Religious right turn out larger than expected. Thats about the only reason I can think that he won.

 

 

There are more Mormons in CA than in any other state in the union. I happen to know a lot of Mormons. They're good people, a lot of people seem not to like them. I find that those people know little about the Mormon religion, and what they do know is more often then not completely false or misunderstood.

 

Read some books called "under the banner of heaven" and "red water". Mormons are nice people, i worked for them for years in el dorado hills. They were all blond and blandly polite. Their religion, quite honestly though, is absolutley insane. As i said before, the only way you could possible believe that malarkey is to have it smashed throught he cracks in your skull before they fuse. It's right up there with scientology. Sorry if there are any mormons here, but thats how i feel.

Also, they are slowly leaking into power here in california - and that makes me nervous - good people or not.

 

Mormons have some crazy ideas... and ex-gf of mine use to be a mormon before she left the religion. She told me some crazy stories. Some of the stuff the believe is like "WOOOO wtf?!" type of deal.

 

I knew a Mormon a few years ago. At 18 years old she got pregnant by her boyfriend who had no job and quit school after high school and refused to wear a condom as it's against their religion. They now live with their big family who are popping out kids like Pez candy and only the parents can hold down a job. It's a pathetic religion that shuns birth control.

 

I have tons of mormom horror stories - but on a core level the religion tries to teach them to be good people, and thats respectable - but sadly the more retarded parts of their religion that their predatory shaman of a founder penned in last minute so he could manipulate his followers trip them up. They can't convert anyone in their right mind - so they have to reproduce like bunnies.

 

Under the Banner of Heaven!?

"Reviews the life and beliefs of incarcerated Mormon polygamist Ron Lafferty, who received a "revelation from God" that he was to kill his brother's wife and baby. Twenty years later he is still convinced the deed was righteous, justified in his mind by an extreme fundamentalist rendition of the LDS-based faith."

He was not a member of the LDS church, they do not practice polygamy. If he were he would have been ex communicated not to mention the fact that he's a murderer. In fact he was "an extreme fundamentalist" of an "LDS-based faith."

And Red Water!? This is what the author had to say about her book.

"I know this is fiction and Freeman says at the end of the book : "this book is a work of the imagination" and she cautions readers NOT to read it as a version of history.
Veiled in its secret ceremonies and rituals, Mormonism is always going to be looked at suspiciously. Surely their leaders must know this and figure it is the price they must pay."

Have you even read those books? As I said I've known a lot of Mormons that were not. But then if you don't stereotype them its hard to justify your bigotry.

Nothing about their doctrine, or the beginnings of their religion are any more remarkable (or insane as you put it) than any other religion I've yet studied.

You're a bigot, deal with it.

 

Way to sound informed and back up your opinions.

 

You are grossly mis informed, I know for a fact that a lot of my Mormon freinds use all manners of contraceptive. And having a lot of kids and not being able to hold down a job seems to be an American past time as of late and is certainly not a by product of the Mormon religion.

 

First hand horror stories or just stories from blatantly antimormon literature? Lets try not to demonize people and prove your point by saying things like "predatory shaman". It really doesn't help your case.

 

I agree. Good people, etc., etc. But growing up in Utah and being the minority (non-mormon) tends to make you a little angry at "The Man."

 

That I can completly understand, what I find hard to stomach is some of our other posters attitudes and justifications for them.

 

Yeah, it seems to me that a lot of people in CA don't want good people in a position of power.

 

Ok, you guys. Enough with the mormon slamming. The point of my original post was not how bad mormons are. In fact, I never said a thing about mormons. The point was my fear for the next four years and that I may be effected directly by yesterday's elections.

On another note, I have a friend who lives in a European country and even though these people hate him and ridicule him daily, he has decided he will not be returning to "live in a country that supports a war-mongering president like George Bush."

Now that you Republicans have won the election, I think its time we all try to solve problems like this. Don't say that it doesn't matter what other countries think about our policy, don't ignore them. It does matter. We DO have to do something to improve our reputation worldwide. It is important that we have a strong coalition, especially if we plan to wage a global war on terror.