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Old 08-19-2005, 11:59 AM
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Pentagon Blocks Release of Abu Ghraib Images: Here's Why

By Greg Mitchell

Published: July 23, 2005 6:00 PM ET

NEW YORK So what is shown on the 87 photographs and four videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon, in an eleventh hour move, blocked from release this weekend? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images: "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe.” They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added.

A Republican Senator suggested the same day they contained scenes of “rape and murder.” No wonder Rumsfeld commented then, "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse."

Yesterday, news emerged that lawyers for the Pentagon had refused to cooperate with a federal judge's order to release dozens of unseen photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq by Saturday. The photos were among thousands turned over by the key “whistleblower” in the scandal, Specialist Joseph M. Darby. Just a few that were released to the press sparked the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal last year, and the video images are said to be even more shocking.

The Pentagon lawyers said in a letter sent to the federal court in Manhattan that they would file a sealed brief explaining their reasons for not turning over the material. They had been ordered to do so by a federal judge in response to a FOIA lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU accused the government Friday of putting another legal roadblock in the way of its bid to allow the public to see the images of the prisoner abuse scandal.

One Pentagon lawyer has argued that they should not be released because they would only add to the humiliation of the prisoners. But the ACLU has said the faces of the victims can easily be "redacted."

[NOTE: The New York Times on Tuesday ran a somewhat confusing correction on its story about this episode: "An article on Saturday about a federal judge's order regarding photographs and videotapes related to the Abu Ghraib prison scandal misstated a deadline and the response by Defense Department lawyers. The government was given until Friday to black out some identifying details in the material, not to release it. Defense Department lawyers met that deadline, but asked the court to block the public release of the materials. They did not refuse to cooperate with an order for the materials' release."]

To get a sense of what may be shown in these images, one has to go back to press reports from when the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal was still front page news.

This is how CNN reported it on May 8, 2004, in a typical account that day:

“U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld revealed Friday that videos and ‘a lot more pictures’ exist of the abuse of Iraqis held at Abu Ghraib prison.

"’If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse,’ Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. ‘I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe.’

“The embattled defense secretary fielded sharp and skeptical questions from lawmakers as he testified about the growing prisoner abuse scandal. A military report about that abuse describes detainees being threatened, sodomized with a chemical light and forced into sexually humiliating poses.

“Charges have been brought against seven service members, and investigations into events at the prison continue.

“Military investigators have looked into -- or are continuing to investigate -- 35 cases of alleged abuse or deaths of prisoners in detention facilities in the Central Command theater, according to Army Secretary Les Brownlee. Two of those cases were deemed homicides, he said.

"’The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,’ Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. ’We're talking about rape and murder -- and some very serious charges.’

“A report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba on the abuse at the prison outside Baghdad says videotapes and photographs show naked detainees, and that groups of men were forced to ********** while being photographed and videotaped. Taguba also found evidence of a ‘male MP guard having sex with a female detainee.’

“Rumsfeld told Congress the unrevealed photos and videos contain acts 'that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman.’”

The military later screened some of the images for lawmakers, who said they showed, among other things, attack dogs snarling at cowed prisoners, Iraqi women forced to expose their breasts, and naked prisoners forced to have sex with each other.

In the same period, reporter Seymour Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: “Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men….The women were passing messages saying ‘Please come and kill me, because of what's happened.’

“Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out.”
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Interesting.
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Kill 'em all. Of course I don't really mean that...but man that's my first knee jerk reaction. If any of those scum suckers are linked to the bastards that have anything to do with any act of terrorism against the U.S. I say we just execute them on the spot.

What's with all the picture taking? If you we're in charge of this place and you knew that the world would not agree with your tactics, why allow all the picture and video taking?

In many third world countries these guys would have been skinned alive and then made to suffer untill their last seconds of life. But, we being the example setters for the world, must hold back from doing such things.
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yeah who needs an investigation, who needs the truth.. just kill em all based on their ideas of what a god is! or maybe their skin tone!

must be nice being the majority in what ever back water suburb you live in.. nothing like hiding in the majority to make ones views complacent and skewed
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Why would any patriotic american want these pictures circulating while there is a war going on? I have no problem with releasing stuff like this once the war is over.

Whatever heads that needed to roll have already rolled.
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hahahahahahahah

the "patriot" card

roflnuke
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Hey "knee jerk"

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yeah who needs an investigation, who needs the truth.. just kill em all based on their ideas of what a god is! or maybe their skin tone!

must be nice being the majority in what ever back water suburb you live in.. nothing like hiding in the majority to make ones views complacent and skewed
Easy big boy, don't get all twisted up over nuth'n. I simply meant that I'd like to beat the holy living crap out of these guys as much as the next patriot. However, as my last sentence explained, I know it's wrong. ("But, we being the example setters for the world, must hold back from doing such things.")

I'm a little surprised that the people in charge over there allowed all the picture and video taking. If you're doing something shady why take chances. Again, not saying it's right.

Honestly though, say you were over there guarding these suspects. Wouldn't you be a little tempted to beat some ***? Especially if the guy is looking you right in the face telling you that he is happy that thousands of innocent men, women, and children died in the name of (his version) Allah? Or are you a peace loving hippie that doesn't care about the fate of others? Just happy to smoke some pot and live free as a bird...

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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
hahahahahahahah

the "patriot" card

roflnuke
Hahahh you hate it when I play it, because it gets you every time.
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actually it makes me laugh because it shows how retarded you really are.
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Originally Posted by Chrisnonstop
Easy big boy, don't get all twisted up over nuth'n. I simply meant that I'd like to beat the holy living crap out of these guys as much as the next patriot. However, as my last sentence explained, I know it's wrong. ("But, we being the example setters for the world, must hold back from doing such things.")

I'm a little surprised that the people in charge over there allowed all the picture and video taking. If you're doing something shady why take chances. Again, not saying it's right.

Honestly though, say you were over there guarding these suspects. Wouldn't you be a little tempted to beat some ***? Especially if the guy is looking you right in the face telling you that he is happy that thousands of innocent men, women, and children died in the name of (his version) Allah? Or are you a peace loving hippie that doesn't care about the fate of others? Just happy to smoke some pot and live free as a bird...

PS dumb ***... the videos and pictures are most likely used as a tool for black mail..

ABSO FREAKING LUTELY NOT!!!!!!!

what happened to our higher standards and morals? What happened to our honor? What happened to our integrity? What happened to our ability to be better then the cut throat CRIMINALS that attack us on a daily bassis in iraq with no regards for civilians?

So basicly you are saying that it is ok to become that which we fight?

Nice..


Dont get me wrong there is a time and place to become savages and act as they...

That place IS NOT a prison which holds CIVILIANS as well as insurgents..

And in my view that sort of behavior SHOULD NOT be executed by RUN OF THE MILL SOLIDERS IN BDU's...

That sort of **** should be reserved for those who do not exist and live in the shadows. You know the sorts..
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