Jan 14th - Rally for Justice for Oscar Grant
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Jose Buenrostro ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! HE PULLED A SAWED OFF RIFLE FROM HIS PANTS!! It was a sawed off .22 Caliber. When told to stop by the police, he pulled the rifle and turned towards officers.
Jerrold Cornelius Hall - BART POLICE NOT OPD. (But while you brought it up, according to federal law, it is LEGAL to shoot a fleeing felon in the back. Not sure if this is bart's policy or not, i know it is NOT OPD's policy.)
Bruce Seward - (BART POLICE AGAIN BUT ILL PLAY) Officer David Betancourt, a 22-year law enforcement veteran, shot a naked Bruce Seward outside the Hayward BART station before dawn on Memorial Day in 2001. Seward, 42, was asleep on a bench and appeared unconscious. After calling for an ambulance, Betancourt approached when Seward woke up, grabbed the officer's nightstick and swung (lethal force justified, the man was not initially armed but armed himself with the officers baton), smacking the patrol car, police said. Betancourt used pepper spray on Seward, but it had no effect, police said.
Mack Woodfox III , Andrew Moppin. - I dont know all the details on these two, but it Appears the officer feared for his safety due to both of them reaching for their waistband.
Im not saying that bad things dont happen to good people. Officers sometimes screw the hooch pretty bad. But you need to allow the justice system to do what it was designed to do.
Ive heard of people reaching toward their waistband inorder to "scare the police" as a tactic for them to gain time to run. And yes he got shot because of it.
If an officer feels threatened with his life, and he reasonably believes the subject may be armed, and feels that subject poses a plausabile risk, Deadly force is justified. If your a drunk driving subject, who runs from police and reaches towards his waistband while running............. I would probably think he has a gun or some other type of weapon.
MOST criminals (when carrying a firearm) carry it around their waistband. It would be unusual for a person, who has nothing to hide, to run from the police, especially after being told they are not free to leave (detained). It would be even more unusual for a person of ordinary care and prudance to reach for their wasteband while running from you.
NOW If you still want to play... lets play.
Jerrold Cornelius Hall - BART POLICE NOT OPD. (But while you brought it up, according to federal law, it is LEGAL to shoot a fleeing felon in the back. Not sure if this is bart's policy or not, i know it is NOT OPD's policy.)
Bruce Seward - (BART POLICE AGAIN BUT ILL PLAY) Officer David Betancourt, a 22-year law enforcement veteran, shot a naked Bruce Seward outside the Hayward BART station before dawn on Memorial Day in 2001. Seward, 42, was asleep on a bench and appeared unconscious. After calling for an ambulance, Betancourt approached when Seward woke up, grabbed the officer's nightstick and swung (lethal force justified, the man was not initially armed but armed himself with the officers baton), smacking the patrol car, police said. Betancourt used pepper spray on Seward, but it had no effect, police said.
Mack Woodfox III , Andrew Moppin. - I dont know all the details on these two, but it Appears the officer feared for his safety due to both of them reaching for their waistband.
Im not saying that bad things dont happen to good people. Officers sometimes screw the hooch pretty bad. But you need to allow the justice system to do what it was designed to do.
Ive heard of people reaching toward their waistband inorder to "scare the police" as a tactic for them to gain time to run. And yes he got shot because of it.
If an officer feels threatened with his life, and he reasonably believes the subject may be armed, and feels that subject poses a plausabile risk, Deadly force is justified. If your a drunk driving subject, who runs from police and reaches towards his waistband while running............. I would probably think he has a gun or some other type of weapon.
MOST criminals (when carrying a firearm) carry it around their waistband. It would be unusual for a person, who has nothing to hide, to run from the police, especially after being told they are not free to leave (detained). It would be even more unusual for a person of ordinary care and prudance to reach for their wasteband while running from you.
NOW If you still want to play... lets play.
I knew you or someone would easily interject about these and for good reason. These were posted as some of the items people have been arguing about; aka the either used too much force or should have resolved issues in another way. However, to eachs own, these are just some that people have been debating about.
Jose Buenrostro, as an example, reports say the kid had his hands in the air while unarmed, and shot several times by three police. Now the police are stating he aimed a gun at them however several witnesses have testified saying he was complying with police. Who knows, did he point the gun or not? I think the family is suing still.
Jerrold Cornelius Hall - shot in the back by a shotgun and yes, he was running but I personally think that is a bit much. Just my thoughts on this one.
Bruce Seward - Yeah he did grab the club and the officer stated he feared for his life and shot him. Again some people view as an officer using too much force.
Anyhow, you're correct about officers making mistakes and the same goes with the people on the other end at times.
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Sure, a few more :
Asa Sullivan - killed in SF by police, unarmed, first said to have shot at the police but reports show now that the bullet, "bullet claimed to be from Asa" was actually from an officer shooting into the building.
Gregory Saulsbury Jr. - Tased to death with handcuffs on. Another one people are still arguing about.
Clearly there are several more examples of these tragic stories.
Asa Sullivan - killed in SF by police, unarmed, first said to have shot at the police but reports show now that the bullet, "bullet claimed to be from Asa" was actually from an officer shooting into the building.
Gregory Saulsbury Jr. - Tased to death with handcuffs on. Another one people are still arguing about.
Clearly there are several more examples of these tragic stories.
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So, lets start hearing about all of the occasions when a police officer has saved someone else's life. Oh thats right, thats considered good news, so it isn't worthy of the headline news. I am so tired of this. Sure, police officer's make mistakes. We all do. Unfortunately, in their line of work, a mistake may result in the unnecessary death of another. What do you guys do for a living? Is your life threatened each and every day? Mine isn't, so I have no idea what these police officers go through. Its always easy to point fingers at others, but most of us have no idea what its like out there.
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So, lets start hearing about all of the occasions when a police officer has saved someone else's life. Oh thats right, thats considered good news, so it isn't worthy of the headline news. I am so tired of this. Sure, police officer's make mistakes. We all do. Unfortunately, in their line of work, a mistake may result in the unnecessary death of another. What do you guys do for a living? Is your life threatened each and every day? Mine isn't, so I have no idea what these police officers go through. Its always easy to point fingers at others, but most of us have no idea what its like out there.
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Yeah it really gets me when people show up not even caring about what is being discussed. Only to show up for the gangbang and break ish.
Them people are totally worthless and put a bad name on something that is to be "COMMUNITY" and "PEACEFUL"...
Them people are totally worthless and put a bad name on something that is to be "COMMUNITY" and "PEACEFUL"...
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If I'm a cop, and some guy, who I've ordered to stop, is screaming and yelling at me, and suddenly reaches for something, or if he grabs my nightstick or weapon, he's getting shot. I don't see how you could reasonably state that the officer protecting himself from an unpredictable person who is also a criminal is excessive force 
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If I'm a cop, and some guy, who I've ordered to stop, is screaming and yelling at me, and suddenly reaches for something, or if he grabs my nightstick or weapon, he's getting shot. I don't see how you could reasonably state that the officer protecting himself from an unpredictable person who is also a criminal is excessive force
I am posting those examples up from what I had originally stated about what I am hearing at these protests.
"In addition this incident basically opened up the wounds of my community. There has been A LOT of "wrongful deaths" by police officers in Oakland over the last few decades. A lot of those have never been dealt justice and to see this happen again, it stirs the pot. So no, we are not just vocalizing anger for Oscar. We are vocalizing anger for the several other deaths that have occurred within the Oakland Community. Aside from that, as a community Oakland needs a lot of help. I don't have to tell you that, you know it. So these gatherings are also touching up on this."
Note I put wrongful in quotes. It does not mean I THINK THEY ARE, I am only echoing what people are complaining about in the community and how this is just one more thing people are getting pissed off of.
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I watched all the videos including one where the officer appears to be shocked at his own reaction. The officer made a mistake in a line of work that does not tolerate such actions. He's toast and deserves what he gets.
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Sorry, I should be more clear here people.
I am posting those examples up from what I had originally stated about what I am hearing at these protests.
"In addition this incident basically opened up the wounds of my community. There has been A LOT of "wrongful deaths" by police officers in Oakland over the last few decades. A lot of those have never been dealt justice and to see this happen again, it stirs the pot. So no, we are not just vocalizing anger for Oscar. We are vocalizing anger for the several other deaths that have occurred within the Oakland Community. Aside from that, as a community Oakland needs a lot of help. I don't have to tell you that, you know it. So these gatherings are also touching up on this."
Note I put wrongful in quotes. It does not mean I THINK THEY ARE, I am only echoing what people are complaining about in the community and how this is just one more thing people are getting pissed off of.
I am posting those examples up from what I had originally stated about what I am hearing at these protests.
"In addition this incident basically opened up the wounds of my community. There has been A LOT of "wrongful deaths" by police officers in Oakland over the last few decades. A lot of those have never been dealt justice and to see this happen again, it stirs the pot. So no, we are not just vocalizing anger for Oscar. We are vocalizing anger for the several other deaths that have occurred within the Oakland Community. Aside from that, as a community Oakland needs a lot of help. I don't have to tell you that, you know it. So these gatherings are also touching up on this."
Note I put wrongful in quotes. It does not mean I THINK THEY ARE, I am only echoing what people are complaining about in the community and how this is just one more thing people are getting pissed off of.
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is the rally actually called "rally for justice for Oscar Grant?" If so, no need to rally, the dude is in jail facing murder charges. Just a thought. How about the purpose of the rally be ending unneeded violence in Oakland? That would get a bigger crowd. Take back the city!