I see exactly what's going on. You're calling our government corrupt but turn a blind eye to the moral corruptness of the majority of abortion-loving liberals!
How can you critique a government that stumbles when trying to spread democracy, while you and your minions try to make abortion and gay marriage as mainstream family values?

You have more qualms with core American values than you do with preserving America from true threats.

 

First, "quams" is spelled with an "L". Sorry, pet-peeve.

Political corruption and "moral corruption" are two entirely different things. One is objective, the other is not. Aren't you all for the liberation of predominatly Muslim countries? I would assume that means you are against theocratic, moral-dictatorships.

My Christian faith does not extoll moral authority over others. It instead necessitates action within myself first and foremost.

 

NO law respecting an establishment of religion. Since the arguments against abortion and gay marriage are both based in biblical text, they cannot be made illegal in America. Helladumb, you claim outright that these are Christian moral values (anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage), so even you can't argue that it is unconstitutional that they be made illegal. That's why Roe V Wade will not be overturned regardless of the make up of the supreme court.
It does say that you cannot prohibit the practice of a religion; so if YOU don't want to have an abortion because it's not Chritianly, or YOU don't marry a dude because it'll send you to Christian hell, then that's your right.


I read this all last night because I was bored. It's confusing as s***, no wonder there's so many arguments over what the hell they meant...
http://www.archives.gov/national-arc...stitution.html

 

Hella Dumb? Sometimes, but he can occasionally display intelligence, although it is a rather myopic intelligence.
A complete ***? most certainly. But I think he gets off on it.

 

MV? Are you feeling ok? Normally there's some logical flow in your posts... not this time. It sounds like you're all for murder since it's based on biblical texts?
Oh, you mean your not for murder? Abortion is murder and our society forbids murder, right?

Funny how your mom could have had you aborted 1 minute before delivery, but it would have been a crime to toss you in a dumpster 1 minute after.
You're ok with that?

Where did you want to draw the line... everything religious is wrong?

I have no idea where you pulled the gay issue from, but cummon... illegal? Something not being legally recognized and something being expressly forbid (illegal) are quite different.

 

Everything religious isn't wrong, but you can't make a law forbidding certain things because a group beleives it is wrong based on their religion while others believe it is not wrong based on another religion or the lack of a relgion.

 

I understand your point, but in reality, the popular will of a society should rule.
This inherent conflict of opposing values is the greatest reason against immigrating peoples into this country that don't posess values in-line with our current societal views.

Just like Christians have had to tread lightly in countries with islamic Law, people of other religions should tread lightly and adapt to Christian values if those are shared with the majority populus. Yeah, I realize there is a separation in our mostly Christian-influenced nation that prevents a theocracy, but there's nothing that should prevent people to create a country in-line with their moral values. The ten commandments aren't our law, but they influenced our laws (perjury, adultery, murder, etc).

 

I agree, but saying that the 10 commandments were the first itteration of those rules is pretty ignorant. Systems of laws predate even Judaism, and all systems of law had the basic rules of 'don't murder', 'don't steal', etc. The commandments just organized them and gave a higher power as the reason to follow the rules. So if the morals predate the commandments, then our system of laws is really influenced by the morals of our prehistoric ancenstors; not neccesarily the JudeoChristian bible and its commandments.

 

Ok, so if "morals" are in sync with the JudeoChristian bible then why not just have a theocracy?

 

Because the morals predate the religion. That means the religion is NOT neccesary to have and enforce the morals. And since with relgion comes opinion and disagreement, why WOULD you want a theocracy over a moral secular society? What would thre reason be for religion, or a theocracy, if they are not neccesary to hold people to a moral standard?

I've never heard a good reason for why religion is better than moral secularity. Being secular allows much more change over time (which is obviously neccesary for a set of rules). For example, the whole kosher food thing. Those rules were made to make people safe from diseases carried by certain animals; so you make the animal illegal to eat. But now we can process the animal in such a way that makes the animal safe to eat. Should it still be illegal? Well, since religion is based on tradition and a 'higher power' that we can't discuss the topic with, it remains 'illegal' to eat those animals. However in a moral secular society, it is obvious that if the animal is now safe to eat, there is no reason to have a law against eating it.

 

Our society is a perfect example for what moral secularity can bring, at least in the eyes of many religious people....moral decay like polygamy, gay marriage, rampant infidelity, and the murder of the pre-born are just some examples at the forefront.

If you look at most religious laws or lessons of the bible, most clearly benefit society and public safety. Murder, rape, incest, infidelity... Look at places like Africa where Christianity or a peaceful religion ISN'T present, and it's usually a tragic place.

 

Well, I can see this point, but my assertion is that some of the things you call immoral are only immoral from a religious, historic point of view. Also, some religions actually condone some of the things you list as immoral, further showing that one religions rightness is not neccesarily morally right in this day and age but a reflection of the time period in which the rules were made (mormon polygamy for example...)

And your point on the lack of Christianity is rediculous...most of Africa has been introduced to Christianity or had it forced on them, as have most 3rd world countries around the world. The 'lack' of religion is not why tradgedy abounds; in fact, I would suggest that the most fiercly violent areas of the world ARE indoctrinated with Christianity to some degree.

 

Em, my grandparents were missionaries in Congo and Christianity never took a hold there. Many missionaries were killed because of a lack of "modern morality,"but more because they were in the path of continuing cycles of tribal warfare. If one religion could keep Africans from commonly butchering thier fellow Africans out of jealousy and/or tribal ancestry, or prevent the brutal rape of infants and virgins as an Aids cure, then how can it be claimed that morality without religion is equal to morality with religion?

 

You going to make it to rim of the world this year hella?