Islam, now the religion of... fury?
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Hey, I quoted YOU when you said NEVER and OLD TESTAMENT. Modern times? Luckily Judeo Christians have backed off the violence for the most part...but I was addressing assertion so I applied it to the last 2000 years...
I'm just saying, if Christ is the Prince of Peace, what does that make the leader of Islam?
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no different from them you guys are...
at least when you boil it down to its essence.. you know the core issue..
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at least when you boil it down to its essence.. you know the core issue..
IGNORANCE
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While there may not be an exact correlation between the violent tendancies of radical islam and evangelical chritianity, there is certainly an exact match in their illogical furvor and blind allegiance to their leaders. Systematic thinking, without the pollution of religiously-guided emotion, is lacking greatly in both camps. The issue will only be resolved if everyone takes religion completely out of government in all cases...or if all religions but one are exterminated. I personally like the idea of putting religion out of gov't for good...but if you like the idea of an apocalyptic battle ending with the destruction of humanity as we know it, I guess that's just your opinion.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
While there may not be an exact correlation between the violent tendancies of radical islam and evangelical chritianity, there is certainly an exact match in their illogical furvor and blind allegiance to their leaders.
We all know this isn't the first time Islam has stepped on their own tail when demanding an apology. Heck, it's happened a handful of times in the last year from cartoons to the desecration of the Quran, etc.
The irony of this fiasco is that the Pope quoted something said 400 years ago and Muslims solidified the context of the "by the sword" quote in blood. Yet there's no demand for an apology regarding their demands to have the Pope executed, threatening to break-up the cross and the death of that nun. We're talking about the Pope for crying out loud, not some diseased alley cat. This is the true ignorance.
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By 'may not be' I meant 'isn't'...the soft language was to imply that there are similarities OTHER than violence, not that there is some similarity in violence. Sorry for the syntactical error.
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Oh... then I agree.
More unfolds. It just gets better and better with these idiots:
No sword, eh?
More unfolds. It just gets better and better with these idiots:
VATICAN CITY - Pope Benedict XVI "sincerely regrets" offending Muslims with his reference to an obscure medieval text that characterizes some of the teachings of Islam's founder as "evil and inhuman," the Vatican said Saturday.
But the statement stopped short of the apology demanded by Islamic leaders around the globe, and anger among Muslims remained intense. Palestinians attacked five churches in the West Bank and Gaza over the pope's remarks Tuesday in a speech to university professors in his native Germany.
An Iraqi insurgent group threatened the Vatican with a suicide attack over the pope's remarks on Islam, according to a statement posted Saturday on the Web.
"We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life," said the message posted in the name of the Mujahedeen Army on a Web site frequently used by militant groups. The message's authenticity could not be independently verified. The statement was addressed to "you dog of Rome" and threatens to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home."
But the statement stopped short of the apology demanded by Islamic leaders around the globe, and anger among Muslims remained intense. Palestinians attacked five churches in the West Bank and Gaza over the pope's remarks Tuesday in a speech to university professors in his native Germany.
An Iraqi insurgent group threatened the Vatican with a suicide attack over the pope's remarks on Islam, according to a statement posted Saturday on the Web.
"We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life," said the message posted in the name of the Mujahedeen Army on a Web site frequently used by militant groups. The message's authenticity could not be independently verified. The statement was addressed to "you dog of Rome" and threatens to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home."
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Are you kidding?!?! There have been papal decrees to kill groups of people...if that's not direct support by the religion, I don't know what is...
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Again, that post I made was in response to a post that declared that Christianity NEVER condoned religion...
I am starting to really dispise the marriage of Christianity and politics in the US though...the fact that so many people jump to the defense of the religion and it's ties to our gov't so quickly is a symptom of the fact that faith in an afterlife is controlling our politics rather than a faith in the ability of human kind to coexist peacefully.
I am starting to really dispise the marriage of Christianity and politics in the US though...the fact that so many people jump to the defense of the religion and it's ties to our gov't so quickly is a symptom of the fact that faith in an afterlife is controlling our politics rather than a faith in the ability of human kind to coexist peacefully.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Again, that post I made was in response to a post that declared that Christianity NEVER condoned religion...
Do you mean "violence?" If so, again I ask you how many times the Vatican has called for/waged a jihad in the last 50 years? 100yrs? 200yrs?
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I am starting to really dispise the marriage of Christianity and politics in the US though...the fact that so many people jump to the defense of the religion and it's ties to our gov't so quickly is a symptom of the fact that faith in an afterlife is controlling our politics rather than a faith in the ability of human kind to coexist peacefully.
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Do you mean "violence?" If so, again I ask you how many times the Vatican has called for/waged a jihad in the last 50 years? 100yrs? 200yrs?Is it any "worse" today than at any time previous?
I think the Papacy, which acts as a governing body for Catholicism, is a great thing in that it oversees everything the church does. Thankfully, the Pope is truly peaceful. But the thing is even though other forms of Christianity may respect the views of the Pope, most do not adhere to Catholism. You have all these forms (like Islamic sects) of Christianity and none of them live by the sword, at least not in recent history.
Now take Islam... You don't have someone as powerful as the Pope but it doesn't matter. Instead, you have ALL these different sects (like the different forms of Christianity) - some more extreme than others - that have a spiritual figurehead (usually the founder of the sect being dead and the current living clerics). Unlike their Christian counterparts, most all of these sects do not get along AND most all (in the Middle East & Africa) share the fact they hate the West. Now take it one step further... consider all the sects that preach violence, hatred, issue fatwa, are intolerant, etc.
I think this says something about Islam in it's most basic form, don’t you guys? Especially considering where Islam originated... it didn't start where the peaceful Muslims you and I know practice in the USA.
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How much more apologies does the Islam Community wants...
Did we hear any apologies from them regarding 9/11.. F**K NO
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How dare these so called Muslim "Scholar" demand more apologies if we never heard of any kind of apologies about 9/11..
How can you.. F******g resolve anything if the people you wanna make peace with can't even see their own mistake from within their sect.
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Another thing I may add.. How can you call Islam a religion of peace, when you see its people raging thru violence when we all know that the Pope only wishes peace amongst other. . . Atleast try to actually listen to the whole speech by the Pope instead of qouting one sentence.
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I dont really wanna say anything else .. just gets me really mad with all these ignorance.. . These people hold their grudges for something that happened centuries ago.. Let it go and just get along...
Did we hear any apologies from them regarding 9/11.. F**K NO
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How dare these so called Muslim "Scholar" demand more apologies if we never heard of any kind of apologies about 9/11..
How can you.. F******g resolve anything if the people you wanna make peace with can't even see their own mistake from within their sect.
.
Another thing I may add.. How can you call Islam a religion of peace, when you see its people raging thru violence when we all know that the Pope only wishes peace amongst other. . . Atleast try to actually listen to the whole speech by the Pope instead of qouting one sentence.
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I dont really wanna say anything else .. just gets me really mad with all these ignorance.. . These people hold their grudges for something that happened centuries ago.. Let it go and just get along...
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