FYI..........

0-60 mph = 4.8
1/4 mile = 13.5
skidpad Gs = 0.93 (Evo = 0.91)

Other interesting tidbits too.......

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=351834

 

Evo = .97

 

These are FHI figures.
The numbers will get _better_ once the reviews (C&D) are out.

EVO's reign is/was short lived.
King of like when Riddick Bowe knocked out Tyson.

Mitsubishi, hurry up and get your Wheatie's box pics while you can...

- Janq

 

if you do your research, you'll know that the evo's 1/4 is faster than the us sti, going by subarus claim of 13.5. on evolutionm.net, one guy has already clocked a 13.1 on his stock evo, and all but guarantees he can pull off a 12 sec run if he had to.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...highlight=13.1

just because you guys have a bigger engine doesn't qualify it as a better one. the evo still has a twin scroll turbo and fmic, both of which the sti lacks.

 

Boy oh boy are you talking through your ***..

13.5 is Subaru's figure, people will and have run faster... which if you'd done YOUR RESEARCH you'd know..

...and I really wish people would stop quoting 13.1 for a stock Evo quarter mile, that's just plain wrong. If you're going to round it to one decimal point then say 13.2 buddy, the guy ran 13.185 not 13.1, and that's just one guy (who's probably a very good driver)... most have been running 13.5 or slower stock.

..and no way is an Evo gonna run in the 12s stock, you're kidding yourself, unless it's running race gas, with the rear seat stripped out and being driven by a 50lb midget..

..and I'm not dissing the Evo, I think it's a wonderful car, I'm just dissing you.

 

You mean Buster Duglas

 

If you read the paperwork they scaned it says that testing was done by "FHI Testing" and the rest by "Car & Driver". My Question is Who is "FHI Testing", and will "Car & Driver" do better or worse.

 

Poor dude. He calls "doing your research" looking at a single forum. First of all, the Subaru numbers don't mean sqwat. The cars are the ~same~ weight and the Evo has 29 less spec'd horsepower. Twin scroll is hardly a "lacking" feature of the STi when it comes to 1/4 mile racing. Twin scroll is all about getting power in the lower rpms. When you drag, you start at high rpm, so it doesn't matter. For low rpm, Subaru tossed in 25% more displacement. That's the method I prefer anyway. Now, when I go to a slightly bigger turbo, I will still have the low end torque thanks to the AVC and extra displacement. Evo guys replacing the twinscroll with a larger single scroll will get extra top end, but will have to sacrifice their low end for it.

And as for that 13.2 (a.k.a. 13.185) run, that was a one-timer. It's also rumored that the guy was using an AFC. I saw one 13.3 sec run reported. All others were 13.4 and up.

Am I Subie-bias? Not in the least. I've yet to repeat a brand (5 so far) in car purchase until this year. I simply call it like I see it. If I thought the Evo was better for my needs, I can go get one tomorrow for $1500 under MSRP. The handling is awesome, and low end is killer. I drove one. I actually doubt the STi will handle as well, but it will handle very very well. Which is good enough for me. And I know what to expect from the power potential of the STi.

 

Yep..Doh!

I was watching HBO's short history vignetee on Bowe vs. Holyfield while typing this up.

doh! doh!

Thanks,

- Janq

 

FHI = Fuji Heavy Industries aka Subaru parent company
The same as GM = General Motors which provides initial Corvette test numbers.

As for 'Cary', let him keep believing in fairy tales and breathing his own vapors. It'll help take the sting off his rosy red cheeks when his oh so precious E V O gets smacked & chin checked then shown the HID's of a flash & pass STi.

The numbers quoted are from the factory Mr. Dewey Decimal.
Do _your_ research and you would have noted the asterisk ('*') at the bottom of numbers pages indicating the STi numbers are from FHI (worst case scenario & most conservative) and all the others are from Car & Driver (best case & true as well as repeatable). Once C&D gets their hands on an STi the numbers for 0-60 as well as 1/4 and possibly braking are sure to drop like the Dow Jones Industrials. Don't believe me though, just you watch and see...and cry while trying not to look, at the tailights in your eyes.

As for these EVO numbers you so readily spout off.
Everyone has heard these 'rumors' for months but the truth is, if you do your homework you would know that the fastest 1/4 time of 13.1 was a one-off. It has not been repeatable by anyone much less any real automotive/industry journal. Further following most accepted and _scientific_ testing practice is that the high number and low number are typically thrown out unless they are I repeat _repeatable_. Not only is this done with automboies but with testing toward speed of nearly everything witht he notable of exception of military equipment review prior to sale to Congress for funding. Then things mysteriously slow down and are 7/10ths of what was originally marketed. But I digress...

This 13.1 is just shy of an urban legend as no time slip/irrefutable PROOF has surfaced...only talk about my friends cousins neigbors sisters boyfriends mom's dad's best friend from work son saw someone did it type stuff. Yeah well guess what, my wife turns 11's in our stock Honda Pilot (V6 w/240 HP!), only she keeps throwing away the time sheets with the receipt from her grocery store runs. Darn!
And even if the time slip has suddenly surfaced I still wouldn't believe it on two counts. A any high school graphics art student can photochop a time slip pic into saying anything. Further, even if it was "true" it wasn't done by a non-interest third party with 30+ years of review expereince. No it was done by Johnny Octane that claims to be super fast inhis local/regional area. Greta for him and I hope he gets lots of chicks in the process.
But in the real world of numbers & reviews his one-off don't mean squirrel dick.

As for running twelves. Yeah right, sure...with a bigger turbo, NOS, reduced weight and some other _non-stock_ & non-factory_ modicifations attached.
Please dude, we're talking stock numbers here...not with all manner of McGyver style back yard 'Monster Garage' mods.
Anybody ccan get anything from a Pinto to a Space Shuttle to turn any numbers you wnat with the right mods (like a Polaris missle strapped to it's side) and enough time and cash...and zip ties to hold everything together. Just hope some foam doesn't break off mid way down the track and hit you in the firewall or you'll be toast.
I don't even want to talk about modded cars. You might as well fashion a fiberglass EVO body on to a top fuel dragster and say it now does 3's!

Come on guy, get real and get a grip. Don't deny what is known as truth. Subaru owns and Mistu should have stayed home.
Yeah, ok. The EVO VII- I was athe big dog in town in Japan (an island!) and AUS (another island), and the UK too (yet a third island!). But being a big fish in a small pond doesn't make you Shaquille O'Neil. It just makes you a Spud Webb with a nice jumper but can't hang with the big boys under the boards.

Warning: Godzilla STi has awoken from his nap and he's come to kick some EVO Mothra butt, for picking a fight with his son Godzuki WRX. Look out Little Tokyo, the big mean and blue machine is back. His breath smells of brimstone and tire smoke and their ain't enough Scope in town to take the edge off that!

- Janq

"...There's gonna be some furniture movin' round up in here!" - Bernie Mac

 

Some great technical info here from official SOA sources......scanned-in images describing the AVCS, turbo, transmission etc. and showing the toque curve for the USDM STi vs WRX vs 2.5 RS

http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnuk...01342509d85085

 

Hi MTMS4

Your link isn't working out, try this one instead.

The info posted there hit the net hard yesterday evening and has been the buzz of the moment.
Its sourced from a gorup of new owners locatesd in HI.

Thanks though!

- Janq

 

Sorry............I was actually surfing on NASIOC and simply copied and pasted a thread which had been posted there.....should have used the "preview" before posting here.

I've edited my original thread above and pasted-in your link......everything seems to be working OK now.

 

that 13.18 Evo was running 93/4 octane right?

and there are so many factors involved in a 1/4 mile


when it come down to bragging rights.. it's power/weight that really counts.

and we all know whos on top