big brake kit
05-01-2003, 03:01 AM
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big brake kit
which big brake kit should i consider getting
1) stoptech which is $1695
2) wilwood big brake kit $1295
My question is.. is it worth it to spend the extra 400 dallors for the stoptech? they are both 6 piston. which is better in your opinion? thanks for the input
1) stoptech which is $1695
2) wilwood big brake kit $1295
My question is.. is it worth it to spend the extra 400 dallors for the stoptech? they are both 6 piston. which is better in your opinion? thanks for the input
05-01-2003, 01:30 PM
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Stopech's are not 6 piston. They are 4.
Once your caliper is opposed and the piston area is big enough to put sufficient pressure spread across on the pad, all more pistons offers is possibly sightly better pad wear.
Wilwood's front 6-piston kit is mostly designed to go with their 4-piston rear kit.
Stoptech's kit is designed for the stock rear brakes.
I've got Stoptechs and like them alot. Wilwoods have some good points as well, but the dust seal thing and some testimonies from a friend made me go with the Stoptechs.
Once your caliper is opposed and the piston area is big enough to put sufficient pressure spread across on the pad, all more pistons offers is possibly sightly better pad wear.
Wilwood's front 6-piston kit is mostly designed to go with their 4-piston rear kit.
Stoptech's kit is designed for the stock rear brakes.
I've got Stoptechs and like them alot. Wilwoods have some good points as well, but the dust seal thing and some testimonies from a friend made me go with the Stoptechs.
05-01-2003, 01:40 PM
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Danny if you did a little research you would have found that the stoptech system is highly regarded on this board.
However if you ever plan to run stock wheels again, your out of luck as the wheels wont fit.
But that is where the iON Performance kit comes in. Big brake kit, 4 piston, and you can use the stock wheels as well.
However if you ever plan to run stock wheels again, your out of luck as the wheels wont fit.
But that is where the iON Performance kit comes in. Big brake kit, 4 piston, and you can use the stock wheels as well.
05-01-2003, 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Zahnster
Stock: 290x25
Ion: 310x25
Stoptech: 328x28
Where do you get 32?
I made a mistake myself. 20mm difference. Stoptech is 38mm different in circumferance and 3mm in width.
Dan
Stock: 290x25
Ion: 310x25
Stoptech: 328x28
Where do you get 32?
I made a mistake myself. 20mm difference. Stoptech is 38mm different in circumferance and 3mm in width.
Dan
Stock 294x24mm
Ion 310x25mm +16mm
Stoptech 328x28 +34mm
(I had 326x30mm Brembo STi discs in my head)
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05-01-2003, 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Zahnster
I like how the Ion kit is considered a BBK for adding 10mm circumferance
I like how the Ion kit is considered a BBK for adding 10mm circumferance
I'm sorry for assuming that there is a certain number that a brake kit has to pass to call it a "BBK"
Point of the matter is the rotor is larger thus reducing fade over the stock system. On top of that it's a two peice rotor. The benefits are much much more then the measily 10mm you mention.
05-01-2003, 04:24 PM
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Just to clear some things up
Ok guys, our BBK was designed to meet certain criteria:
(1) Must fit stock 16x6.5" wheels
(2) Must maximize the size rotor that'll fit under the 16x6.5" wheels
(3) Decreasing unsprung weight.
(4) Increasing brake performance (ie: thermal capacity etc).
(5) DOT Compliant.
(6) Have an OE like operation. Ie: not requiring a rebuild every 3 months in extreme weather conditions like those in Canada.
The biggest differences between other BBK's out there are the following:
(1) Fully DOT complaint (dust seals, anti-rattle clips, OEM like maintence schedule)
(2) Least weight for the given parameters.
(3) Works with both the stock rears as well as our upcoming rear kit.
(4) Includes F&R lines as well as fluid for the whole system.
One huge advantage of our kit is that there's no need to upgrade your wheels. There are numerous #'s of tire compounds for the 16" wheel in 205/55/16, 225/50/16, 225/45/16. All of which will work. It's idea for those who need to have winter tires as well, or those who'd like to get sticky compound tires for auto-x or track events.
Also, stock rotors are 294mm x 24mm. (WRX)
277mm x 24mm are the stock sizes for the RS/GT/Forester etc.
(1) Must fit stock 16x6.5" wheels
(2) Must maximize the size rotor that'll fit under the 16x6.5" wheels
(3) Decreasing unsprung weight.
(4) Increasing brake performance (ie: thermal capacity etc).
(5) DOT Compliant.
(6) Have an OE like operation. Ie: not requiring a rebuild every 3 months in extreme weather conditions like those in Canada.
The biggest differences between other BBK's out there are the following:
(1) Fully DOT complaint (dust seals, anti-rattle clips, OEM like maintence schedule)
(2) Least weight for the given parameters.
(3) Works with both the stock rears as well as our upcoming rear kit.
(4) Includes F&R lines as well as fluid for the whole system.
One huge advantage of our kit is that there's no need to upgrade your wheels. There are numerous #'s of tire compounds for the 16" wheel in 205/55/16, 225/50/16, 225/45/16. All of which will work. It's idea for those who need to have winter tires as well, or those who'd like to get sticky compound tires for auto-x or track events.
Also, stock rotors are 294mm x 24mm. (WRX)
277mm x 24mm are the stock sizes for the RS/GT/Forester etc.
Last edited by iON Performance; 05-01-2003 at 04:31 PM.
05-01-2003, 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by teiva-boy
I'm sorry for assuming that there is a certain number that a brake kit has to pass to call it a "BBK"
Point of the matter is the rotor is larger thus reducing fade over the stock system. On top of that it's a two peice rotor. The benefits are much much more then the measily 10mm you mention.
I'm sorry for assuming that there is a certain number that a brake kit has to pass to call it a "BBK"
Point of the matter is the rotor is larger thus reducing fade over the stock system. On top of that it's a two peice rotor. The benefits are much much more then the measily 10mm you mention.
BBK stands for big brake kit which implies BIG, I guess. The iON kit isnt that much larger than stock, but it does fill a unique niche in that it is a significantly lighter 4pot caliper upgrade coupled with a larger rotor and fits under the stock wheels. It does however seem a little odd to me to spend $1600+ on a brake kit to maintain use of a $200 set of wheels.
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05-01-2003, 04:37 PM
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gqzboy - When you're looking @ purchasing a BBK, note that you're not just paying the difference between each kit.
Both of those kits you've mentioned requires 17" wheels, and not all 17" wheels will work.
Also, 17" rubber is required. So if you're in an area w/ snow parts of the year, you'll have to either pick-up an extra set of 17" wheels for winter w/ 17" rubber or swap back your stock brakes.
The Wilwood calipers don't have dust seals or anti-rattle clips. Hence if you're going to be using them on the street, rebuilds will be more frequent then the OE caliper under the same conditions.
Both of those kits you've mentioned requires 17" wheels, and not all 17" wheels will work.
Also, 17" rubber is required. So if you're in an area w/ snow parts of the year, you'll have to either pick-up an extra set of 17" wheels for winter w/ 17" rubber or swap back your stock brakes.
The Wilwood calipers don't have dust seals or anti-rattle clips. Hence if you're going to be using them on the street, rebuilds will be more frequent then the OE caliper under the same conditions.
Last edited by iON Performance; 05-14-2003 at 07:05 AM.
05-01-2003, 04:41 PM
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Kobayashi - the reason why you'd want to use your stock wheels is for either winter use, or for competition.
Sticky rubber is much cheaper in the 16" sizes.
Same with Winter tire compounds.
If the car is being used in the winter, you'd much rather destroy a cheap wheel then a more expensive 17" wheel.
Hence that's the logic behind our kit. It's for practical purposes.
Sticky rubber is much cheaper in the 16" sizes.
Same with Winter tire compounds.
If the car is being used in the winter, you'd much rather destroy a cheap wheel then a more expensive 17" wheel.
Hence that's the logic behind our kit. It's for practical purposes.
05-01-2003, 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by iON Performance
Kobayashi - the reason why you'd want to use your stock wheels is for either winter use, or for competition.
Sticky rubber is much cheaper in the 16" sizes.
Same with Winter tire compounds.
If the car is being used in the winter, you'd much rather destroy a cheap wheel then a more expensive 17" wheel.
Hence that's the logic behind our kit. It's for practical purposes.
Kobayashi - the reason why you'd want to use your stock wheels is for either winter use, or for competition.
Sticky rubber is much cheaper in the 16" sizes.
Same with Winter tire compounds.
If the car is being used in the winter, you'd much rather destroy a cheap wheel then a more expensive 17" wheel.
Hence that's the logic behind our kit. It's for practical purposes.
I never get snow where I live so I guess I lack that perspective. And interms of comp wheels I would try to track down some RS wheels I guess. But it may not be possible to use the 16x7s in some classes.
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05-01-2003, 04:55 PM
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gqzboy - Our website is being redone right now w/ a new layout as well as our product catalogue is being completed. We've been extremely busy working on development for parts used in several cars that will be in the 10 Best of the Best in Europe.
Here's the link to the GB that's being held on the NASIOC:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=308160
We've committed to the 20person GB price mark, so the kits are $1625US shipped (Note shipping is anywhere within Continental North America, Hawaii and Alaska extra. Also for CC payments, only Paypal is used, and that's subject to a 5% charge)
Please check your PM & email's.
Kobayashi - Our goals were to allow the biggest bang for the buck, as it's not necessarily the initial purchase that'll be the most expensive with other options, it's the varible costs that will add up quickly.
Here's the link to the GB that's being held on the NASIOC:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=308160
We've committed to the 20person GB price mark, so the kits are $1625US shipped (Note shipping is anywhere within Continental North America, Hawaii and Alaska extra. Also for CC payments, only Paypal is used, and that's subject to a 5% charge)
Please check your PM & email's.
Kobayashi - Our goals were to allow the biggest bang for the buck, as it's not necessarily the initial purchase that'll be the most expensive with other options, it's the varible costs that will add up quickly.