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Question on the above... I have never slipped the clutch that high, I think the highest I have done it was at 2000rpm.. maybe a little lower... And I started going slowly, not dropping it like taking the your foot right off the clutch and then mashing the gas... Is that considered abuse? Another question that I have is when you are "normal" driving, and you take it up to say 4-5k rpms then shift into say 3rd... is that dumping the clutch? Or is only dumping the clutch from a stand still to first?
Little confused...
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-Nigel
Little confused...
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"Dumping the clutch" means revving the motor and letting the clutch out as fast as you can. 95% of the time, this is done at a standstill. There are a few nuts out there that will also do this while moving, usually to pop a wheelie on a motorcycle, get into a full power slide or smoke tires in a car.
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Originally posted by NewShockerGuy
Question on the above... I have never slipped the clutch that high, I think the highest I have done it was at 2000rpm.. maybe a little lower... And I started going slowly, not dropping it like taking the your foot right off the clutch and then mashing the gas... Is that considered abuse? Another question that I have is when you are "normal" driving, and you take it up to say 4-5k rpms then shift into say 3rd... is that dumping the clutch? Or is only dumping the clutch from a stand still to first?
Little confused...
Question on the above... I have never slipped the clutch that high, I think the highest I have done it was at 2000rpm.. maybe a little lower... And I started going slowly, not dropping it like taking the your foot right off the clutch and then mashing the gas... Is that considered abuse? Another question that I have is when you are "normal" driving, and you take it up to say 4-5k rpms then shift into say 3rd... is that dumping the clutch? Or is only dumping the clutch from a stand still to first?
Little confused...
dumping the clutch at any speed is abuse no matter how high rpms you do it at.
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Originally posted by RacerZ22
dumping the clutch at any speed is abuse no matter how high rpms you do it at.
dumping the clutch at any speed is abuse no matter how high rpms you do it at.
hmmmm......very confused now :-(
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Originally posted by NewShockerGuy
What is considered dumping the clutch...
What is considered dumping the clutch...
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Dumping the clutch is perfectly safe if you rpm-match while rolling and shifting. Hell, I don't always use the clutch when I shift. Usually between 1/2 and 1/4. For some reason 3/4 doesn't always work out very well so I use the clutch for that.
I've seen people talk about double-clutching their WRX's - Why? That's done for old cars without schynos I thought. No point in doing it in today's cars, right?
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I've seen people talk about double-clutching their WRX's - Why? That's done for old cars without schynos I thought. No point in doing it in today's cars, right?
-Wicked
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its the fact that its obvious the dealership tried to fix cheaply and just enough to last til the warranty ran out. Honestly Im not sure if ill ever buy a subaru again. My transmission has never been touched..... 400hp and 30,000 miles, race it every weekend. Same for his other one
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Originally posted by WickedSpeed
Dumping the clutch is perfectly safe if you rpm-match while rolling and shifting. Hell, I don't always use the clutch when I shift. Usually between 1/2 and 1/4. For some reason 3/4 doesn't always work out very well so I use the clutch for that.
I've seen people talk about double-clutching their WRX's - Why? That's done for old cars without schynos I thought. No point in doing it in today's cars, right?
-Wicked
Dumping the clutch is perfectly safe if you rpm-match while rolling and shifting. Hell, I don't always use the clutch when I shift. Usually between 1/2 and 1/4. For some reason 3/4 doesn't always work out very well so I use the clutch for that.
I've seen people talk about double-clutching their WRX's - Why? That's done for old cars without schynos I thought. No point in doing it in today's cars, right?
-Wicked
This is the last thing you need to know but I will explain. Double clutching is done to try and accelerate more quickly. Basically, when you are accelerating you push the clutch in and out very quickly to jump up the RPM's before it goes back into gear. This is very very bad for the clutch and would probably be the same thing as dumping.
Originally posted by subaruhacker
Double clutching is done to try and accelerate more quickly. Basically, when you are accelerating you push the clutch in and out very quickly to jump up the RPM's before it goes back into gear. This is very very bad for the clutch and would probably be the same thing as dumping.
Double clutching is done to try and accelerate more quickly. Basically, when you are accelerating you push the clutch in and out very quickly to jump up the RPM's before it goes back into gear. This is very very bad for the clutch and would probably be the same thing as dumping.
double clutching's sole purpose is to either a) prolong synchronizer life or b) properly shift a transmission that has no synchronizers.
it has nothing to do with accelerating more quickly.
what is occuring is that while the gearshift is in neutral, the clutch is let out, and the throttle blipped. this spins the input shaft and the lay-shaft of the transmission up to speed. when the shift into the new gear is attempted there will be no speed differential between the gears and they will slip right in... synchros, worn synchros, or no synchros!
properly used, a clutch should only slip during a start from a standstill, or similar very low speed situations. with the right technique, other than the start from stop it can be used as an "on/off" engagement with NO additional stress on any components. some might consider this dumping, since the clutch is technically engaged and disengaged as quickly as possible, but if done right it is completely smooth and does no damage (and your clutch will last forever).
me, i'm not that good, so i slip the 1-2 shift a tiny bit to avoid a jerk.

certainly dumping or sidestepping a clutch from a standstill is ALWAYS a bad idea.
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Originally posted by subaruhacker
I guess people have different terms for the same thing. That is what has always been called in my small group of freinds. Obviously, we don't know everything about cars.
I guess people have different terms for the same thing. That is what has always been called in my small group of freinds. Obviously, we don't know everything about cars.
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Originally posted by sampson
How do you shift without using the clutch?
How do you shift without using the clutch?
if you want to practice. if your in second gear coming to a light put it in nutural and rev the rpm's and lightly push the shifter into the first gear slot until the rpms are right and it will slide into first gear. it might be easier to do it from third to second. you should be able to do this to upshift or downshift. i could in my 240sx
i hope that this made sence.
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Double-clutching is universally defined as pushing in the clutch and letting it out TWICE per shift. I still do not see a valid reason to do this in a WRX or any modern day car as there are synchros in there that take care of lining things up properly from the get-go.
Downshifting without a clutch-
Let's say your motor is at 2,000 rpms and you want to go down one gear. You back off of the gas, shift the car out of gear and touch the gas enough to bring it up to... say, 3,000 rpms and shift it into the next lower gear. If 3,000 rpms was the correct motor speed for the next lower gear at the speed you were going on, it will pop right into that gear with no lurching, noise or grinding. Butter!:banana:
Upshifting without a clutch-
Same car, same gearing, same speed.
Motor's turning 3000 rpms and you want to upshift.
You shift the car out of gear.
you take your feet off of the gas, let the rev's drop to 2,000 rpms
Then you pop it into the next gear.
Like butter! :banana:
Every car is different, gearings are different, this takes serious skills. Not for the every day driver, I no longer do it these days because I'm not as well attuned to my cars anymore. Easier to just be lazy and use the clutch. Go ride with a real good driver and watch him or her shift. You'll be amazed.
-Wicked
Downshifting without a clutch-
Let's say your motor is at 2,000 rpms and you want to go down one gear. You back off of the gas, shift the car out of gear and touch the gas enough to bring it up to... say, 3,000 rpms and shift it into the next lower gear. If 3,000 rpms was the correct motor speed for the next lower gear at the speed you were going on, it will pop right into that gear with no lurching, noise or grinding. Butter!:banana:
Upshifting without a clutch-
Same car, same gearing, same speed.
Motor's turning 3000 rpms and you want to upshift.
You shift the car out of gear.
you take your feet off of the gas, let the rev's drop to 2,000 rpms
Then you pop it into the next gear.
Like butter! :banana:
Every car is different, gearings are different, this takes serious skills. Not for the every day driver, I no longer do it these days because I'm not as well attuned to my cars anymore. Easier to just be lazy and use the clutch. Go ride with a real good driver and watch him or her shift. You'll be amazed.
-Wicked
Originally posted by WickedSpeed
Double-clutching is universally defined as pushing in the clutch and letting it out TWICE per shift. I still do not see a valid reason to do this in a WRX or any modern day car as there are synchros in there that take care of lining things up properly from the get-go.
Double-clutching is universally defined as pushing in the clutch and letting it out TWICE per shift. I still do not see a valid reason to do this in a WRX or any modern day car as there are synchros in there that take care of lining things up properly from the get-go.
also, clutchless shifting with anything less than perfect accuracy will eat up synchros in a hurry.
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