Brake Failure -- Dealer to Blame?
11-11-2008, 07:20 AM
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That's a good point. When the rotors get that hot, the heat transfers by conduction to any nearby components. The wheel bearing grease could have failed when the operating temperature was exceeded.
Anything damaged can be repaired or replaced by the dealer or another shop. Use only quality Subaru parts for things like bearings.
Anything damaged can be repaired or replaced by the dealer or another shop. Use only quality Subaru parts for things like bearings.
11-11-2008, 10:55 AM
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So here's the update. The dealer in question is Steven's Creek Subaru in San Jose. I'm only naming them now because I wanted to give them a chance to make it right. They have not.
I'm outraged. Yesterday I had the car flatbedded from my house down to them. They called this morning totally disavowing any responsibility for the brake problem. They said that when they went to inspect the car, there was no clamp on the brake line and that they don't use clamps like the ones they had seen in my photos I emailed to them. They are refusing to pay for any of it. They claim either I did this to my car or someone sabotaged my vehicle.
Are you kidding me?
That clamp has been stuck on there since the day I picked it from their shop when they did the rear brakes. For it to all of a sudden "fall off" or disappear en route on the tow truck is absolutely impossible.
They want me to believe that I sabotaged my own car? What?! They want me to believe my car was sabotaged by someone else?! What a load of crap. The car has been sitting in my garage nearly the whole time I've owned it (a few months).
They are clearly trying to weasel their way out of paying for damage caused by their own incompetence and negligence. I'm trying to get Subaru of America involved, but this is an outrage.
Do not go to Steven's Creek Subaru in San Jose.
If anyone has any suggestions of other methods of recourse, please let me know. This is unconscionable.
Jonathan
I'm outraged. Yesterday I had the car flatbedded from my house down to them. They called this morning totally disavowing any responsibility for the brake problem. They said that when they went to inspect the car, there was no clamp on the brake line and that they don't use clamps like the ones they had seen in my photos I emailed to them. They are refusing to pay for any of it. They claim either I did this to my car or someone sabotaged my vehicle.
Are you kidding me?
That clamp has been stuck on there since the day I picked it from their shop when they did the rear brakes. For it to all of a sudden "fall off" or disappear en route on the tow truck is absolutely impossible.
They want me to believe that I sabotaged my own car? What?! They want me to believe my car was sabotaged by someone else?! What a load of crap. The car has been sitting in my garage nearly the whole time I've owned it (a few months).
They are clearly trying to weasel their way out of paying for damage caused by their own incompetence and negligence. I'm trying to get Subaru of America involved, but this is an outrage.
Do not go to Steven's Creek Subaru in San Jose.
If anyone has any suggestions of other methods of recourse, please let me know. This is unconscionable.
Jonathan
11-11-2008, 11:12 AM
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Thats ridiculous man. Bad business if you ask me. If and when its time for a new suby, I definitely wont be looking at Steven's Creek in San Jose for my next purchase. The damage caused to your car could have caused a serious injury. They should be happy that no one was hurt, and should make things right by fixing your brakes, and apologizing for the inconvenience.
11-11-2008, 01:36 PM
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So here's the update. The dealer in question is Steven's Creek Subaru in San Jose. I'm only naming them now because I wanted to give them a chance to make it right. They have not.
I'm outraged. Yesterday I had the car flatbedded from my house down to them. They called this morning totally disavowing any responsibility for the brake problem. They said that when they went to inspect the car, there was no clamp on the brake line and that they don't use clamps like the ones they had seen in my photos I emailed to them. They are refusing to pay for any of it. They claim either I did this to my car or someone sabotaged my vehicle.
Are you kidding me?
That clamp has been stuck on there since the day I picked it from their shop when they did the rear brakes. For it to all of a sudden "fall off" or disappear en route on the tow truck is absolutely impossible.
They want me to believe that I sabotaged my own car? What?! They want me to believe my car was sabotaged by someone else?! What a load of crap. The car has been sitting in my garage nearly the whole time I've owned it (a few months).
They are clearly trying to weasel their way out of paying for damage caused by their own incompetence and negligence. I'm trying to get Subaru of America involved, but this is an outrage.
Do not go to Steven's Creek Subaru in San Jose.
If anyone has any suggestions of other methods of recourse, please let me know. This is unconscionable.
Jonathan
I'm outraged. Yesterday I had the car flatbedded from my house down to them. They called this morning totally disavowing any responsibility for the brake problem. They said that when they went to inspect the car, there was no clamp on the brake line and that they don't use clamps like the ones they had seen in my photos I emailed to them. They are refusing to pay for any of it. They claim either I did this to my car or someone sabotaged my vehicle.
Are you kidding me?
That clamp has been stuck on there since the day I picked it from their shop when they did the rear brakes. For it to all of a sudden "fall off" or disappear en route on the tow truck is absolutely impossible.
They want me to believe that I sabotaged my own car? What?! They want me to believe my car was sabotaged by someone else?! What a load of crap. The car has been sitting in my garage nearly the whole time I've owned it (a few months).
They are clearly trying to weasel their way out of paying for damage caused by their own incompetence and negligence. I'm trying to get Subaru of America involved, but this is an outrage.
Do not go to Steven's Creek Subaru in San Jose.
If anyone has any suggestions of other methods of recourse, please let me know. This is unconscionable.
Jonathan
11-13-2008, 10:45 AM
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Wwwooowww...That's pretty bad. Just like the most of the folk here, I never seen such a bad brake failure...
Also, regarding the dealer, that is why I have always accompanied the car to any shop regardless of the problem or potential fault. I want to avoid any unfortunate dishonesty because I had similar experiences in the past when it came to confronting the party who did the work. Good luck figuring everything out!
I say just give them one more shot at resolving this, document in detail everything, get the the Better Business Bureau, Bureau of Auto Repair involved and take them to small claims court.
Also, regarding the dealer, that is why I have always accompanied the car to any shop regardless of the problem or potential fault. I want to avoid any unfortunate dishonesty because I had similar experiences in the past when it came to confronting the party who did the work. Good luck figuring everything out!
I say just give them one more shot at resolving this, document in detail everything, get the the Better Business Bureau, Bureau of Auto Repair involved and take them to small claims court.
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11-13-2008, 10:54 AM
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Why would they put the clamp on the line?
What type of brake work did they do?
What does the RO say on it?
How many miles did you put on the car after picking it up & when the failure occurred?
What type of brake work did they do?
What does the RO say on it?
How many miles did you put on the car after picking it up & when the failure occurred?
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11-13-2008, 12:49 PM
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like was said i would contact BAR and possibily corportate subaru. I use to work at acura and when stuff didnt go right for the customer they would contact someone higher up that isnt involved in the dealership, and most likely they got what they wanted from what i could tell.
11-13-2008, 01:27 PM
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if they took the caliper hose off to push the piston in to put new pads on its easier
they clapmed the line so the fluid doesnt fall on the ground?
granted this is a guess i have never done it that way
what does the subaru service PDF thign say?
11-13-2008, 02:36 PM
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this is a total guess shot in the dark
if they took the caliper hose off to push the piston in to put new pads on its easier
they clapmed the line so the fluid doesnt fall on the ground?
granted this is a guess i have never done it that way
what does the subaru service PDF thign say?
if they took the caliper hose off to push the piston in to put new pads on its easier
they clapmed the line so the fluid doesnt fall on the ground?
granted this is a guess i have never done it that way
what does the subaru service PDF thign say?
Also, when you're pushing those pistons back in, it won't have anywhere for that fluid to go anyways so it'll just back up inside of the caliper and probably won't even allow the pistons to move. The only reason the fluid pushed past the clamp to get to the caliper in the first place is because of the amount of force the booster puts behind it.
There really is no reason a dealership technician should have put a clamp on it at all.
11-13-2008, 04:21 PM
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That would be an extremely stupid move on their part. Putting a clamp on that hose should only be done when you absolutely HAVE to, like when you're changing out a caliper or something.
Also, when you're pushing those pistons back in, it won't have anywhere for that fluid to go anyways so it'll just back up inside of the caliper and probably won't even allow the pistons to move. The only reason the fluid pushed past the clamp to get to the caliper in the first place is because of the amount of force the booster puts behind it.
There really is no reason a dealership technician should have put a clamp on it at all.
Also, when you're pushing those pistons back in, it won't have anywhere for that fluid to go anyways so it'll just back up inside of the caliper and probably won't even allow the pistons to move. The only reason the fluid pushed past the clamp to get to the caliper in the first place is because of the amount of force the booster puts behind it.
There really is no reason a dealership technician should have put a clamp on it at all.
11-22-2008, 08:57 PM
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I can see what happen now. Caliper banjo moved. When bleeding brakes. Forget to remove the clamp. Slowing fluid past that point. Draging the brake. As you drive the car using the brake some fuild is able to move past that point but not allot. Then once its full on that side of the line, The brake caliper begains to drag on the rotor. Once it drags it begains to over heat. Boiling the fluid and turning it to vapor. Causing even more pressure to build up locking the rear brake caliper.
Can anyone say brake horsepower... Looks like you make more then your brakes.. lol
Be glad it didnt start a major fire. Its not the 1st time I have seen that...
Stevens creek will not get anything from me unless they fix this problem. If they dont, I will never step foot in that place again.
With the economy this bad.. I wonder how many customers they can lose until they shut their doors.
Sucks as I'd drive down there to get parts on saturday. I have also test driven a few cars with them.. Looking to buy but now I will hold off.
Can anyone say brake horsepower... Looks like you make more then your brakes.. lol
Be glad it didnt start a major fire. Its not the 1st time I have seen that...
Stevens creek will not get anything from me unless they fix this problem. If they dont, I will never step foot in that place again.
With the economy this bad.. I wonder how many customers they can lose until they shut their doors.
Sucks as I'd drive down there to get parts on saturday. I have also test driven a few cars with them.. Looking to buy but now I will hold off.
11-23-2008, 02:40 AM
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Stevens creek will not get anything from me unless they fix this problem. If they dont, I will never step foot in that place again.
With the economy this bad.. I wonder how many customers they can lose until they shut their doors.
Sucks as I'd drive down there to get parts on saturday. I have also test driven a few cars with them.. Looking to buy but now I will hold off.
With the economy this bad.. I wonder how many customers they can lose until they shut their doors.
Sucks as I'd drive down there to get parts on saturday. I have also test driven a few cars with them.. Looking to buy but now I will hold off.