that story.
-Jeff

HellaDumb

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Well, that's fair if you truly believe that the best and the brightest are the ones we support through education. I don't believe it.

I think their has always been an "unfair" advantage for those who have $$ and are well connected, but somehow we've had enough genius in this country to drive innovation. What I don't like is the promotion of those with less financial capital or minorities if they don't have the intellectual capital. It's one of the downsides of affirmative action... everytime you see a black doctor or CEO many will wonder (even blacks, and I've heard blacks say it) if that person truly earned it.

Would you want a Jew or affirmative action recipient for your heart surgeon? Why?

MVWRX

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I wouldn't care because they both have to pass the same board exams, and the exams are blind to race. I might see your point on occasion about affirmative action, but in the medical field you're off...because of the board exams.

VIBEELEVEN

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My dad decided to study marine biology instead of medecine because of affirmative action, and then ended up being a contractor. lol

HellaDumb

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Eh, so do you know anyone that has passed the boards? Just because someone can prepare and pass a rigorous exam doesn't mean they'll be good in the field.

That's like becoming an airplane mechanic.. you can study and pass the tests without having the required mechanically inclined aptitude.