Not a fan of coilovers
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i would not recommend putting the type wagons on a sedan. i can never remember which is longer but either the sedan or wagon's rear strut and spring assembly is one inch longer. ideal spring rates for the sedan would also be lower as there is less weight riding over the rear wheels in a sedan.
Originally posted by Steppin Razor
i would not recommend putting the type wagons on a sedan. i can never remember which is longer but either the sedan or wagon's rear strut and spring assembly is one inch longer. ideal spring rates for the sedan would also be lower as there is less weight riding over the rear wheels in a sedan.
i would not recommend putting the type wagons on a sedan. i can never remember which is longer but either the sedan or wagon's rear strut and spring assembly is one inch longer. ideal spring rates for the sedan would also be lower as there is less weight riding over the rear wheels in a sedan.
Well explain that to the dozens of people that already do this.
Re: coil overs
Originally posted by madrex
I was gonna get Perrin springs, I live close to Alta here in Oregon, and they said their springs will be in soon. Perrin springs will be made by H&R, but will have 1.4" drop in rear and 1.8 drop in front. They said they like the H&R rates, but wanted to level the car out more.
so I was gonna slap those on, and then get some AGX's later, which might be released on us public folk about the time my stock struts are shooooootttt.......
just trying to stretch every penny, thanks mon, later
I was gonna get Perrin springs, I live close to Alta here in Oregon, and they said their springs will be in soon. Perrin springs will be made by H&R, but will have 1.4" drop in rear and 1.8 drop in front. They said they like the H&R rates, but wanted to level the car out more.
so I was gonna slap those on, and then get some AGX's later, which might be released on us public folk about the time my stock struts are shooooootttt.......
just trying to stretch every penny, thanks mon, later
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thanks for the input fella, I appreciate your thoughts here. The money is not really the issue here (unless we're talkin bout coilovers, i can't justify their cost for street driving) So far i've only done one mod at a time to the car, so i could feel exactly how it changed the car. example: i put in a perrin rear antiswaybar, rode that for a couple weeks, then put on 17's and rode those for a couple weeks, now i'm gonna put endlinks on and just use those until the springs come in. this is why i wanted to do the springs now and the agx's when they come out (btw, a guy from KYB emailed me back the other day saying that the agx will be out for the 02-03 wrx sometime late July, and Alta says their Perrin springs are in customs in Cali right now and should be here momentarily) I will be doing all the installs myself, so that cost is not a factor, but the cost of an extra alignment is. Maybe I could get Alta to drop the price enough to cover an extra alignment if I agree to do a writeup on some forums telling how the Perrin springs are with stock struts; i dunno, maybe a dumb idea. Its mostly a time thing as opposed to a cost thing. i'm pretty set on the products i'm gonna buy, just have to wait for them to be available for my car, eh.
unlike any other car i've ever had before, this one just seems to beg me from the driveway to run an errand. the new just doesn't seem to wear off. i have a unique relationship to this car, it just asked to be driven, and driven hard. the harder i push it the better it feels. when i'm goin back and forth to home depot for stuff, i always seem to forget one thing and end up going back for it, but i just dont seem to mind... and the car just gets better with every mod.
alright thats all fo now, later Bennie O.
unlike any other car i've ever had before, this one just seems to beg me from the driveway to run an errand. the new just doesn't seem to wear off. i have a unique relationship to this car, it just asked to be driven, and driven hard. the harder i push it the better it feels. when i'm goin back and forth to home depot for stuff, i always seem to forget one thing and end up going back for it, but i just dont seem to mind... and the car just gets better with every mod.
alright thats all fo now, later Bennie O.
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can we get a price list going here?
I got the Koni inserts for $550. Not cheap, but should last a lifetime.
Springs to go with these. SPT ~ $220, Eibach ~ $220, Prodrive ~ $300, Ground-Control with adjustable height/Eibach race springs $400.
STi/STP non adjustable are around $1500 and come with new lower control arms and new bushings, etc.
STi takeoffs Version 7 and Version 8 (sligthly used) sell for around $800 or so. I believe these are adjustable.
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hey Gonz, which Koni's do you have? are they the Koni yellow's; slip in, but adjustable, right... What springs are you running? and most importantly; would you say that the handling/grip is improved alot or a little/ how does it ride (to the lay person will they wonder if something is broken because it is so bumpy?)
i may not wait for the agx's for a couple reasons:
as soon as the perrin springs are out, i wanna get em and put them on with some new struts, dont want to have to take em out later for new struts, besides the multiple alignment hassles.
i've read multiple times that the agx's ride too stiff for comfort, even in the softest setting.
there also seems to be a consensus amongst the fanatics here that the agx's won't last all that long.
conversely, as you stated, people seem to think the koni's will stand up to the test of time...
i'm also hearing more and more people say they like the koni's
i got a rough price quote on the new (soon to be released) agx's for the GDA, 129.99 each; thats only like 10 bucks less per corner than what you paid for the koni's. and correct me if i'm wrong, but the koni's come with a lifetime warranty, right???
thanks for taking the time to wade through all my questions/thoughts, your help is greatly appreciated. Bennie
i may not wait for the agx's for a couple reasons:
as soon as the perrin springs are out, i wanna get em and put them on with some new struts, dont want to have to take em out later for new struts, besides the multiple alignment hassles.
i've read multiple times that the agx's ride too stiff for comfort, even in the softest setting.
there also seems to be a consensus amongst the fanatics here that the agx's won't last all that long.
conversely, as you stated, people seem to think the koni's will stand up to the test of time...
i'm also hearing more and more people say they like the koni's
i got a rough price quote on the new (soon to be released) agx's for the GDA, 129.99 each; thats only like 10 bucks less per corner than what you paid for the koni's. and correct me if i'm wrong, but the koni's come with a lifetime warranty, right???
thanks for taking the time to wade through all my questions/thoughts, your help is greatly appreciated. Bennie
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Hi,
I just got my Konis and have not installed them yet. I should have them in before my next AutoX on 7/13, then I can post my impressions.
I'm going to put in a set of Ground Control springs to go with these. Ground control set up includes Eibach race springs and a threaded collar that goes around the stock strut housing to allow for ride height adjustment. you can also choose whatever spring rates and lenghts you prefer.
The reason I chose this over Prodrive or Eibach is because I don't think those are stiff enough to be a good autoX spring .Certainly better than stock but not the best option.
At the same time I need to keep a decent ride since this is a street car and daily driven. That's why the Konis are so valuable. They can absorb small sharp bumps like tar strips, etc. yet they still control body motions very well over dips, cornering, etc.
Since the Konis adjustment does not affect compression dampening, you will always have the ability to soak up quick sharp hits even if you stiffen up the rebound dampening.
I've had Konis on a previous car and I liked them. I would say they are a superior shock to KYB ........ no matter where they're made
Gonz.
I just got my Konis and have not installed them yet. I should have them in before my next AutoX on 7/13, then I can post my impressions.
I'm going to put in a set of Ground Control springs to go with these. Ground control set up includes Eibach race springs and a threaded collar that goes around the stock strut housing to allow for ride height adjustment. you can also choose whatever spring rates and lenghts you prefer.
The reason I chose this over Prodrive or Eibach is because I don't think those are stiff enough to be a good autoX spring .Certainly better than stock but not the best option.
At the same time I need to keep a decent ride since this is a street car and daily driven. That's why the Konis are so valuable. They can absorb small sharp bumps like tar strips, etc. yet they still control body motions very well over dips, cornering, etc.
Since the Konis adjustment does not affect compression dampening, you will always have the ability to soak up quick sharp hits even if you stiffen up the rebound dampening.
I've had Konis on a previous car and I liked them. I would say they are a superior shock to KYB ........ no matter where they're made

Gonz.
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huh?
maybe i don't understand you quite right, but do the koni yellows not have adjustable compression dampening? maybe i am uninformed, but isn't that at least the minimum necessary as far as adjustability goes? i do understand that rebound adjustability is nice, but i think i'd rather be able to adjust the compression. And do they come with a lifetime warranty? unless i go with coilovers, i'm pretty set on the new perrin springs (made by H&R, same rates, just different drop levels, evens the car out more) can't wait to get something though, whatever it is.
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Originally posted by Steppin Razor
the idea of putting a german shock on a japanese car just doesn't sound right.
the idea of putting a german shock on a japanese car just doesn't sound right.
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Originally posted by teiva-boy
Well explain that to the dozens of people that already do this.
Well explain that to the dozens of people that already do this.
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Originally posted by teiva-boy
Well explain that to the dozens of people that already do this.
Well explain that to the dozens of people that already do this.
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you apparently have and like the koni's yellows then, eh... do i really have to cut up my stock strut housings? and tell me about the adjustability. And what kind of warranty do they give?
On the Koni website it described the adjustability as being able to adjust for personal driving style and different road conditions.
this was on tirerack.com's website:
Adjustable
KONI shock absorbers are adjustable, which means that drivers can influence the behavior of their vehicle to meet their preferences for ride comfort and handling balance. This feature also allows the driver to adjust the shock absorber's dampening to compensate for wear which occurs over tens of thousands of miles.
I've never before seen a strut or shock manufacturer state that the adjustability of their dampener can be used to compensate for the wearing out of the unit??? please shed some light on this for me fella? thanks
On the Koni website it described the adjustability as being able to adjust for personal driving style and different road conditions.
this was on tirerack.com's website:
Adjustable
KONI shock absorbers are adjustable, which means that drivers can influence the behavior of their vehicle to meet their preferences for ride comfort and handling balance. This feature also allows the driver to adjust the shock absorber's dampening to compensate for wear which occurs over tens of thousands of miles.
I've never before seen a strut or shock manufacturer state that the adjustability of their dampener can be used to compensate for the wearing out of the unit??? please shed some light on this for me fella? thanks
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Actually Madrex, I have Prodrive/Bilstein World Rally suspension on my GM6. I have heard positives about the Koni Yellows from guys with non-Subarus, but I haven't heard if they are ready yet for the WRX. The only ones I have sen in person were custom double-adjustables on a WRX in Reno last month.
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I just took the Konis out of the box. They're made in Holland
Yes, I believe they have a million mile warranty. I can verify later.
Yes, you have to cut the stock housings to put in the Konis. A tubing cutter will work for this. Then you have to dril a hole in the bottom of the factory strut so that you can bolt in the insert. That's basically the extend of the "chopping up" of the factory housing. It's not for everyone, but if you are somewhat inclined to doing things yourself, it won't be too bad.
Only the rebound is adjustable. The compression is pre set at the factory and depends on the speed of the impact, I believe. Only if you use spring rates above 400 lb/inch would this be a problem.
There are numerous reviews of the Konis on the other big Impreza web site. They get rave reviews. The only downside that turns some people off is the installation process.
There is also a place to get the Konis for about $60 less than the place you mentioned.
Gonz.
Yes, I believe they have a million mile warranty. I can verify later.
Yes, you have to cut the stock housings to put in the Konis. A tubing cutter will work for this. Then you have to dril a hole in the bottom of the factory strut so that you can bolt in the insert. That's basically the extend of the "chopping up" of the factory housing. It's not for everyone, but if you are somewhat inclined to doing things yourself, it won't be too bad.
Only the rebound is adjustable. The compression is pre set at the factory and depends on the speed of the impact, I believe. Only if you use spring rates above 400 lb/inch would this be a problem.
There are numerous reviews of the Konis on the other big Impreza web site. They get rave reviews. The only downside that turns some people off is the installation process.
There is also a place to get the Konis for about $60 less than the place you mentioned.
Gonz.


