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Old Dec 19, 2005 | 07:18 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10538012/

Well, looks like nobody cares.
Old Dec 19, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10538012/

Well, looks like nobody cares.
Ooh! Ooh! Dueling polls:

A CNN/USA Today Gallup poll conducted over the weekend found his approval rating stood at 41 percent, while more than half, or 56 percent, disapprove of how the president is handling his job. A majority, or 52 percent, say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq, and 61 percent say they disapprove of how he is handling Iraq specifically. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/...oll/index.html

And

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

And

How would you characterize any domestic spying without a warrant?
Never acceptable 62%
A necessity 31%
I'm not sure 7%


Do you think such eavesdropping should be legal?
No 62%
Yes 31%
I don't know 6%
Total Votes: 186,128

And

Time poll:

President’s 41% Approval Undercut by Iraq

In 2008, 60% Would Like the Next President to be ‘Completely Different’ from Bush

Oh...it goes on and on....Your assertions ring FALSE, hella.

People care, and bush is wrong on this issue.
Old Dec 20, 2005 | 10:42 AM
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Ooh! Ooh! Dueling polls:

A CNN/USA Today Gallup poll conducted over the weekend found his approval rating stood at 41 percent
You can stop there! You realize that's a decent approval rating, right (Wash times says 47%!!!!)? That's waaaaaaaaaay higher than Clinton's low and Clinton got to ride the stock bubble, didn't have 9/11, didn't have Iraq, didn't have the stock bubble-burst, the shift of tech jobs overseas, etc.

The must be hiding the spy polls deep inside of liberal articles, because I still cannot find them on the main page of mainstream news sites.

From Wash Times:
By Dan Balz and Richard Morin

Updated: 8:53 a.m. ET Dec. 20, 2005
President Bush's approval rating has surged in recent weeks, reversing what had been an extended period of decline, with Americans now expressing renewed optimism about the future of democracy in Iraq, the campaign against terrorism and the U.S. economy, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News Poll.

Bush's overall approval rating rose to 47 percent, from 39 percent in early November, with 52 percent saying they disapprove of how he is handling his job. His approval rating on Iraq jumped 10 percentage points since early November, to 46 percent, while his rating on the economy rose 11 points, to 47 percent. A clear majority, 56 percent, said they approve of the way Bush is handling the fight against terrorism -- a traditional strong point in his reputation that nonetheless had flagged to 48 percent in the November poll.

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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
You can stop there! You realize that's a decent approval rating, right (Wash times says 47%!!!!)? That's waaaaaaaaaay higher than Clinton's .

Pbbbtt!

Originally Posted by cnn
(AllPolitics, December 20) -- In the wake of the House of Representatives' approval of two articles of impeachment, Bill Clinton's approval rating has jumped 10 points to 73 percent, the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows.

That's not only an all-time high for Clinton, it also beats the highest approval rating President Ronald Reagan ever had.
Bush's lowest approval rating to date was a 35-percent mark in a CBS News poll from October 30-November 1 (with a margin of error of +/-3 percent).

According to the polling archive of the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research, Reagan's lowest approval rating was also 35 percent, in a Gallup Poll from January 28-31, 1983.

The Roper Center lists Clinton's low at a 36 percent, according to a Yank/Time/CNN Poll from May 26-27, 1993. (one year into his first term, and before the bubble began.

SO to recap...two polls have bush at 41%

One poll has him at 46% (the one you cited)

Not really significant gains, on average.

Furthermore, multiple polls show that 60% of people disagree with his actions on wiretapping.
Old Dec 20, 2005 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lojasmo
SO to recap...two polls have bush at 41%

One poll has him at 46% (the one you cited)

Not really significant gains, on average.

Furthermore, multiple polls show that 60% of people disagree with his actions on wiretapping.
First, with all of the red herrings taken out, you can see that GW's approval rating, in-spite of all of the current obstacles, is higher than Clinton's low. Clinton NEVER faced what Bush is facing, so this is a fair comparison.

Second, where are these polls about wire-tapping? I still can't find any that are available off the front page of mainstream news sites like CNN, MSNB, Foxnews, etc.
Old Dec 20, 2005 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
First, with all of the red herrings taken out, you can see that GW's approval rating, in-spite of all of the current obstacles, is higher than Clinton's low. Clinton NEVER faced what Bush is facing, so this is a fair comparison.

Second, where are these polls about wire-tapping? I still can't find any that are available off the front page of mainstream news sites like CNN, MSNB, Foxnews, etc.
Heh....Clinton's low while the economy was still tanked by bush, and Clinton had just raised taxes to fix bush's fookups.

Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I still contend that nobody cares... I want to see some polls!
Originally Posted by lojasmo
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

MSNBC poll:

Do you agree with the president's actions:

81% of 4400 voting disagree with the president's actions.

In your face, helladumb.
But the actual link is dynamic, so the poll is gone.

Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Well, I accept that my assumption is wrong, but I think ignorance on my behalf and on the behalf of those taking the poll also gets credit.

SO my question to you: Could you STFU about "nobody cares?"

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Old Dec 20, 2005 | 12:20 PM
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I don't buy a poll I can't find, and trust me.. I've looked.

If polls aren't going to be front-page, but buried inside partisan propaganda, poll results are not reliable! Makes sense, right?

If we are going to compare organ sizes, mine is bigger. GW inherited a stock bubble, record corporate fraud, and a recession from Clintoon and Hitlery.
Old Dec 20, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I don't buy a poll I can't find, and trust me.. I've looked.

If polls aren't going to be front-page, but buried inside partisan propaganda, poll results are not reliable! Makes sense, right?

If we are going to compare organ sizes, mine is bigger. GW inherited a stock bubble, record corporate fraud, and a recession from Clintoon and Hitlery.
You looked at the poll, then admitted you were freaking wrong It's right up there, bub.

GW allowed the corporate fraud to happen, under his "good friend" kenny Lay.
Old Dec 20, 2005 | 03:41 PM
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You looked at the poll, then admitted you were freaking wrong It's right up there, bub.
GW allowed the corporate fraud to happen, under his "good friend" kenny Lay.
McFly, I followed a link to a survey that was buried well off the front page. I'm not sure if you found the link at moveon.org or at Stewart Smally's web page, but it really doesn't matter.

Are you trying to say that all of the convicted corporate criminals weren't committing myschief under Slick Willie?
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McFly, I followed a link to a survey that was buried well off the front page.
The survey question was on the front page of MSNBC.

The poll results are always on a separate page.


Originally Posted by hella
Are you trying to say that all of the convicted corporate criminals weren't committing myschief under Slick Willie?
I'm trying to say that prior to the Enron crash, Dick Cheney had private "national energy strategy" meetings with Ken lay, and refused to divulge the records, despite multiple court orders.

It is well known that Lay and Bush are close buddies. I'm saying that Bush and Lay were both out to fleece the American people.
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Here's another beaut!

"Clearly, it is an impeachable offense," he says. "I think the case is overwhelming that these people presented false information to the Congress and to the American people."

John Dean, former councel to President Richard Nixon
Old Dec 20, 2005 | 11:29 PM
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I fully support it. People think that this is a new tactic for the most powerful man in the world. The only reason this has surfaced is because of the usual Bush witch hunt in the last few years.



Absolutely. Keeping tabs on those that may have connections to al Qaida is VITAL. The PA may not have prevented 9/11 had it existed but this may have and should be implemented till the end of time.
Umm, they did know about potential terrorist acts before 9/11. They just didnt act on it.

"This authorization is a vital tool in our war against the terrorists. It is critical to saving American lives. The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution, to protect them and their civil liberties and that is exactly what I will continue to do as long as I am president of the United States," Bush said.

he kind of forgot that, under our law and Constitution part, didnt he?

If this is supposed to help out 'war on terrorism' why isnt bush wiretapping drug lords without warrants? we have a war on poverty, why isnt bush wiretapping and spying on your common street criminal? Come on people, look at what hes doing to you! hes making you give up your rights and your privacy! What would you do if your son or daughter was a suspected 'terrorist' and your household was being wiretapped by your government. what would you do? get your lawyer? Bush doesnt need to follow the laws, remember? Would you rely on the media to get this scandal into the air? not gonna happen. You people are so willing to give up your rights when you think it wont really ever have to deal with it.
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From the NYT

"WASHINGTON, Dec. 20 - A surveillance program approved by President Bush to conduct eavesdropping without warrants has captured what are purely domestic communications in some cases, despite a requirement by the White House that one end of the intercepted conversations take place on foreign soil, officials say.

The officials say the National Security Agency's interception of a small number of communications between people within the United States was apparently accidental, and was caused by technical glitches at the National Security Agency in determining whether a communication was in fact "international."
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Originally Posted by MBasile
If this is supposed to help out 'war on terrorism' why isnt bush wiretapping drug lords without warrants? we have a war on poverty, why isnt bush wiretapping and spying on your common street criminal? Come on people, look at what hes doing to you! hes making you give up your rights and your privacy! What would you do if your son or daughter was a suspected 'terrorist' and your household was being wiretapped by your government. what would you do? get your lawyer? Bush doesnt need to follow the laws, remember? Would you rely on the media to get this scandal into the air? not gonna happen. You people are so willing to give up your rights when you think it wont really ever have to deal with it.
Hahahaha so you admit you are out to get bush then?

You only have something to fear if you are a criminal, fit a profile, or are simply paranoid.

Give it up already. Your neighbors want your phone tapped, because you look plain old creepy .
Old Dec 21, 2005 | 08:46 AM
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OK. You've made it loud and clear that you and other extremist liberals hate bush for doing whatever it takes to defend us. You'd rather see 9/11 happen every 3 months than have the ACLU's phone tapped.

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"Clearly, it is an impeachable offense," he says. "I think the case is overwhelming that these people presented false information to the Congress and to the American people."
John Dean, former councel to President Richard Nixon



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