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This test is flawed, it's been beaten to death...
V1 is tops, plus they do constant upgrades for minimum fees..
V1 is tops, plus they do constant upgrades for minimum fees..
Originally posted by danwink
Ok, I don't want to start a radar detector sub-war on this post, but the Valentine is not the best radat detector on the market. I also fell victim to the advertising and magazine tests with the Valentine, then I was referred to a very informative website: http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=10
Here is an excerpt:
"The Trust Issue: Other Sources
Okay, but what about magazines that test detectors? They do of course, accept advertising dollars from the manufacturers. Are they impartial? Perhaps, but not necessarily. The world's largest auto enthusiast magazine, for example, employs a senior editor who, during much of his 30-year tenure there, has been on the payroll of one of the manufacturers. At the same time that he's been either personally conducting or heavily influencing the magazine's detector tests, he's also been writing puff pieces about his second employer, promoting their products in print and moonlighting as a technical writer and "consultant" for them. He's also conducted intelligence-gathering projects on behalf of this manufacturer, using his stature at the magazine and often assisted by the magazine's staff to gather dirt on journalists who don't find his employer's detector quite as wonderful as he does.
Perhaps it's only coincidental, but this particular manufacturer has won every high-end test the magazine has conducted during those years, a feat unmatched in the history of consumer electronics. That success may also be partly due to the way the magazine stacks the deck. When conducting comparison tests of vehicles, they adhere to rigid price guidelines; if a potential contender exceeds the upper dollar limit by a percentage point or two, it doesn't make the cut. But in their detector tests, the favored $400 model is routinely pitted against competitors costing far less--many street-priced below $150--the ethical equivalent of asking a Mazda Miata to square off against a Porsche Turbo. This same magazine was pilloried by the Wall Street Journal some years back for its staffers' incestuous relationship with other manufacturers. Although they swear they've cleaned up their act, apparently the reforms have been somewhat less than comprehensive.
Bottom line: before mindlessly accepting as gospel whatever you read, in print or on the 'Net, ask some questions about those who generated the words. Not all will stand up to scrutiny."
I sold my Valentine after buying a Passport 8500 from Best Buy and I can tell you that the 8500 destroys the V1, particularly with KA band- which is the most common radar frequency in my area anyway. The Valentine does have a significant advantage with x band, so you will get a much stronger range with bank alarms
Anyway, just my (and many others) opinion, do your own research and make up your own mind on the issue.
http://www.radartest.com is a good site and seemed to have lots of information.
Bel makes a great unit for less money than both the V1 and 8500, here is their review of the 4 best detectors. http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=1064
Ok, I don't want to start a radar detector sub-war on this post, but the Valentine is not the best radat detector on the market. I also fell victim to the advertising and magazine tests with the Valentine, then I was referred to a very informative website: http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleID=10
Here is an excerpt:
"The Trust Issue: Other Sources
Okay, but what about magazines that test detectors? They do of course, accept advertising dollars from the manufacturers. Are they impartial? Perhaps, but not necessarily. The world's largest auto enthusiast magazine, for example, employs a senior editor who, during much of his 30-year tenure there, has been on the payroll of one of the manufacturers. At the same time that he's been either personally conducting or heavily influencing the magazine's detector tests, he's also been writing puff pieces about his second employer, promoting their products in print and moonlighting as a technical writer and "consultant" for them. He's also conducted intelligence-gathering projects on behalf of this manufacturer, using his stature at the magazine and often assisted by the magazine's staff to gather dirt on journalists who don't find his employer's detector quite as wonderful as he does.
Perhaps it's only coincidental, but this particular manufacturer has won every high-end test the magazine has conducted during those years, a feat unmatched in the history of consumer electronics. That success may also be partly due to the way the magazine stacks the deck. When conducting comparison tests of vehicles, they adhere to rigid price guidelines; if a potential contender exceeds the upper dollar limit by a percentage point or two, it doesn't make the cut. But in their detector tests, the favored $400 model is routinely pitted against competitors costing far less--many street-priced below $150--the ethical equivalent of asking a Mazda Miata to square off against a Porsche Turbo. This same magazine was pilloried by the Wall Street Journal some years back for its staffers' incestuous relationship with other manufacturers. Although they swear they've cleaned up their act, apparently the reforms have been somewhat less than comprehensive.
Bottom line: before mindlessly accepting as gospel whatever you read, in print or on the 'Net, ask some questions about those who generated the words. Not all will stand up to scrutiny."
I sold my Valentine after buying a Passport 8500 from Best Buy and I can tell you that the 8500 destroys the V1, particularly with KA band- which is the most common radar frequency in my area anyway. The Valentine does have a significant advantage with x band, so you will get a much stronger range with bank alarms
Anyway, just my (and many others) opinion, do your own research and make up your own mind on the issue.
http://www.radartest.com is a good site and seemed to have lots of information.
Bel makes a great unit for less money than both the V1 and 8500, here is their review of the 4 best detectors. http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=1064
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Originally posted by T. Hammonds
I don't think the issue is, does the car hold its value, but is it right for a dealer to charge more that the MSRP. Who pays MSRP anyways, for ANYTHING! I don't! You buy a watch, you don't pay MSRP(retail) you buy a computer you don't pay MSRP (retail), you buy clothes do you pay MSRP(retail), ($60.00 for a white dress shirt, come-on get real!) To pay MSRP for the STI is bad enough, but over MSRP the is just dealer GREED!
I don't think the issue is, does the car hold its value, but is it right for a dealer to charge more that the MSRP. Who pays MSRP anyways, for ANYTHING! I don't! You buy a watch, you don't pay MSRP(retail) you buy a computer you don't pay MSRP (retail), you buy clothes do you pay MSRP(retail), ($60.00 for a white dress shirt, come-on get real!) To pay MSRP for the STI is bad enough, but over MSRP the is just dealer GREED!
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Supply & Demand. Simple economics.
3500 this year. & yes there probably will be a higher allocation next year.
If you want it now you sometimes pay for it. Most manufacturers have a hot car every year & some pay MSRP or more for the exclusivity, the first one on the block mentality or just because they can afford it.
That is why "Limited Edition" anything sells....whether it is a watch, a car or a 1 out of 5 Michael Jordan basketball card.....
Just a thought
3500 this year. & yes there probably will be a higher allocation next year.
If you want it now you sometimes pay for it. Most manufacturers have a hot car every year & some pay MSRP or more for the exclusivity, the first one on the block mentality or just because they can afford it.
That is why "Limited Edition" anything sells....whether it is a watch, a car or a 1 out of 5 Michael Jordan basketball card.....
Just a thought
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One could fly first class to another state and buy an STi for MSRP or less, stay in nice fancy hotels on the road trip home, and pay less than $5k over. Why not do that? Heck, you could even take a train ride out and pay less. I plan to buy mine this December as a Christmas present to myself. "Dashing through the snow...."
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Sometimes you do pay mark up for a watch if you do not want to wait; for example, a stainless steel Rolex Daytona (2-4K more than MSRP). It's just supply and demand. I am waiting on my STI also and patience is the name of the game. Think about how to use the markup that I'll save and it will make me feel better.
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