Mmm mmm nuclear power =)

 

agreed why punish ford they didnt take gov money

and they wont again

 

did you know that the more fox news you watch, (and this is proven in numerous public opinion polls, gallup...) that you actually know less about the world. 2/3 of fox news watchers think Iraq was behind 9/11

So the government spent one billion on jump starting the auto industry again. That's what we spend in three days in Iraq. 250,000 cars were sold in the last 4 days. That's a good thing. Instead of those cars rusting away in peoples backyards, they are being recycled into useful scrap. Did you know that recycling ONE soda/beer can you can power your television for three straight days? So stop being so reactionary, TURN OFF GLEN BECK, and fox news.

Listen to Democracy Now! Please.

 

I call complete BS on your post. You hate the administration, you hate the idea of helping people, so you decide to find flaws with this program. The problem is, you know nothing about it and decide to make up random BS. Were you personally there when every car got destroyed, tallying how many were "actually clunkers"? Did you examine the raw data of the cars that were brought in compared against the cars that were bought to replace them? I'm going with a big fat ****ing NO on that one chief.

My only gripe with the program is that it should have ben limited to american built cars.

 

 

What are you smoking? Have you even read the reports that people and auto shops are calling in about this program? Maybe 33% of cars MAYBE if not less are actually really clunkers. Fine, that's great, I'll give them that. That leaves a good 2/3rds of the cars that are FULLY paid (if not a trade in) that are still drivable and americans do not have to pay anymore out of their pocket for.

But they trade them in... take citizens 3500-4500 TAX/BORROWED dollars and buy a new car? and end up having to pay their payments again?

This is very simple logic, yet I still don't know how all of you democrats do not understand this. We have a deficit, we got there by spending. So what did Obama do? SPEND MORE?!? We are BORROWING money from other countries who buy our bonds and SPEND IT. How about go back the other way and stop spending?

This clunker thing is having people spend more, and DO YOU SERIOUSLY, and I mean SERIOUSLY, think that the auto sales blip of 2.3% increase in sales is going to all of a sudden help fix the economy? Absolutely not. It's putting us, the taxpayers, in MORE debt than BEFORE the bill. Why? Spend spend spend.

We must stop spending, and when citizens stops spending, the GOVERNMENT SPENDS IT FOR US?!? What the living hell are they doing? I guarantee you that all of this spending is just going to put us in worse shape than if we just stop, let the places go bankrupts instead of nationalizing everything.

The government isn't made to bailout anything, the government needs to stay out, and let the CAPITALISTIC markets rebalance itself. Let the Ford's and other companies who know how to stay afloat, do their thing, instead of punishing them with a stupid bill like this. We should let the SMART and efficient businesses expand and lead the way, not bail out failing businesses. We should let the FAILING businesses CRUMBLE, instead of wasting our tax dollars on a dumb bill that isn't going to fix anything.

BTW I might listen to fox news, but I don't just take their word on everything. Some things are far fetched, but I listen to the citizens a lot more than to a program such as Fox. I like fox because they talk about crap that no one else talks about on regular news channels. I also get a lot of my information on the web, since that is more efficient and not FCC'd

 

Uhh...I don't believe that for a moment. Sources?

Yeah...but how many were bought right out and how many were: *duh duh daah!* financed!? This is EXACTLY what got us into trouble in the first place.

Umm...wtf is 'useful' scrap? They take the engine and drive train so you can't re-sell the car and destroy it then crush the car and put it into a junk yard. Useful? For whom?

Uhh...No. Like seriously. No, dude.

Recycling has NOTHING to do with power - in fact recycling actually COSTS energy to do - recycling and reusing materials are about reducing the amount of consumables we take in - it has nothing to do with power.

Oh and source? Cuz that's bull.

 

You sir need to listen to the radio and listen to the people who call in and their job professions. I guarantee you that there are plenty of cars being wasted in this program, good engines, good trannies, all being destroyed, made into metal, and sent to china where they do something with it and send it back to us?

The idea of the government spending our money doesn't maek sense.

This isn't about trying to HELP other people. There are better ways we can be spending $$ to HELP other people. IE government can pay for all the poorest areas and put in solar panels to help with the energy bill etc. But it's more of a spending bill than it is a helping bill.

Again, you fail to recognize the fact that now americans are starting to spend less, and the government instead is spending it for us...

We got here by spending, spending even more isn't going to fix anything.

You let the failing businesses fail, stop wasting money in them. You let the Ford's and the other companies who know how to adjust and stay afloat get bigger, not steal their money with these stupid provisions. Promote afloat companies to expand. Destroy the ones that should have failed.