stock ecu vs. s-squared tune
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Originally Posted by nKoan
Just out of curiousity, and please forgive my ignorance, but the "Knock Signal 1" column on both .csv files you posted are filled with zeroes. Does that typically mean that no knock was detected or is it only more serious knock issues that are incremented in that field.
Not trying to flame here, I'm just trying to understand what I'm reading here.
Not trying to flame here, I'm just trying to understand what I'm reading here.
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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
Mike, I'm opening it back up, because Ed and Keegan need to be allowed to respond to this thread. Closing the thread doesn't resolve anything either.
I'll leave the thread open, but I hope folks will let this drop as it is making all parties involved (especially the ones that shouldn't be) look bad.
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Info from StevenDone of EcuTek:
As the revs rise, the knock sensor switches off at 6200 RPM on a US WRX, then back on again at 6100 RPM as the revs fall. So the sensor is active at 6000 RPM.
http://forum.ecutek.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=47
As the revs rise, the knock sensor switches off at 6200 RPM on a US WRX, then back on again at 6100 RPM as the revs fall. So the sensor is active at 6000 RPM.
http://forum.ecutek.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=47
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Originally Posted by Killian Maynard
quit bogarting my popcorn, and grab me a coke too
(killian doesnt know that i shook the coke before i gave it to him)
*Coke explodes in Killians lap as he is opening it, drenching him and his computer*
(sorry Killian, i ment to tell you)
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Originally Posted by Killian Maynard
*moves on to a pint of ben and jerry's*
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Originally Posted by Nate@S-S
Ed, just let it die, drop me a mail if you want to talk more.
assume what you will, but we all know the saying .....
assume what you will, but we all know the saying .....
I never heard of EQ tuning until today. Unfortunately this is one of those first impressions I will never forget.
EDIT: my apologies to the moderators, I had this sitting on my computer and posted without reading Egan's last post. I agree completely as I posted earlier this is not the place. It was just frustrating to see Nate dragged into this the way he was.
Last edited by doubleurx; 05-03-2005 at 08:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS
I'm as qualified as you are.
Based on the complete lack of knock sensor activity, even when you claim you heard audible knock, I'm a bit skeptical that it was there during your datalogging sessions. So, you're attacking Nate's tune by claiming that there has been significant knock in the recent past. Are you saying that if you had tuned the car, that detonation would never have occured?
And yes, if I had tuned the car, it would have not experienced this ridiculous amount of knock unless there was a mechanical issue after the tune. In which case, if it had been brought to my attention, I would have done something about it and not simply dismissed it.
Again, you claim to have heard audible knock with absolutely no knock sensor activity, in a WRX with a catless 3" turboback? Sure pal. The dip in timing is quite obviously present, but it sure looks to me like it's there by design, not as a result of the ecu pulling timing after sensing unsafe conditions.
So you're accusing Nate of disabling or altering the learning ability of the ECU again? I stand by my assertion that the car did not detonate during either of the datalogs you took.
Did you just say that when the ECU calculates load above 4.0, it reads from a lower load cell? Or did you say that the fine learning table you showed us wasn't the same one that Nate put there?
I quite obviously used changed paramters to grossly exagerate how road dyno results can be tweaked to meet the desired results of the user. To suggest that a 10whp difference on a road dyno means anything is, again, ASININE. It is completely not repeatable. Even your stock road dyno showed significant difference from one run to the other, and that was presumably within minutes of each other. The point is, a road dyno graph can NOT be used as objective evidence in any way. To insinuate that Nate's tune on Keegan's car didn't make the power it should is twisting evidence to it's own ends. If you're suggesting that you can tune Keegan's car and make 215 whp on Nate's dyno, you're wrong.
The only thing clear is that you think you need to attack the work of other tuners in order to establish your own name. Nobody here (well, maybe one person now) wants to see you or anybody else fail in your attempts to become a professional tuner, but leave your competition out of it. Attacking a reputable and established shop like Subaru Specialists has cost you more potential business than it will ever gain.
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Originally Posted by Egan
Neither does you sticking your nose into it. This is an issue between Keegan and S-S (and to some extent Ed) and should have stayed that way. Everyone involved had their say and presented the facts as they saw them. There was nothing left for Ed or Keegan to respond to besides comments you interjected after the fact. Leaving the thread open only promotes arguments and personal attacks. We don't need this drama in here. It's not your fight, it's not Ali G's, and it's not anyone else's.
I'll leave the thread open, but I hope folks will let this drop as it is making all parties involved (especially the ones that shouldn't be) look bad.
I'll leave the thread open, but I hope folks will let this drop as it is making all parties involved (especially the ones that shouldn't be) look bad.
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Originally Posted by doubleurx
I never heard of EQ tuning until today. Unfortunately this is one of those first impressions I will never forget.
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Originally Posted by doubleurx
EDIT: my apologies to the moderators, I had this sitting on my computer and posted without reading Egan's last post. I agree completely as I posted earlier this is not the place. It was just frustrating to see Nate dragged into this the way he was.
Its always sad for a shop to lose a customer. I personally give Nate the benefit of a doubt because I've known him and the shop for quite some time and I believe him when he says it was unfortunately a miscommunication that has gone out of hand. I'm also willing to give Keegan and Ed the benefit of the doubt as they don't seem dishonest (as far as one can infer over the internet without actually meeting either person). Plenty of us have had different experiences with Nate and S-S and this is perhaps the worst I've seen. It sucks, but its bound to happen as the shop grows and matures to become part of the respected community. People get busy and what might have been an honest attempt to rectify a situtation can seem unacceptable to the other party. Its sad, but will happen.
I know the shop feels bad, but whats done is done. Nate had and has offered to retune, but I guess emotions ran high enough that this wasn't acceptible. I surely hope calibredwrx can find a solution he can be happy with. And if there is a real mechanical problem with his car, I hope it can be fixed.
Last edited by Nick Koan; 05-03-2005 at 09:08 PM.
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****...this is awsome.
Dude gets car tuned.
Isn't happy & won't/can't let tuner fix it.
Posts on SRICs home turf.
Ali G insults dude.
Cat fight breaks out.
Back & Forth for ****ing hours.
Tuner posts facts.
One mod locks thread.
Another re-opens it.
Mods fighting Mods.
topnotch & Killian are give each other handies while consuming B&J.
I thought this kinda **** only happened in BAIC
w00t
Dude gets car tuned.
Isn't happy & won't/can't let tuner fix it.
Posts on SRICs home turf.
Ali G insults dude.
Cat fight breaks out.
Back & Forth for ****ing hours.
Tuner posts facts.
One mod locks thread.
Another re-opens it.
Mods fighting Mods.
topnotch & Killian are give each other handies while consuming B&J.
I thought this kinda **** only happened in BAIC
w00t
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
I'm sorry if this makes a bad impression on you, but all I'm trying to do here is to stand up for the data I provided to a fellow subaru enthusiast. I never intended to bash Nate, but I was not going to let fear of that stand in my way of allerting someone to a problem with their car.
I would expect you to alert your client and the tuner, not help contribute to this mess on an open forum. I can understand the snow ball effect that has occurred, but when Nate asked you to stop, the professional courtesy to stop should have been afforded and the posts should have ended there.
My technical knowledge of tuning is painful at best. My comments strictly have to do with the manner in which Subaru Specialists was brought into this forum; accused of doing something wrong. In your own best interest, I would just stop posting, call Nate, take him up on his offer. Nate is an extremely level headed and talented person. My guess is it would end up a productive encounter rather than the confrontational one that has formed here.
Nick
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Originally Posted by Oaf
****...this is awsome.
Dude gets car tuned.
Isn't happy & won't/can't let tuner fix it.
Posts on SRICs home turf.
Ali G insults dude.
Cat fight breaks out.
Back & Forth for ****ing hours.
Tuner posts facts.
One mod locks thread.
Another re-opens it.
Mods fighting Mods.
topnotch & Killian are give each other handies while consuming B&J.
I thought this kinda **** only happened in BAIC
w00t
Dude gets car tuned.
Isn't happy & won't/can't let tuner fix it.
Posts on SRICs home turf.
Ali G insults dude.
Cat fight breaks out.
Back & Forth for ****ing hours.
Tuner posts facts.
One mod locks thread.
Another re-opens it.
Mods fighting Mods.
topnotch & Killian are give each other handies while consuming B&J.
I thought this kinda **** only happened in BAIC
w00t
if you wanted some too all you had to do was ask.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
****...this is awsome.
Dude gets car tuned.
Isn't happy & won't/can't let tuner fix it.
Posts on SRICs home turf.
Ali G insults dude.
Cat fight breaks out.
Back & Forth for ****ing hours.
Tuner posts facts.
One mod locks thread.
Another re-opens it.
Mods fighting Mods.
topnotch & Killian are give each other handies while consuming B&J.
I thought this kinda **** only happened in BAIC
w00t
Dude gets car tuned.
Isn't happy & won't/can't let tuner fix it.
Posts on SRICs home turf.
Ali G insults dude.
Cat fight breaks out.
Back & Forth for ****ing hours.
Tuner posts facts.
One mod locks thread.
Another re-opens it.
Mods fighting Mods.
topnotch & Killian are give each other handies while consuming B&J.
I thought this kinda **** only happened in BAIC
w00t
Dude I'm glad you're back.